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[DominicGreene]

I mean Bond 23 HAS to be named SOMETHING, perhaps this rumor is true perhaps it isn't, we won't really know until EON tells us officially. And besides, this sort of thing has happened with Tomorrow Never Dies and Die Another Day, which were published in the same year they were produced. I personally don't mind the title Carte Blanche, it sounds elegant, but a lot of people are going to say the title wrong; me being Canadian I know it's pronounced Cart-eh Blah-ssh-ugh but the Americans will say Cart-ee Blan-ch!

[DamnCoffee]

I mean Bond 23 HAS to be named SOMETHING, perhaps this rumor is true perhaps it isn't, we won't really know until EON tells us officially. And besides, this sort of thing has happened with Tomorrow Never Dies and Die Another Day, which were published in the same year they were produced. I personally don't mind the title Carte Blanche, it sounds elegant, but a lot of people are going to say the title wrong; me being Canadian I know it's pronounced Cart-eh Blah-ssh-ugh but the Americans will say Cart-ee Blan-ch!

The main difference though, is that Tomorrow Never Dies and Die Another Day were movie tie ins. They were written especially to coincide with the movie being released. Carte Blanche is a stand alone novel.

[MajorB]

Would they do it if the plot that the were committed to was close to that of the novel Carte Blanche? Or maybe there are elements in the novel that they would like to incorporate.

Seems unlikely. I would think they'd either buy the book and film it (which they've never seemed interested in doing with non-Fleming books) or, much more probably, ignore it. With the film coming out almost 18 months after the book, it's not like the one could be seen as competing with the other. Anyway, the plot elements in CB (with exception of the villain's occupation) are pretty generic, so it seems doubtful that any similarities would be specific enough to be an issue.

[MajorB]

And it's now been officially denied.

[DaveBond21]

Oh, good, well there we go then.

[Captain Tightpants]

And it's now been officially denied.

I can't say that I'm surprised it's untrue. Anyone here with a shred of common sense could tell as much.

What I am surprised is that EON have issued a denial. Like I said yesterday, this isn't the first time someone (or thier agent) has put out a statement claiming a connection to the film. But it's usually a small-time actor, so I suppose EON thinks it's more trouble than it's worth to put out denials for every one of these. In this case, the story was picked up by half a dozen websites, many of which a lot of people trust - like IGN, Slash Film and Den of Geek. I guess EON wanted to nip this one in the bud.

Since this is so obviously untrue, I wonder if EON could maybe take some kind of action against Mihailovic and/or her publicist ...

[Matt_13]

Wow, EON actually made a press release over this? That's far more interesting than the denial itself. Clearly they want to establish a difference between this film and the Deaver novel. Hmm...

[DaveBond21]

And it's now been officially denied.

I can't say that I'm surprised it's untrue. Anyone here with a shred of common sense could tell as much.

Oh no. I think that means I don't even have a shred of common sense. I can hear DOCS on their way already.


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[smudge76]

To even try and base the film on what is really a poor researched novel would be suicide so i am not surprised they have issued the statement mainly to distance themselves from the novel.

[Captain Tightpants]

Wow, EON actually made a press release over this? That's far more interesting than the denial itself. Clearly they want to establish a difference between this film and the Deaver novel. Hmm...

Like I said, half a dozen websites picked up this story and ran with it. And some of the websites named have good reputations. EON obviously wanted to kill it before it started gaining momentum.

I like the way MI6 refused to name Mihailovic so that she wouldn't get any more coverage. Funnily enough, it's a very common name in Serbia.

Oh no. I think that means I don't even have a shred of common sense. I can hear DOCS on their way already.

No, it doesn't meant that at all. I was referring to the way things simply don't add up: despite being "asked" to compose the title theme/score the film, Jelena Mihailovic has no presence on the internet. The biggest reference to her being a chellist or some kind of performer is this news story. And despite claims that BOND 23 will be a straight adaptation of CARTE BLANCHE, filming is set to take place in India - a location not featured in the novel. There's probably half a dozen other things in the article that, taken individually, discredit its claims. Combined, the punch holes in the story that are big enough to drive a Death Star through.

If you were gullible enough to beleive this thinly-veiled PR grab, well, I really don't have any response to that.

[DaveBond21]

If you were gullible enough to beleive this thinly-veiled PR grab, well, I really don't have any response to that.

That would make a change.... .....

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

EDITED.

[Bucky]

i cant think of any movies that have more BS rumors than the bond films, a lot of the time started by people who just want to get their name known. they can be pretty entertaining in how rediculous they are and how seriously they are reported on.

[David Schofield]

There is, of course, a simple way to resolve this.

EON, just announce the title of the damn film!

Now it won't improve on the sun coming up in the morning, or the quality of my life, but it would end rumours like this.

And why not? OK, I know -all about the marketing of movies, but please, wherein lies the disadvanatge in not announcing the title now, or the advantage in waiting a few months? And QOS was a late announcement and it didn't improve the publicity nor the public's perception of it. And as for the late timing and impact on the public of the Brosnan titles....

Unless EON can't decide on a title just yet. Which is quite dispiriting - just use one of the remaining Flemings, why don't ya? - and which is why silly ideas like this will continue.

I mean, EON, is the announcement of the title of the new James Bond film and its timing THAT earth-shattering???? a

[Captain Tightpants]

EON, just announce the title of the damn film!

What if they don't have a title?

[David Schofield]

EON, just announce the title of the damn film!

What if they don't have a title?

See para 5 in my post.

[Skudor]

Where is G Grover?

[SecretAgentFan]

There is, of course, a simple way to resolve this.

EON, just announce the title of the damn film!

Now it won't improve on the sun coming up in the morning, or the quality of my life, but it would end rumours like this.

And why not? OK, I know -all about the marketing of movies, but please, wherein lies the disadvanatge in not announcing the title now, or the advantage in waiting a few months? And QOS was a late announcement and it didn't improve the publicity nor the public's perception of it. And as for the late timing and impact on the public of the Brosnan titles....

Unless EON can't decide on a title just yet. Which is quite dispiriting - just use one of the remaining Flemings, why don't ya? - and which is why silly ideas like this will continue.

I mean, EON, is the announcement of the title of the new James Bond film and its timing THAT earth-shattering???? a

I understand your impatience. But if it´s not a wrong title, it´s the wrong singer of the title song or the wrong supporting actor or whatever.

Bond films just attract attention - and any "Grover" wants to attach himself to it, no matter what. And thanks to the wonderful research quality of today´s journalists... well, they really print anything these days.

[Diabolik]

Eon has now denied "Carte Blanche" will be the source material for Bond 23. Too bad. The producers need to pull their heads out and stop using inept "original" ideas from Purvis & Wade, and start using the best of the post-Fleming literary Bond stories. CR was a reminder that using the literary story as a source works so well! Carte Blanche, No Deals Mr. Bond, Brokenclaw and the Benson Bonds could be great source material!

Edited by Diabolik, 31 August 2011 - 04:21 PM.

[Syndicate]

It good that Eon came out and said that Bond 23 is NOT called CARTE BLANCHE. To a certain point it is getting very stupid and dumb having junk news and so on. I would hope someone kill and destory that world. So that there be no more stuff like US Weekly, Star and so on.

[Captain Tightpants]

The producers need to pull their heads out and stop using inept "original" ideas from Purvis & Wade, and start using the best of the post-Fleming literary Bond stories.

Have you actually read CARTE BLANCHE? It's not exactly the strongest novel in the world. All the villains break character in the third act, the big twist at the end felt tacked-on, and do you really want to see a villain explaining the four kinds of rubbish to Bond on-screen?

Also, the "inept original" ideas you are talking about don't come from Purvis and Wade. The base idea from the story usually comes from Michael G. Wilson.

[Diabolik]

The producers need to pull their heads out and stop using inept "original" ideas from Purvis & Wade, and start using the best of the post-Fleming literary Bond stories.

Have you actually read CARTE BLANCHE? It's not exactly the strongest novel in the world. All the villains break character in the third act, the big twist at the end felt tacked-on, and do you really want to see a villain explaining the four kinds of rubbish to Bond on-screen?

Also, the "inept original" ideas you are talking about don't come from Purvis and Wade. The base idea from the story usually comes from Michael G. Wilson.

I think your pants are so tight they're cutting off the circulation to your brain! Next thing you'll be saying is that you like the Purvis/Wade scripts.

[Captain Tightpants]

I think your pants are so tight they're cutting off the circulation to your brain! Next thing you'll be saying is that you like the Purvis/Wade scripts.

While flawed, the basic idea behind THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH is actually a very innovative one. Staging a nuclear accident to seize control of the West's oil future is right up there with Orlov's plot to force a NATO withdrawal from West Germany in OCTOPUSSY. While TWINE is generally derided among fans, you can hardly blame Purvis and Wade - it is well-documented how Michael Apted commissioned script re-writes ... from his wife. The original TWINE script played up the mystery of who was ultimately responsible. The revised script abanonded that and focused on Bond's relationship with Elektra.

DIE ANOTHER DAY seems to have suffered the same fate. There are a few scenes that are noticeably better than the rest of the film (and some excellent self-referntial dialogue exchanges), and while I cannot prove it, I suspect Lee Tamahori meddled with the script. I also suspect EON told Purvis and Wade to reference as many films as possible, which tied their hands at little.

As for CASINO ROYALE, everyone credits Paul Haggis with "wriitng all the good bits". But Haggis was a script doctor, which meant he only made minor tweaks to the dialogue and actions. The entire scene in the sinking house was his idea, which is why he got a screenwriting credit.

Ad finally, purvis and Wade did not write QUANTUM OF SOLACE at all. They only did the story, which is a general overview of what happens. Even that was based on an idea by Michael G Wilson. Paul Haggis was the only person to write the script.

Purvis and Wade are not the best screenwriters in the world. But they're certainly by no means the worst, either. They just keep getting shafted by drictors and producers, and then they have to suffer the ignomity of having their name on the script when the changes are made.

[David Schofield]

While I wouldn't waste any celluloid on CARTE BALNCHE - a bad idea, even worse in its finished form - early Gardner certainly holds much potential for the filmakers.

I for one have never understood EON's snobbery about not touching them in the past. They've hardly had their own script writers of outstanding quality, have they?

The Benson's are merely the unfilmed adventures of Pierce Brosnan's James Bond so they are pretty useless for adaptation; Craig-Bond is vastly different to Brozza-Bond, as we all know.

A touched-up, modernised FOR SPECIAL SERVICES, for example, might just provide Craigy with the angst-free Bond romp he probably needs at this stage of his tenure.

[Captain Tightpants]

I for one have never understood EON's snobbery about not touching them in the past. They've hardly had their own script writers of outstanding quality, have they?

It's probably because they don't want to dilute Ian Fleming's creation by adapting another author's work.

[David Schofield]

I for one have never understood EON's snobbery about not touching them in the past. They've hardly had their own script writers of outstanding quality, have they?

It's probably because they don't want to dilute Ian Fleming's creation by adapting another author's work.

Well, an argument could easily be made that EON have always been quite comfortable with 'diluting Fleming's creation', going back as far as Connery and reaching its zenith with the ageing Rog. Does adapting another author's novel make that worse?

No, I think its due to the - misguided - poor opinion EON have of the continuation writers they haven't touched them, IMO.

[larrythefatcat]

Alright... I've seen A SERBIAN FILM and if Bond 23 ends up being anything like that I'm done with the franchise.

Seriously that movie's sick... kinda HOT, but sick.

(I'm just kidding about the hot thing, it's totally disgusting)

[Captain Tightpants]

Alright... I've seen A SERBIAN FILM and if Bond 23 ends up being anything like that I'm done with the franchise.

Have you not been reading this thread? BOND 23 is not CARTE BLANCHE. There is no filming planned for Serbia. And even if it was, nobody from the BOND 23 production crew is even remotely connected to the production crew of A SERBIAN FILM. So you have nothing to worry about.

[Zorin Industries]

The 23rd Bond film is not called CARTE BLANCHE.

The 23rd Bond film is not featuring some desperate media starved musician as its title crooner.

The 23rd Bond film has/had a title. Whether it is the one that is finally used is another matter. These things evolve and change. And in the same way ROYALE and SOLACE had specific agendas and nuances, BOND XXIII might well shake things up a bit too.

[SecretAgentFan]

The 23rd Bond film is not called CARTE BLANCHE.

The 23rd Bond film is not featuring some desperate media starved musician as its title crooner.

The 23rd Bond film has a title. Whether it is the one that is finally used is another matter. And in the same way ROYALE and SOLACE had specific agendas and nuances, BOND XXIII might well shake things up a bit too.

Now that last part really gets my curiosity going. Any chance of lifting the veil a tiny bit more, Zorin?