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[Bryce (003)]

I agree with Bryce....

Imagine that....

Had a nice glass of merlot the other night and you came to mind.

[waslah]

QoS has certainly grown on me. It's been running on my local movie channels here and I caught it again the other morning.

I did a little experiment a year ago or so. As an editor, I just blended it with CR.

It became the perfect four hour/six act Bond epic. It even turned around a few friends who were let down or didn't like QoS.

I took all of CR up to the end. At the "Bond, James Bond" I cut right to the opening shot of QoS and negated the title credits sequence. It actually rolls along quite fab.

Interesting indeed. I've always thought that QoS is a movie that could, with the right person and talent involved, be edited into the much better movie that I think exists beneath some of the muddled editing and incomprehensible and on occasion completely unneeded action sequences. If you could some how merge some of the emotion from Casino Royale into Quantum of Solace - emotion the movie tries desperately to achieve itself but never QUITE attains in my opinion - and quiet the film down a little it would be superb.

[TheREAL008]

I wouldn't call it a feral Bond film, but QOS does have a knack of gripping your attention by the throat and not really letting go until the very end.

Will it age well? Yes. Having recently re-watched it my own opinion of it (half good and half bad) is swaying alittle more over to good. Even the theme song which I loathed seems quite alright now.

The only bad thing about QOS being is that watching it, you can tell the movie suffers from the writers strike of '08. Clearly there should have been more of a script and plot but the film does play to it's weakness as well as it's strengths. All in all, it was nicely done.

[Capsule in Space]

horrible casting (i.e. Craig as Bond),

Netgeek, is that you???

Is "Netgeek" a name someone uses on forums? No, that isn't me. I don't have the experience, nor the ability, with the Internet to gloss myself "Netgeek". Ask Jim, I couldn't even get my signature image to work right, and I am still unsure if it is right. That's after taking about fifteen minutes trying upload the image in the first place.

Haha, this post of mine has a -2 rating.

I am curious why. Possible reasons:

1. Because I am not Netgeek.
2. Because people think I am Netgeek.
3. Because I am Capsule in Space.
4. Because it took me fifteen minutes to post a signature image that was ultimately rejected anyway.
5. Some other reason I didn't consider.

[jaguar007]

horrible casting (i.e. Craig as Bond),

Netgeek, is that you???

Is "Netgeek" a name someone uses on forums? No, that isn't me. I don't have the experience, nor the ability, with the Internet to gloss myself "Netgeek". Ask Jim, I couldn't even get my signature image to work right, and I am still unsure if it is right. That's after taking about fifteen minutes trying upload the image in the first place.

Haha, this post of mine has a -2 rating.

I am curious why. Possible reasons:

1. Because I am not Netgeek.
2. Because people think I am Netgeek.
3. Because I am Capsule in Space.
4. Because it took me fifteen minutes to post a signature image that was ultimately rejected anyway.
5. Some other reason I didn't consider.

I don't know why that post of yours got -2, but I gave you a +1 on your last post to try to help off set it. Some may want to give you a - based of some other posts, but I don't know why they would for that post saying you are not netgeek?????

[Matt_13]

Watched it last night. It's definitely my favorite of Craig's two. There isn't really a moment where the film drags, the action sequences (while plentiful) are realistically short, and the tone is consistent, as is the character of Bond. It also has some of my favorite locations and I love the cinematography. The editing doesn't bother me in the slightest, hell this time I didn't even notice it. Really visceral experience that I know we won't get again. I think it could be my favorite of them all. James Bond is contemporary cool in this one. Good stuff.

[Bucky]

Watched it last night. It's definitely my favorite of Craig's two. There isn't really a moment where the film drags, the action sequences (while plentiful) are realistically short, and the tone is consistent, as is the character of Bond. It also has some of my favorite locations and I love the cinematography. The editing doesn't bother me in the slightest, hell this time I didn't even notice it. Really visceral experience that I know we won't get again. I think it could be my favorite of them all. James Bond is contemporary cool in this one. Good stuff.

Agreed 100%

I feel that there is an energy in Quantum of Solace that is not in any of the other films in the series.

[Biggy1954]

QoS will age very well.

I don't think it is going to age well because there is nothing that stands out or is truly memorable. Bond films are often remembered because they have things that stand out, which people can easily recall; such as the aston martin in Goldfinger, the lotus in The Spy Who Loved Me, Japan in You Only Live Twice, the briefcase in From Russia With Love, or the voodoo in Live and Let Die. This just isn't the case with Quantum because it has nothing that is easy to remember, at least for the average film goer.

Quantum also copies from other films such as Bond leaving Greene out in the desert like Clint Eastwood left Jack Cassidy in the desert in The Eiger Sanction (1975), or Fields being covered in oil like Jill Masterson covered in gold paint in Goldfinger. This makes Quantum unoriginal. The scenes that Quantum of Solace copy from such as the ones in Goldfinger and The Eiger Sanction were more interesting in those earlier pictures than they are in Quantum. Quantum feels kind of dull as a result.

[Bucky]

QoS will age very well.

I don't think it is going to age well because there is nothing that stands out or is truly memorable. Bond films are often remembered because they have things that stand out, which people can easily recall; such as the aston martin in Goldfinger, the lotus in The Spy Who Loved Me, Japan in You Only Live Twice, the briefcase in From Russia With Love, or the voodoo in Live and Let Die. This just isn't the case with Quantum because it has nothing that is easy to remember, at least for the average film goer.

Quantum also copies from other films such as Bond leaving Greene out in the desert like Clint Eastwood left Jack Cassidy in the desert in The Eiger Sanction (1975), or Fields being covered in oil like Jill Masterson covered in gold paint in Goldfinger. This makes Quantum unoriginal. The scenes that Quantum of Solace copy from such as the ones in Goldfinger and The Eiger Sanction were more interesting in those earlier pictures than they are in Quantum. Quantum feels kind of dull as a result.

I disagree with that. The Tosca sequence in QOS is one of my favorites from all of the Bond films, it was mesmerizing.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

QoS will age very well.

I don't think it is going to age well because there is nothing that stands out or is truly memorable. Bond films are often remembered because they have things that stand out, which people can easily recall; such as the aston martin in Goldfinger, the lotus in The Spy Who Loved Me, Japan in You Only Live Twice, the briefcase in From Russia With Love, or the voodoo in Live and Let Die. This just isn't the case with Quantum because it has nothing that is easy to remember, at least for the average film goer.

Quantum also copies from other films such as Bond leaving Greene out in the desert like Clint Eastwood left Jack Cassidy in the desert in The Eiger Sanction (1975), or Fields being covered in oil like Jill Masterson covered in gold paint in Goldfinger. This makes Quantum unoriginal. The scenes that Quantum of Solace copy from such as the ones in Goldfinger and The Eiger Sanction were more interesting in those earlier pictures than they are in Quantum. Quantum feels kind of dull as a result.

I disagree with that. The Tosca sequence in QOS is one of my favorites from all of the Bond films, it was mesmerizing.

But you're missing his point. He's saying that the general moviegoer will not going to remember QOS, because no image of that film had a big impact in them, unlike what has happened with more famous Bond movies like GF, TB, TSWLM or even CR. I mean the golden girl, the jetpack, the Union Jack parachute, and Bond staring from the sea at Solange (image that was even recreated in an ice cream); are part of our popular culture.

Edited by Mr. Arlington Beech, 18 March 2011 - 04:55 PM.

[blueman]

Car chase.

Credits.

Rooftop chase.

Knife fight.

Tosca.

Showdown at La Perla and Greene's demise.

Coda with Yusef.

Not only are these memorable, but well done. Contrast to other bits of recent Bonds, these stick out more, at least for me: the CR "set piece" action sequences were far too long although the torture sequence is very memorable. Nothing in DAD or TWINE sticks out; the motorcycle chase in TND is nice, but also very slow. Car chase in the parking garage is cute (is "cute" good in a Bond film?). The tank chase in GE is nice and fast but also much too silly IMO, good for a one-off viewing but zero repeat viewing value.

If there's one measure for me re lasting impact, it's rewatchability. So far QOS is the most rewatchable Bond since the 70s, easy. I suspect for others too especially non-Bond fans who are simply looking for something good to watch again. Thank you, QOS editing team!

[Matt_13]

Car chase.

Credits.

Rooftop chase.

Knife fight.

Tosca.

Showdown at La Perla and Greene's demise.

Coda with Yusef.

Not only are these memorable, but well done. Contrast to other bits of recent Bonds, these stick out more, at least for me: the CR "set piece" action sequences were far too long although the torture sequence is very memorable. Nothing in DAD or TWINE sticks out; the motorcycle chase in TND is nice, but also very slow. Car chase in the parking garage is cute (is "cute" good in a Bond film?). The tank chase in GE is nice and fast but also much too silly IMO, good for a one-off viewing but zero repeat viewing value.

If there's one measure for me re lasting impact, it's rewatchability. So far QOS is the most rewatchable Bond since the 70s, easy. I suspect for others too especially non-Bond fans who are simply looking for something good to watch again. Thank you, QOS editing team!

Completely agreed. Casino Royale is a hugely memorable experience, but the setpiece action (while memorable and with the exception of the parkour chase) goes on for far too long (the parkour chase definitely goes on for too long, but it's so spectacular that it doesn't matter). The Tosca sequence, the Palio chase, and the explosive finale in Quantum are all just as memorable, and handled much more deftly and creatively. Also Arnold's score isn't hammering us over the head with horns like Royale's sequences. Futher, the dialogue in QoS is much more natural than pretty much anything heard on CR. To me, Quantum is so exceptional because it manages to balance character development with action without compromising any style. It's just a far more engaging experience that never outstays it's welcome.

[blueman]

Yeah, and what kinda sucks about it is I really didn't have complaints about CR until after I saw QOS, Forster's film puts in sharp focus the faults in Campbell's film (bloated action, weak dialogue, yes Arnold's head-bashing score, also Eva Green has slid quite a bit in my estimation in a very short time, makes me pine for a different Vesper for Craig, just can't help but think she was cast for the Broadchest joke, in line with Campbell's obsession with having long silencers on guns, not subtle, lol). Craig remains the best thing about CR, but very glad we have QOS that showcases a story + storytelling technique to match what he can do in the role. And very very curious how 23 fits with 21 and 22, as usual I'm tempering my high hopes (but secretly geeked to the max ).

[Capsule in Space]

horrible casting (i.e. Craig as Bond),

Netgeek, is that you???

Is "Netgeek" a name someone uses on forums? No, that isn't me. I don't have the experience, nor the ability, with the Internet to gloss myself "Netgeek". Ask Jim, I couldn't even get my signature image to work right, and I am still unsure if it is right. That's after taking about fifteen minutes trying upload the image in the first place.

Haha, this post of mine has a -2 rating.

I am curious why. Possible reasons:

1. Because I am not Netgeek.
2. Because people think I am Netgeek.
3. Because I am Capsule in Space.
4. Because it took me fifteen minutes to post a signature image that was ultimately rejected anyway.
5. Some other reason I didn't consider.

I don't know why that post of yours got -2, but I gave you a +1 on your last post to try to help off set it. Some may want to give you a - based of some other posts, but I don't know why they would for that post saying you are not netgeek?????

I am not sure what to make of this either, Jaguar. I appreciate the +1 though, thank you.

[jaguar007]

Not only are these memorable, but well done.

Yes, well done but there is a difference between a well done scene, and something that becomes "iconic imagery". If you go up to a regular movie goer (not the ones you would find here on CBn) and asked them to pick out a few scenes from Bond movies, you would get answers like Ursulla Andress rising from the water, Bond taking off the wet suit to reveal the tux, the Aston DB5's ejector seat, golden girl, TSWLM ski jump and sub car, Craig coming out of the water etc. Those scenes have made a cultural impact where nothing in QoS has reached that level. I'm not bashing QoS, many Bond films don't have scenes that have reached that level of iconic imagery despite being excellent.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

Car chase.

Credits.

Rooftop chase.

Knife fight.

Tosca.

Showdown at La Perla and Greene's demise.

Coda with Yusef.

Not only are these memorable, but well done. Contrast to other bits of recent Bonds, these stick out more, at least for me: the CR "set piece" action sequences were far too long although the torture sequence is very memorable. Nothing in DAD or TWINE sticks out; the motorcycle chase in TND is nice, but also very slow. Car chase in the parking garage is cute (is "cute" good in a Bond film?). The tank chase in GE is nice and fast but also much too silly IMO, good for a one-off viewing but zero repeat viewing value.

Yes, you have say it, those images are memorable for you, but not for the general moviegoer. Anyway, I agree with about your opinion of the Brosnan era, no scene from that period it's memorable (actually, I think GoldenEye 64, it's more memorable than the movie itself).

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

Car chase.

Credits.

Rooftop chase.

Knife fight.

Tosca.

Showdown at La Perla and Greene's demise.

Coda with Yusef.

Not only are these memorable, but well done. Contrast to other bits of recent Bonds, these stick out more, at least for me: the CR "set piece" action sequences were far too long although the torture sequence is very memorable. Nothing in DAD or TWINE sticks out; the motorcycle chase in TND is nice, but also very slow. Car chase in the parking garage is cute (is "cute" good in a Bond film?). The tank chase in GE is nice and fast but also much too silly IMO, good for a one-off viewing but zero repeat viewing value.

Yes, you have say it... (just like jaguar007 also exposed) those images are memorable for you, but not for the general moviegoer. Anyway, I agree with your opinion about the Brosnan era, no scene from that period it's memorable- actually, I think GoldenEye 64, it's more memorable than the movie itself-.

[jaguar007]

Yes, you have say it... (just like jaguar007 also exposed) those images are memorable for you, but not for the general moviegoer. Anyway, I agree with your opinion about the Brosnan era, no scene from that period it's memorable- actually, I think GoldenEye 64, it's more memorable than the movie itself-.

I think much of the love for GE comes more from the video game than the actual movie itself.

[blueman]

Car chase.

Credits.

Rooftop chase.

Knife fight.

Tosca.

Showdown at La Perla and Greene's demise.

Coda with Yusef.

Not only are these memorable, but well done. Contrast to other bits of recent Bonds, these stick out more, at least for me: the CR "set piece" action sequences were far too long although the torture sequence is very memorable. Nothing in DAD or TWINE sticks out; the motorcycle chase in TND is nice, but also very slow. Car chase in the parking garage is cute (is "cute" good in a Bond film?). The tank chase in GE is nice and fast but also much too silly IMO, good for a one-off viewing but zero repeat viewing value.

Yes, you have say it, those images are memorable for you, but not for the general moviegoer. Anyway, I agree with about your opinion of the Brosnan era, no scene from that period it's memorable (actually, I think GoldenEye 64, it's more memorable than the movie itself).

I doubt either of us has the pulse of the general movie-goer, lol. Just another set of opinions on that front IMO.

Given general movie-goers today seem to be more ADD than in decades past, I give QOS the nod.

[Col. Sun]

QOS gets its UK terrestrial premiere next Sat night on ITV 1 and ITV HD - 9pm start, no news breaks. Nice to see it follow on from CR this Sat nite.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

Car chase.

Credits.

Rooftop chase.

Knife fight.

Tosca.

Showdown at La Perla and Greene's demise.

Coda with Yusef.

Not only are these memorable, but well done. Contrast to other bits of recent Bonds, these stick out more, at least for me: the CR "set piece" action sequences were far too long although the torture sequence is very memorable. Nothing in DAD or TWINE sticks out; the motorcycle chase in TND is nice, but also very slow. Car chase in the parking garage is cute (is "cute" good in a Bond film?). The tank chase in GE is nice and fast but also much too silly IMO, good for a one-off viewing but zero repeat viewing value.

Yes, you have say it, those images are memorable for you, but not for the general moviegoer. Anyway, I agree with about your opinion of the Brosnan era, no scene from that period it's memorable (actually, I think GoldenEye 64, it's more memorable than the movie itself).

I doubt either of us has the pulse of the general movie-goer, lol. Just another set of opinions on that front IMO.

Maybe. But sites like IMDb.com are good glimpses of the pulse of the general movie-goer, and there clearly the more popular Bond Movies are CR and GF, whereas QOS is only in the 10th place.

[blueman]

Maybe. But sites like IMDb.com are good glimpses of the pulse of the general movie-goer, and there clearly the more popular Bond Movies are CR and GF, whereas QOS is only in the 10th place.

??

I think there's a pretty big difference between movie nuts and Joe Public, IMDb is like this site, more fanboyish than general movie-goer - they who simply go see films without bothering to blog about them. Having a love story in CR helped that film with general audiences IMO, but the Bond/Camille relationship in QOS was far better handled, and likely cancels out the former film's attempts at Big Hollywood Romance ™. But like I said, hard to know beyond simple BO/DVD sales/rental figures, in that regard both were solid hits.

[cpt. sir dominic flandry]

QOS gets its UK terrestrial premiere next Sat night on ITV 1 and ITV HD - 9pm start, no news breaks. Nice to see it follow on from CR this Sat nite.

Much obliged for the warning. I'll have to remember to be busy on Saturday night.

[Capsule in Space]

QOS gets its UK terrestrial premiere next Sat night on ITV 1 and ITV HD - 9pm start, no news breaks. Nice to see it follow on from CR this Sat nite.

Much obliged for the warning. I'll have to remember to be busy on Saturday night.

May I make a suggestion Captain? For this coming Saturday night, how about pulling out your Region 2 DVD player and treating yourself to a double feature of Moonraker and Octpussy. Thus, avoiding the possibility of turning on ITV by mistake.

Edited by Capsule in Space, 23 March 2011 - 12:17 AM.

[cpt. sir dominic flandry]

QOS gets its UK terrestrial premiere next Sat night on ITV 1 and ITV HD - 9pm start, no news breaks. Nice to see it follow on from CR this Sat nite.

Much obliged for the warning. I'll have to remember to be busy on Saturday night.

May I make a suggestion Captain? For this coming Saturday night, how about pulling out your Region 2 DVD player and treating yourself to a double feature of Moonraker and Octpussy. Thus, avoiding the possibility of turning on ITV by mistake.

An excellent suggestion. I suppose the good thing about QOS is that it's only about 20 minutes long!

[Capsule in Space]

QOS gets its UK terrestrial premiere next Sat night on ITV 1 and ITV HD - 9pm start, no news breaks. Nice to see it follow on from CR this Sat nite.

Much obliged for the warning. I'll have to remember to be busy on Saturday night.

May I make a suggestion Captain? For this coming Saturday night, how about pulling out your Region 2 DVD player and treating yourself to a double feature of Moonraker and Octpussy. Thus, avoiding the possibility of turning on ITV by mistake.

An excellent suggestion. I suppose the good thing about QOS is that it's only about 20 minutes long!

Great point, Captain. Now if they were showing Casino Royale instead of Quantum of Solace, I would recommend that you watch every Bond film from the Moore era to avoid that seemingly never-ending mess!

[Bond31]

It's in my Top 10 best Bond films ever just cause Craig's performance is top notch, the sheer brutality of Bond is shocking, It's a little downbeat. It's flawed but damn it's a good film.

 

The opening 20 minutes are excellent. It dips a bit when they get on the plane but picks it up for the ending. One of the more interesting takes on a Bond girl and the fact she's as hurt as Bond and the fact he doesn't shag her is a nice change. I love the theme song which many hate and the ending is a perfect ending leaving us waiting for the perfection that was Skyfall. Top performances from Dame Judi Dench, Olga Kurylenko, Jeffery Wright  and Giancarlo Gianncani.

 

I can see why many hate it, the editing, Bond isn't as smooth or classy but a killing machine, The way the death of Mathis is handled seems to disturb a few (I think it was perfect) plus one of the worse Bond girls in Gemma Arterton.

 

I stand by the film and I'm very Pro QOS to this day, it demands repeating viewing.

[FlemingBond]

funnily enough as good perception of QOS has dropped, I've actually started liking it more. It's a little short, editing can be too choppy, but I enjoy it, particularly Craig.

[Bond31]

funnily enough as good perception of QOS has dropped, I've actually started liking it more. It's a little short, editing can be too choppy, but I enjoy it, particularly Craig.

 

It doesn't have the first viewing impact CR and SF have. It demands repeat viewing, I was a bit so/so when I saw it in the cinema but when I got it on DVD I really started to love it. It does hold probably one of the most  interesting Bond performances ever, plus Bond has never been shown to be as brutal as in this film. I like the fact it's short and in your face. Yes the editing is a little iffy in places especially some of the action scenes.