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[Cornbread17]

Digital is a process I don not care for, as most of it looks really bad, but Zombieland was shot rather well, but I wish they'd use film for the most part.

[archer1949]

Roger Deakins is one of the (if not THE) best cameramen working today. He must know something I don't regarding digital, because it has always looked either too shiny and artificial or just plain cheap. But if he can give this movie the same look he gave to Fargo or The Assasination of Jesse James, I'm cool.

[JackUnion]

Digital is fine and cheaper. And it can look stunning if you have A. a Good Cinematographer who knows how digital works and B. a great post crew, namely Color Correct and Online Finishing. Any look is achievable with the necessary amount of time and money. I do still like film for certain aesthetics but digital's ability will surpass that if it hasn't already.

PS if you don't already know..even if it's shot on film...it's still going through a DI (Digital Intermediate) process before post begins. So even though it's shot that way doesn't mean the end product will still retain the film quality. With less and less film-outs for distribution being done...it's all digital in the end really.

Edited by JackUnion, 25 June 2011 - 03:41 AM.

[XXX]

Hurray! Digital is the way to go! Now if we can only get away from those awful close-up and mid-shots in QOS and give us some beautiful vistas!

Oh, and don't cut it into 12frame snippets in action scenes.

[univex]

IGN´s panel footage from Deakins new film InTime
http://uk.ign.com/vi...-footage?show=H
Looks awesome if you ask me, and that escape in the E-Type Jag makes me wish they´d do something similar with the old DB5

[Jump James]

You learn somthIng new everyday! Fascinating reading over this thread.

[Matt_13]

I think I'm most excited about seeing the way Deakins shoots this film. I'm looking forward to seeing the first frames of Bond 23 more than anything else.

[univex]

I think I'm most excited about seeing the way Deakins shoots this film. I'm looking forward to seeing the first frames of Bond 23 more than anything else.

Hey Matt, you´ve been here long time so you know the game, can you imagine the rush those first pictures will produce here? Also, can you imagine seeing the documentary pieces or blogs from these people? The interviews with Deakins and Mendes will be fascinating right?

[Cornbread17]

I would say Deakins would be the best DP the series ever had, besting the work of Ted Moore, Michael Reed and Claude Renoir, regardless if it is shot digitally or not. I just hope the script is as good as Craig says it is.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

I would say Deakins would be the best DP the series ever had, besting the work of Ted Moore, Michael Reed and Claude Renoir, regardless if it is shot digitally or not.

We'll see, but there is certainly stiff competition from previous D.O.P's in the series, one of whom is Freddie Young.

[univex]

I would say Deakins would be the best DP the series ever had, besting the work of Ted Moore, Michael Reed and Claude Renoir, regardless if it is shot digitally or not.

We'll see, but there is certainly stiff competition from previous D.O.P's in the series, one of whom is Freddie Young.

YOLT right? I think the man was an OBE by the end of his days. Sir Freddie was genious, did Lawrence of Arabia and Zhivago and no one can beat those David Lean classic epics. We can only hope Deakins rises to that level of clarity. But he has the chops for it.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

I would say Deakins would be the best DP the series ever had, besting the work of Ted Moore, Michael Reed and Claude Renoir, regardless if it is shot digitally or not.

We'll see, but there is certainly stiff competition from previous D.O.P's in the series, one of whom is Freddie Young.

YOLT right? I think the man was an OBE by the end of his days. Sir Freddie was genious, did Lawrence of Arabia and Zhivago and no one can beat those David Lean classic epics. We can only hope Deakins rises to that level of clarity. But he has the chops for it.

Yeah Young was a genius with what he did in the sixties and for Bond. A lesser camerman and the interior of YOLT could have spelled disaster on film. I certainly have high hopes for Deakins and Mendes will no doubt encourage the best from him.

[The Shark]

I would say Deakins would be the best DP the series ever had, besting the work of Ted Moore, Michael Reed and Claude Renoir, regardless if it is shot digitally or not.

We'll see, but there is certainly stiff competition from previous D.O.P's in the series, one of whom is Freddie Young.

Don't forget Jean Tournier. IMHO, his work on MOONRAKER betters Renoir's on SPY by a fair margin.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

Don't forget Jean Tournier. IMHO, his work on MOONRAKER betters Renoir's on SPY by a fair margin.

I don't know who is better to be honest, but Tournier definitely did fine work for Moonraker.

[univex]

Yeah, he´s joining the most prestigious of lists. Even Michael Reed did well in OHMSS. I only hope Deakins brings life and colour to it. Casino Royale was gorgeous to look at, QOS was dry, as dry as Bond´s martini. Deakins is known for not paning much and for steady gorgeous and detailed shots. So, one can only hope.

Edited by univex, 28 July 2011 - 11:38 PM.

[The Shark]

Casino Royale was gorgeous to look at, QOS was dry, as dry as Bond´s martini.

Don't agree with that. They oversaturated the digital intermediate, giving an ugly look to the scenes in Miami and the Casino. QOS had some terrific shots by Shaeffer. One only wishes they lasted longer.

[univex]

Casino Royale was gorgeous to look at, QOS was dry, as dry as Bond´s martini.

Don't agree with that. They oversaturated the digital intermediate, giving an ugly look to the scenes in Miami and the Casino. QOS had some terrific shots by Shaeffer. One only wishes they lasted longer.

I admit my opinion would be rather different if the shots in QOS lasted a bit longer, some come to mind as being quite terrific as you say Shark. I know it all comes down to what they do in the cutting room, editing is the definitive process of film making, like Spielberg once said. But all together I think Bond23 will be a very different animal.

[Matt_13]

Quantum has some beautiful frames, with almost every shot presented at a genuinely interesting and stylish angle. The smash cutting keeps a majority of them from really registering, I'm afraid. Nevertheless, I'd say Quantum is the most stylish Bond film since the Gilbert years, at least in terms of the cinematography.

[DamnCoffee]

Agreed. I thought Quantum of Solace had brilliant cinematography. There's some lovely shots, just like you said, can't register due to the bad editing.

[univex]

I'd say Quantum is the most stylish Bond film since the Gilbert years, at least in terms of the cinematography.

That´s true. Style, wise QOS was fantastic - it had an interesting crew. Damned editing ruined what could have been a very memorable entry in the cannon. Still like it, just don´t love it. Well, let´s not turn this into a QOS discussion thread I´m very very interested to know what will Deakins bring to the project. What is he known for, style wise?

Edited by univex, 29 July 2011 - 01:11 PM.

[quantumofsolace]

Deakins, plus now the news of the return of Inglis and Begg is excellent. Should look great.

[talos7]

last night I watched How to Train Your Dragon. I love this movie. In watching the credits I was suprised to see that Deakins was a consultant on the film. I did a little more looking and found that he has advised on other animated films including Rango. When I first saw HtTYD in the theater I commented how much I loved the look of the movie. It's a beautiful film. The same is true for Rango. I have faith in anything in which this guy is involved.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Did anybody else notice this, towards the end of the article?

Inglis is reacquainting himself with Agent 007 as he is currently working on the tentatively titled Bond 23 (2012) being helmed by Sam Mendes (American Beauty), lensed by Roger Deakins (True Grit) and production designed by Dennis Gassner (Bugsy). (Italics mine)

I didn't know this! Is this old news, or is it new news that just happened to get buried at the end of the article?

[DamnCoffee]

You didn't know that Deakins was the cinematographer, Mendes was directing and Gassner was the production designer?

[Matt_13]

Hmm...I don't remember there being confirmation that Gassner was involved, was there? That might be new. Not sure, though.

[Mr. Blofeld]

You didn't know that Deakins was the cinematographer, Mendes was directing and Gassner was the production designer?

I knew the first two, but I didn't know that Gassner had gotten back involved; it wasn't even part of the Main Site Newsfeed!

[blueman]

The Inglis piece mentions Gassner back right at the end. Yippee!

[007jamesbond]

How good is Roger Deakin? Is he the best in the business? When the last time we have someone that is brilliant like him?

[TCK]

Roger Deakins

The Shawshank redemption (1994)
9.2/10 on IMDB (best IMDB film)
Academy award for best cinematography (nominated)
American society of cinematographers award for outstanding achievement in cinematography in theatrical releases (wins)

Fargo (1996)
8.3/10 on IMDB
Academy award for best cinematography (nominated)
American society of cinematographers award for outstanding achievement in cinematography in theatrical releases (nominated)
BAFTA award for best cinematography (nominated)

Kundun (1997)
7.1/10 on IMDB
Academy award for best cinematography (nominated)
American society of cinematographers award for outstanding achievement in cinematography in theatrical releases (nominated)

O brother, where art thou? (2000)
7.8/10 on IMDB
Academy award for best cinematography (nominated)
American society of cinematographers award for outstanding achievement in cinematography in theatrical releases (nominated)
BAFTA award for best cinematography (nominated)

The man who wasn't there (2001)
7.7/10 on IMDB
Academy award for best cinematography (nominated)
American society of cinematographers award for outstanding achievement in cinematography in theatrical releases (wins)
BAFTA award for best cinematography (wins)

The assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford (2007)
7.7/10 on IMDB
Academy award for best cinematography (nominated)
American society of cinematographers award for outstanding achievement in cinematography in theatrical releases (nominated)

No country for old men (2007)
8.2/10 on IMDB
Academy award for best cinematography (nominated)
American society of cinematographers award for outstanding achievement in cinematography in theatrical releases (nominated)
BAFTA award for best cinematography (wins)

The reader (2008)
7.7/10 on IMDB
Academy award for best cinematography (nominated)
American society of cinematographers award for outstanding achievement in cinematography in theatrical releases (nominated)

Revolutionary road (2008)
7.5/10 on IMDB
American society of cinematographers award for outstanding achievement in cinematography in theatrical releases (nominated)

True grit (2010)
7.9/10 on IMDB
Academy award for best cinematography (nominated)
American society of cinematographers award for outstanding achievement in cinematography in theatrical releases (nominated)
BAFTA award for best cinematography (wins)

And Roger Deakins will receive the 2011 ASC lifetime achievement award.

Two films in the IMDB top 250 :
1 - The Shawshank redemption (1994)
126 - No country for old men (2007)

A few other films :
The company men (2010)
6.8/10 on IMDB
A serious man (2009)
7.1/10 on IMDB
Doubt (2008)
7.7/10 on IMDB
In the valley of Elah (2007)
7.4/10 on IMDB
Jarhead (2005)
7.1/10 on IMDB
The hurricane (1999)
7.4/10 on IMDB
The hudsucker proxy (1994)
7.4/10 on IMDB
The secret garden (1993)
7.2/10 on IMDB
The long walk home (1990)
7.2/10 on IMDB
1984 (1984)
7.1/10 on IMDB

Don't worry.

[Robinson]

Thread bump. I wanted to share an article that deals with the so-called "death of film."

http://nofilmschool....er-exaggerated/

With many productions shooting 3D, filmmakers are finding it hard to operate 2 film cameras in sync for 3D productions.

It's not just film cameras and film that are threatened with extinction, it's also videotape. The tsunami in Japan destroyed one of Sony's videotape manufacturing plants. What's the big deal? The plant manufactured HDCam and HDCam SR tapes that are used by film, television and news productions. Folks were scrambling for HDSR tape stock that was being sold at inflated prices on ebay and other outlets.

Economics is going to trump artistry. Costs have to be kept down and this is why even Bond is going digital.