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[AgentX007]

I am currently watching the movies in order. Where does Never Say Never Again go in the movie order?

[Major Tallon]

I am currently watching the movies in order. Where does Never Say Never Again go in the movie order?

Right after "Octopussy."

[Pussfeller]

It always seems strange to me that NSNA came between OP and AVTAK. Something about it feels post-Moore, like it ought to have come out right in the middle of the eighties. On my DVD shelf, I file NSNA after AVTAK but before TLD, so that it forms an imaginary buffer between the Moore and Dalton eras. Does anyone else share this weirdness?

[glidrose]

It always seems strange to me that NSNA came between OP and AVTAK. Something about it feels post-Moore, like it ought to have come out right in the middle of the eighties. On my DVD shelf, I file NSNA after AVTAK but before TLD, so that it forms an imaginary buffer between the Moore and Dalton eras. Does anyone else share this weirdness?

Nope. But anytime anybody asks me to name the films I always forget NSNA until after I've said AVTAK.

[AgentX007]

I am really bad with initials. What does AVTAK stand for?

[Klaus_Hergesheimer]

A View To A Kill

[OmarB]

I am currently watching the movies in order. Where does Never Say Never Again go in the movie order?

It does not fit into the series because it was not made by EON. It's almost an alternate universe take on Bond. Kinda like DC Comics' multiple universes where the same characters exist in other dimensions, slightly different but still the same.

It is now being put out by EON now, but agail, it's like A DC character from Earth 1 meeting his counterpart from Earth 2. So it is Bond, not main continuity Bond, but still A Bond. Much older and just at that time encountering those events. As opposed to main continuity Bond who encountered those events in Thunderball at a much younger age earlier in his career.

[SecretAgentFan]

"It is now being put out by EON"?

[larrythefatcat]

"It is now being put out by EON now"?

I don't know exactly what that's supposed to mean either.

It's true that the rights to NSNA went to MGM in 1997, but EON isn't the distributor (or rights holder)... and I'm quite sure EON will proudly continue to never have anything to do with it whatsoever!


Oh, and to the OP: where did you put the original Casino Royale (1967) in your viewing order? (btw, shame on you if you don't count it as a James Bond film, but actually count NSNA!) If you're going chronologically it would be between Thunderball and YOLT.

And the 1954 Climax! version of Casino Royale would obviously go first!

Edited by larrythefatcat, 26 January 2012 - 08:10 PM.

[thecasinoroyale]

I'm one of those fans who can't, and will never, count NSNA or CR '67 as official or canon James Bond films at all. They are just films made to homage the idea of James Bond, and will not be on my list as Bond titles!

[OmarB]

"It is now being put out by EON"?

I meant mgm

[larrythefatcat]

I'm one of those fans who can't, and will never, count NSNA or CR '67 as official or canon James Bond films at all. They are just films made to homage the idea of James Bond, and will not be on my list as Bond titles!

I don't either, although I do enjoy a number of aspects of both films.

My point is merely that if you're going to count NSNA as Bond film you should also put CR '67 into the mix... it's only fair. I was, however, completely kidding about the inclusion of CR '54. Jimmy Bond (of the non-Woody-Allen variety)? Puh-lease!

[Major Tallon]

I'm one of those fans who can't, and will never, count NSNA or CR '67 as official or canon James Bond films at all. They are just films made to homage the idea of James Bond, and will not be on my list as Bond titles!

I don't either, although I do enjoy a number of aspects of both films.

My point is merely that if you're going to count NSNA as Bond film you should also put CR '67 into the mix... it's only fair. I was, however, completely kidding about the inclusion of CR '54. Jimmy Bond (of the non-Woody-Allen variety)? Puh-lease!

I prefer CR '54 to the '67 variety. Sure, Bond should be British, but this was the earliest adaptation, and it doesn't jar nearly so much as if they cast an American today. The story was presented fairly straight, much closer to the Fleming storyline than the '67 travesty, and now represents a film noir adaptation, in period, of Ian Fleming's first novel. So put CR '54 first in line, AgentX007. It's Bond!

[AgentX007]

I am currently watching the movies in order. Where does Never Say Never Again go in the movie order?

Right after "Octopussy."

How sure are you on this?

[Messervy]

I am currently watching the movies in order. Where does Never Say Never Again go in the movie order?

Nowhere

[AgentX007]

I am currently watching the movies in order. Where does Never Say Never Again go in the movie order?

Nowhere

I was told it would go after Octopussy.

[Messervy]

I am currently watching the movies in order. Where does Never Say Never Again go in the movie order?

Nowhere

I was told it would go after Octopussy.

I meant that as a joke, mainly. But, to be honest, I really do think it doesn't fit anywhere in the "official" Bond line, since it's a stand-alone.
It's a bit like if you wanted to know where 1967 David Niven's Casino Royale fitted.

[AgentX007]

I am currently watching the movies in order. Where does Never Say Never Again go in the movie order?

Nowhere

I was told it would go after Octopussy.

I meant that as a joke, mainly. But, to be honest, I really do think it doesn't fit anywhere in the "official" Bond line, since it's a stand-alone.
It's a bit like if you wanted to know where 1967 David Niven's Casino Royale fitted.

There was a version of Casino Royale before the one with Daniel Craig?

[larrythefatcat]

There's no real order other than the order in which the films were released chronologically. Sure, FRWL references Dr. No and sees the return of Sylvia Trench and Tracy Bond's headstone is seen in FYEO... but other than that there aren't any important plotlines that go from one movie to the next up until CR and QoS. The fact that NSNA isn't part of the EON series completely excludes it from any of those plotlines that could exist anyway.

Octopussy was first released in the middle of 1983 and NSNA in late 1983... so after OP it goes!


And AgentX007, if you'd have been paying attention (to this thread, if nothing else) you'd know that there are TWO earlier versions of CR.

Edited by larrythefatcat, 29 January 2012 - 03:19 PM.

[Messervy]

I am currently watching the movies in order. Where does Never Say Never Again go in the movie order?

Nowhere

I was told it would go after Octopussy.

I meant that as a joke, mainly. But, to be honest, I really do think it doesn't fit anywhere in the "official" Bond line, since it's a stand-alone.
It's a bit like if you wanted to know where 1967 David Niven's Casino Royale fitted.

There was a version of Casino Royale before the one with Daniel Craig?

Yes there was: http://en.wikipedia....yale_(1967_film)

[larrythefatcat]

I am currently watching the movies in order. Where does Never Say Never Again go in the movie order?

Nowhere

I was told it would go after Octopussy.

I meant that as a joke, mainly. But, to be honest, I really do think it doesn't fit anywhere in the "official" Bond line, since it's a stand-alone.
It's a bit like if you wanted to know where 1967 David Niven's Casino Royale fitted.

There was a version of Casino Royale before the one with Daniel Craig?

Yes there was: http://en.wikipedia....yale_(1967_film)

You mean, yes there were: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_%28Climax!%29