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[Royal Dalton]

That was my first thought, but on second thoughts, it was a long time into FRWL before Bond meets Grant and similarly TMWTGG, TSWLM, others too.
We may well see Silva at large long before Bond does.

Yeah, that's true.

According to the IGN report, the London Underground scene happens at around the halfway point.

So, I suppose this scene would probably take place about twenty minutes, or so, before that. So, not all that far into the film, after all.

[007jamesbond]

I really that Bond will meet the main villian really fast in the film..as past film he only meet the villian near the second half or close to the end........meeting him in the 20 minutes in is awesome!

[MattofSteel]

Is it possible the Ghost city/Hashima stuff is the pretitles sequence? The 'falling' out or whatever happens that sets the plot in motion? Bond's sent into the deserted city on some Goldfinger-PTS-esque straight up spy mission, either assassination of a holed-up Silva or perhaps because someone/something else is hiding there? And it's here that Bond's believed by MI6 to be killed, etc?

[Royal Dalton]

It might be the PTS. But I think Bond must get 'killed' in Turkey, because Tonia Sotiropoulou's character helps him to escape when everybody thinks he's dead.

[Vauxhall]

It might be the PTS. But I think Bond must get 'killed' in Turkey, because Tonia Sotiropoulou's character helps him to escape when everybody thinks he's dead.

Agreed. From what we know, it looks like Bond's travelogue will be something like: Istanbul - London - Shanghai - Macau - Hashima - London - Glencoe - London.

Therefore, Silva will either only turn up halfway through the movie, or he'll purely appear in scenes with other characters before that point. Marlohe has said she shares some scenes with Bardem - so I imagine that the viewer will be introduced to Silva long before Bond meets him face-to-face (similar to CASINO ROYALE).

[Shrublands]

(similar to CASINO ROYALE).

Yes, or TMWTGG.

[Royal Dalton]

Well, we must see him break out of prison at some point.

I'm wondering now if that takes place in Turkey after the train sequence.

[Vauxhall]

Hashima Island would make sense as the location for an off-the-books secret prison, if Silva is being held covertly, having been sold up the river by M and MI6. This would also perhaps explain why Silva and Bond appear to know each other, and the circumstances of the betrayal might actually lead to some audience sympathy towards the "villain", which could be an interesting dynamic. I can't really think of any other reason why he'd be in Hashima, as it doesn't strike me as an obvious base.

If that's the case, perhaps Severine is the first person that Silva seeks help from after his escape (before she probably inevitably bites the dust) and this would square how they come to share scenes.

Alternatively, RD's correct and he breaks out in Turkey.

[x007AceOfSpades]

Hashima Island would make sense as the location for an off-the-books secret prison, if Silva is being held covertly, having been sold up the river by M and MI6. This would also perhaps explain why Silva and Bond appear to know each other, and the circumstances of the betrayal might actually lead to some audience sympathy towards the "villain", which could be an interesting dynamic. I can't really think of any other reason why he'd be in Hashima, as it doesn't strike me as an obvious base.

If that's the case, perhaps Severine is the first person that Silva seeks help from after his escape (before she probably inevitably bites the dust) and this would square how they come to share scenes.

Alternatively, RD's correct and he breaks out in Turkey.

Interesting, so then Is Silva a rogue agent gone terrorist or just straight up terrorist? I'm trying to piece the whole thing together myself, but I'm having a bit of complications haha.

[Royal Dalton]

Alternatively, RD's correct and he breaks out in Turkey.

Well, I'm only thinking it could be in Turkey because of that clapperboard with the co-ordinates (Scene 97).

They're looking at that computer display much later in the plot. After the China scenes, I think. So, I was wondering if that might be where Silva's prison is located.

I'm probably wrong, though (it wouldn't be the first time).

[Vauxhall]

Alternatively, RD's correct and he breaks out in Turkey.

Well, I'm only thinking it could be in Turkey because of that clapperboard with the co-ordinates (Scene 97).

You've got me! I must admit that's the anomaly I've been trying to ignore in my theories. That one's really caught me out.

[S K Y F A L L]

^ I'm positive you used the exact same reply to me in another thread.

It was in reference to something you said about Indy 4.

Well obviously, yeah. I'm just a bit confused as to why you said it in this thread, too?

I believe it was just when this thread was started and the ghost town conversation moved into here, anyway my bad.


Next, we walked through the Pinewood backlot where they had built an abandoned ghost town, which is meant to be a part of Hashima Island in Japan, the location where Bond first meets Silva in the movie, though we weren't told what the context of that meeting was.
I suppose this confirms that this scene is near the middle of the film? before the London foot chase?

[DamnCoffee]

I don't understand though. Bond randomly goes to Japan for one scene, in the middle of the movie? It just seems a bit strange for Bond to have a quick look in Japan for 10minutes then go back to London.

[S K Y F A L L]

Good point. This scene reminds of when Bond meets Janus in GE somewhat.

[Pussfeller]

That was my first thought, but on second thoughts, it was a long time into FRWL before Bond meets Grant and similarly TMWTGG, TSWLM, others too.
We may well see Silva at large long before Bond does.

Yeah, that's true.

According to the IGN report, the London Underground scene happens at around the halfway point.

So, I suppose this scene would probably take place about twenty minutes, or so, before that. So, not all that far into the film, after all.

I really that Bond will meet the main villian really fast in the film..as past film he only meet the villian near the second half or close to the end........meeting him in the 20 minutes in is awesome!

I've had the same impression, but I was curious as to whether it was really true. So I skimmed through the films to see just when the villains have been introduced to the audience and to Bond.

Out of 22 films, fifteen introduced their villain to the audience before the thirty-minute mark. Every villain except Blofeld appeared before the one-hour mark. Fourteen villains are introduced to the audience before Bond has his first encounter with them. In nine films, this gap is more than thirty minutes long, providing the villain with a lengthy independent arc that introduces the character and creates some dramatic distance between Bond and the audience.

DN - Dr No appears (vocally) at 0:40:00. Bond meets him at 1:27:00 (47 minutes later)
FRWL - Grant appears in the PTS. Bond meets him at 1:22:00 (80 minutes later)
GF - Goldfinger appears at 0:10:00.
TB - Largo appears at 0:8:00. Bond meets him at 0:50:00 (38 minutes later)
YOLT - Blofeld appears at 1:39:00.
OHMSS - Blofeld appears at 1:03:00.
DAF - Blofeld appears at 1:14:00.
LALD - Kananga appears in the PTS. Bond meets him (as Kananga) at 1:10:00 (70 minutes later)
TMWTGG - Scaramanga appears in the PTS. Bond meets him at 1:16:00 (75 minutes later)
TSWLM - Stromberg appears at 0:15:00. Bond meets him at 1:05:00 (50 minutes later)
MR - Drax appears at 0:15:00.
FYEO - Kristatos appears at 0:36:00.
OP - Kamal Khan appears at 0:20:00. Bond meets him at 0:30:00. (10 minutes later)
AVTAK - Zorin appears at 0:13:00. Bond meets him at 0:33:00 (20 minutes later)
TLD - Koskov appears at 0:11:00.
LTK - Sanchez appears in the PTS. Bond meets him at 1:08:00 (65 minutes later)
GE - Trevelyan appears in the PTS. He appears as Janus at 1:08:00 (65 minutes later)
TND - Carver appears at 0:20:00. Bond meets him at 0:30:00 (10 minutes later)
TWINE - Renard appears at 0:50:00. Bond meets him at 1:00:00 (10 minutes later)
DAD - Graves appears at 0:50:00. Bond meets him three minutes later.
CR - Le Chiffre appears at 0:08:00. Bond meets him at 1:09:00 (61 minutes later)
QOS - Greene appears at 0:23:00. Bond meets him at 0:59:00 (36 minutes later)

I would expect Skyfall to follow the usual non-Blofeld pattern. Silva will probably appear before the thirty-minute mark, and the odds are good that his first scene won't include Bond. This was the case in the last two films. The villains showed up pretty early, right on the heels of the PTS, but it was a while before they crossed paths with Bond.

[MattofSteel]

I hope for your sake Pussfeller, you copied and pasted that from somewhere and didn't just sit down and compile it firsthand

[Marketto007]

I hope for your sake Pussfeller, you copied and pasted that from somewhere and didn't just sit down and compile it firsthand

lol, tought the same.

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[Pussfeller]

Don't worry, Mattofsteel, I'm beyond hope. I actually enjoy this kind of thing. One of my more trivial hobbies is fan-subbing, for which I possess documents listing dialogues and the runtime elapsed at each line. (I have one document for the entire Bond series.) I knew by memory approximately when each event occurred, so I just consulted the document to determine the precise time mark. Now doesn't that sound like fun?

[Marketto007]

This sound that WE NEED THAT DOCUMENT too.

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[MattofSteel]

Years ago, I used to be able to name every episode of The X-files from season 1 through 5...in order. And I thought that was bad!

[Marketto007]

Well, I know almost 100% of the entire TWINE lines.

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