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#121 Loomis

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:15 PM




But I think the particular direction of CR and QOS could have well been a different one - had Cavill come out ahead of Craig. I don't think it's a given that the product had to be such a marvellous film as CR turned out to be (despite still having its own problems), and obviously Eon was not so sure about their own courage, or the tacked on action pieces wouldn't have been necessary and the QOS concept would have been developed during CR. I think CR with Henry Cavill would have been an entirely different film, despite the same director and a largely similar script and cast.


Certainly, a Cavill film would have felt very different. With Craig at least you get a hybrid, compromise Bond; a world-weary looking man of the world behaving like an arrogant youth and talking the kind of rubbish - see particularly the Vesper train scene - only an youthful idiot would emote. None of this sits well with Craig, at his best when the "Bond before he was Bond" crap isn't around: the meeting with Mathis, the card games, the post-game meal with Vesper, etc

Clearly, EON had a script which really was intended for a young Bond, Cavill or someone else like him. Whether there wasn't time to remove these references when Craig was cast, who knows? But it makes you wonder how much of a dead cert Craig's casting was and whether the idea of going with a much younger actor wasn't what EON had in mind before chickening out at the last minute...

And yes, the more one watches CR, the more out of place and uneccessary the action pieces before Montenegro are. And, of course, both the Madagascar and Miami airport scenes do little to differentiate indesctructible Craig-Bond from the equally ludicrous Brosnan-Bond.


David, I have some sympathy with your observations on Craig ("a world-weary looking man of the world behaving like an arrogant youth", etc.), and, yes, I'm pretty certain that the CASINO ROYALE screenplay was originally geared very much towards a twentysomething Bond.... but I suspect that if the film had been made with Cavill it would have overflowed with the sort of teenage angst more suitable for TWILIGHT.

In which case, I think Craig's "hybrid" Bond ended up saving the film, because at least he also injected some masculinity, toughness and world-weariness that I simply cannot imagine Cavill or any of the other young hopefuls being able to summon.

Sure, there are some "youthful idiot" aspects to Craig's Bond that seem a little awkward.... but he also brings plenty of Conneryesque alpha male-ness to the table. Without him, I suspect that CASINO ROYALE would have overdosed on youthful idiocy and embarrassing "emotion".

#122 David Schofield

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:25 PM





But I think the particular direction of CR and QOS could have well been a different one - had Cavill come out ahead of Craig. I don't think it's a given that the product had to be such a marvellous film as CR turned out to be (despite still having its own problems), and obviously Eon was not so sure about their own courage, or the tacked on action pieces wouldn't have been necessary and the QOS concept would have been developed during CR. I think CR with Henry Cavill would have been an entirely different film, despite the same director and a largely similar script and cast.


Certainly, a Cavill film would have felt very different. With Craig at least you get a hybrid, compromise Bond; a world-weary looking man of the world behaving like an arrogant youth and talking the kind of rubbish - see particularly the Vesper train scene - only an youthful idiot would emote. None of this sits well with Craig, at his best when the "Bond before he was Bond" crap isn't around: the meeting with Mathis, the card games, the post-game meal with Vesper, etc

Clearly, EON had a script which really was intended for a young Bond, Cavill or someone else like him. Whether there wasn't time to remove these references when Craig was cast, who knows? But it makes you wonder how much of a dead cert Craig's casting was and whether the idea of going with a much younger actor wasn't what EON had in mind before chickening out at the last minute...

And yes, the more one watches CR, the more out of place and uneccessary the action pieces before Montenegro are. And, of course, both the Madagascar and Miami airport scenes do little to differentiate indesctructible Craig-Bond from the equally ludicrous Brosnan-Bond.


David, I have some sympathy with your observations on Craig ("a world-weary looking man of the world behaving like an arrogant youth", etc.), and, yes, I'm pretty certain that the CASINO ROYALE screenplay was originally geared very much towards a twentysomething Bond.... but I suspect that if the film had been made with Cavill it would have overflowed with the sort of teenage angst more suitable for TWILIGHT.

In which case, I think Craig's "hybrid" Bond ended up saving the film, because at least he also injected some masculinity, toughness and world-weariness that I simply cannot imagine Cavill or any of the other young hopefuls being able to summon.

Sure, there are some "youthful idiot" aspects to Craig's Bond that seem a little awkward.... but he also brings plenty of Conneryesque alpha male-ness to the table. Without him, I suspect that CASINO ROYALE would have overdosed on youthful idiocy and embarrassing "emotion".


Agree that the Craig-CR we got would have been better than a Cavill-CR in all probability, the unrealistic compromises made not with standing. When Craig is allowed his head, when there is no need to reference "Bond before he was Bond", he is ideal in the role. Of course, no Bond picture is perfect, but I do believe that had CR been clensed of the Cavill-youthful emotion hangovers and just let Craig run as a 38 year old experienced agent - whether new to the secret service or not - it would have improved it.

And what would it have taken? A slight re-writing of Vesper - dropping of some of the embarrassingly silly Bond-Vesper dialogue and replacing it with stuff more becoming of successful 30 somethings. And Dench-as-the-paranoid-Mother-M would have had to go. But that would have been no bad thing, would it?

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 09:49 AM

I'd agree that Craig was probably miscast as the Bond written in the script: he's clearly a young agent, as you guys say. But luckily no-one noticed and he was so good that it made the film!

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 10:41 AM

I can understand him turning it down at first. Craig is a really good actor w/ some memorable cult roles under his belt and at that point it would be hard for an actor like him to take the films seriously.

Sure, the films were great in my opinion, but they were more about fun and over-the-top excitement as opposed to an edgy, character-driven thriller like Casino Royale. Quantum of Solace wasn't as good, but not every film can be a series classic unfortunately.

Bond 23 seems to be shaping up to be more like CR with a few more classic elements thrown in.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 04:53 PM

Well I just wanted to follow up on this thread (since I’m the one who started it). It seems as if we have come with Mr. Craig’s view on Bond:

I’m incredibly proud and lucky to be in the position I’m in here.”


Here’s the entire article:
http://spinoff.comic...wet-james-bond/

#126 Iceskater101

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 05:25 PM

Yeah well going back to that Entertainment Weekly article, that was a bad article because they kept asking about their personal lives and Daniel Craig got mad, obviously he would! Anyway, Die Another Day was not that good so if Daniel Craig didn't want to take the role of James that is understandable.