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[zencat]

So we don't need to count.

1. Casino Royale
2. Live and Let Die
3. Moonraker
4. Diamonds are Forever
5. From Russia with Love
6. Doctor No
7. Goldfinger
8. For Your Eyes Only
9. Thunderball
10. The Spy Who Loved Me
11. On Her Majesty's Seceret Service
12. You Only Live Twice
13. The Man with the Golden Gun
14. Octopussy
15. Colonel Sun
16. James Bond: The Authorized Biography of 007
17. License Renewed
18. For Special Services
19. Icebreaker
20. Role of Honor
21. Nobody Lives Forever
22. No Deals, Mr. Bond
23. Scorpius
24. Win, Lose or Die
25. Brokenclaw
26. The Man from Barbarossa
27. Death Is Forever
28. Never Send Flowers
29. SeaFire
30. Cold
31. Zero Minus Ten
32. The Facts of Death
33. High Time to Kill
34. Doubleshot
35. Never Dream of Dying
36. The Man With The Red Tattoo
37. Devil May Care
38. Carte Blanche

Novelizations
1. James Bond, The Spy Who Loved Me
2. James Bond and Moonraker
3. Licence To Kill
4. GoldenEye
5. Tomorrow Never Dies
6. The World Is Not Enough
7. Die Another Day

Young Bond:
1. SilverFin
2. Blood Fever
3. Double or Die
4. Hurricane Gold
5. By Royal Command

Moneypenny Diaries
1. Guardian Angel
2. Secret Servant
3. Final Fling

Other:
1. James Bond 003 1/2

I'm excluding the 4 Find Your Fate books, although, technically, they could be included.

[zencat]

Un-seperated and dated. This is how I like to look at them.

1. Casino Royale (1953)
2. Live & Let Die (1954)
3. Moonraker (1955)
4. Diamond Are Forever (1956)
5. From Russia With Love (1957)
6. Dr. No (1958)
7. Goldfinger (1959)
8. For Your Eyes Only (1960)
9. Thunderball (1961)
10. The Spy Who Loved Me (1962)
11. On Her Majesty's Secret Servive (1963)
12. You Only LIve Twice (1964)
13. The Man With The Golden Gun (1965)
14. Octopussy (1966)
15. James Bond Jr. 003 1/2
16. Colonel Sun (1967)
17. James Bond The Authorized Biography of 007 (1973)
18. James Bond, The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
19. James Bond and Moonraker (1979)
20. License Renewed (1981)
21. For Special Services (1982)
22. Icebreaker (1983)
23. Role of Honor (1984)
24. Nobody Lives Forever (1986)
25. No Deals, Mr. Bond (1987)
26. Scorpius (1988)
27. Win Lose or Die (1989)
28. Licence To Kill (1989)
29. Brokenclaw (1990)
30. The Man From Barbarossa (1991)
31. Death Is Forever (1992)
32. Never Send Flowers (1993)
33. SeaFire (1994)
34. GoldenEye (1995)
35. COLD (1996)
36. Zero Minus Ten (1997)
37. Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)
38. The Facts of Death (1998)
39. High Time To Kill (1999)
40. The World Is Not Enough (1999)
41. Doubleshot (2000)
42. Never Dream of Dying (2001)
43. The Man With The Red Tattoo (2002)
44. Die Another Day (2002)
45. SilverFin (2005)
46. The Moneypenny Diaries (2005)
47. Blood Fever (2006)
48. Secret Servant (2006)
49. Double or Die (2007)
50. Hurricane Gold (2007)
51. Final Fling (2008)
52. Devil May Care (2008)
53. By Royal Command (2008)
54. Carte Blanche (2011)

[Matt_13]

The YB novels were so consistently well done. Benson's novelizations were quite good as well.

Also interesting to note that 2 of the 4 continuation authors for the adult series are American (not counting Amis).

EDIT

Thought Gardner was an American. He was not.

[Loomis]

Interesting. Seems I've read 26 Bond novels:

1. Casino Royale (1953)
2. Live & Let Die (1954)
3. Moonraker (1955)
4. Diamond Are Forever (1956)
5. From Russia With Love (1957)
6. Dr. No (1958)
7. Goldfinger (1959)
8. For Your Eyes Only (1960)
9. Thunderball (1961)
10. The Spy Who Loved Me (1962)
11. On Her Majesty's Secret Servive (1963)
12. You Only LIve Twice (1964)
13. The Man With The Golden Gun (1965)
14. Octopussy (1966)
15. Colonel Sun (1967)
16. James Bond The Authorized Biography of 007 (1973)
17. License Renewed (1981)
18. For Special Services (1982)
19. Zero Minus Ten (1997)
20. Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)
21. High Time To Kill (1999)
22. Never Dream of Dying (2001)
23. The Man With The Red Tattoo (2002)
24. Die Another Day (2002)
25. SilverFin (2005)
26. Devil May Care (2008)

BTW, isn't there a Benson short story compilation called CHOICE OF WEAPONS? If OCTOPUSSY is included, so should this be, surely?

[zencat]

Choice of Weapons is not a short story collection, it's a novel anthology with some shorts. As is The Union Trilogy. I don't know. That's the slippery slope.

[doublenoughtspy]

Also interesting to note that 3 of the 4 continuation authors for the adult series are American (not counting Amis).

Arthur Calder-Marshall, Kingsley Amis, John Pearson, Christopher Wood, John Gardner, Samantha Weinberg, and Charlie Higson are all British.

Raymond Benson and Jeffery Deaver are American - who are you counting as the 3rd? Gardner did live in America for a while, but that doesn't make him an American.

[chrisno1]

I believe Choice of Weapons features only one short story (Blast from the Past) I don't know if Benson's other two shorts Live at Five and A Midsummer Nights Doom are included anywhere in his collections.
I can only assume there is a copywrite issue as to why the three tales have not been published together.
I personally hate the recent spate of repackaging novels. Wasn't the tie in version of QOS a compilation of all Fleming's shorts?
On that basis what will they do if the next movie's called RISICO? Reissue it with a tag line "Previously available as Quantum of Solace" probably...

[Matt_13]

Also interesting to note that 3 of the 4 continuation authors for the adult series are American (not counting Amis).

Arthur Calder-Marshall, Kingsley Amis, John Pearson, Christopher Wood, John Gardner, Samantha Weinberg, and Charlie Higson are all British.

Raymond Benson and Jeffery Deaver are American - who are you counting as the 3rd? Gardner did live in America for a while, but that doesn't make him an American.

Always thought Gardner was American. I was counting the four continuation authors for the adult series (Gardner, Benson, Faulks, and Deaver). I was under the impression Gardner was an American, thought I read that somewhere. My bad.

I was also unaware that living in America did not automatically qualify you as an American. The more you know!

[doublenoughtspy]

Always thought Gardner was American. I was counting the four continuation authors for the adult series (Gardner, Benson, Faulks, and Deaver). I was under the impression Gardner was an American, thought I read that somewhere. My bad.

No problem. Most of the book dust jackets never gave much of a bio, just "He lives in Virginia", so I can see how that would leave one with the impression he was American.

[K1Bond007]

I'm not making this case, but would you consider The Young Bond Dossier a Bond book due to its inclusion of A Hard Man to Kill. If yes, then would pre-2002 Thrilling Cities be considered? This one is rather moot given 007 in New York was added to Octopussy and the Living Daylights in 2002, but if that never happened. In both cases the book in question was written by the author. It's not like considering other publications because they were first to publish a short story prior to being put into Octopussy or For Your Eyes Only. In this situation someone could at least make a case that they're 007 associated works.

Just a curious point.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Don't Gardner and Benson count as two separate continuities?

[K1Bond007]

Don't Gardner and Benson count as two separate continuities?

Usually. They also share continuity. They're listed together because they're all "adult Bond".

[zencat]

I'm not making this case, but would you consider The Young Bond Dossier a Bond book due to its inclusion of A Hard Man to Kill. If yes, then would pre-2002 Thrilling Cities be considered? This one is rather moot given 007 in New York was added to Octopussy and the Living Daylights in 2002, but if that never happened. In both cases the book in question was written by the author. It's not like considering other publications because they were first to publish a short story prior to being put into Octopussy or For Your Eyes Only. In this situation someone could at least make a case that they're 007 associated works.

Just a curious point.

Again, a slippery slope. Then we'd also have to consider The Ivory Hammer auction catalog because it contained the first printing of The Property of a Lady.

Don't Gardner and Benson count as two separate continuities?

You can make up your own list how ever you'd like. I just did this because we were trying to count the number of books in another thread. You can put them into any sets of continuities you like.

[David Schofield]

The magazine-published short stories by Benson and Weinberg should also appear in any list, regardless of them not being in book form.

"A Hard Man to Kill" similarly needs inclusion, though the Ivory Hammer and Thrilling Cities issues seem somewhat to moot as both "The Property of the Lady" and "007 in New York" have appeared in stand alone short story collections.

[clublos]

If you're going to include 003 1/2, you might as well include:

Loxfinger
Matzoball
In the Secret Service of His Majesty – the Queen
You Only Live Until You Die
Alligator

[Darth Prefect]

What about the "James Bond, Jr." novelizations?

[doublenoughtspy]

If you're going to include 003 1/2, you might as well include:

Loxfinger
Matzoball
In the Secret Service of His Majesty – the Queen
You Only Live Until You Die
Alligator

003 1/2 was commissioned/sanctioned by Glidrose, the James Bond literary copyright holder.

Loxfinger etc. were not.

[Loomis]

Don't Gardner and Benson count as two separate continuities?

Usually. They also share continuity. They're listed together because they're all "adult Bond".

Don't forget that Benson explicitly references events in Gardner (and even, I believe, Amis' COLONEL SUN), so from that perspective it's all one continuity. Gardner, Pearson, Weinberg and Faulks reference Fleming, as do Gardner and Benson, so therefore all of the Bond novels to date may be said to exist within the same continuity (using the word "continuity" rather loosely), even though there are obvious timeline problems (e.g. how can the hero of 2002's THE MAN WITH THE RED TATTOO possibly be the same person as the hero of CASINO ROYALE?).

To my mind, the only Bond continuation novel that has its own, all-new continuity is CARTE BLANCHE, which is one of the most exciting things about it.

[zencat]

If you're going to include 003 1/2, you might as well include:

Loxfinger
Matzoball
In the Secret Service of His Majesty – the Queen
You Only Live Until You Die
Alligator

003 1/2 was commissioned/sanctioned by Glidrose, the James Bond literary copyright holder.

Loxfinger etc. were not.

Exactly.

What about the "James Bond, Jr." novelizations?

Like the Find Your Fate books, yeah, technically, they probably should be in there.

The magazine-published short stories by Benson and Weinberg should also appear in any list, regardless of them not being in book form.

"A Hard Man to Kill" similarly needs inclusion, though the Ivory Hammer and Thrilling Cities issues seem somewhat to moot as both "The Property of the Lady" and "007 in New York" have appeared in stand alone short story collections.

I did this as a list of "James Bond Books", not James Bond stories. There are a lot of things I left out. I actually have master list of "James Bond Original Stories" that runs 163 entries.

Like I said, everyone's free to post up their own list. Didn't mean for this to become a whole thing. I just posted these to help us count the obvious books (because we were struggling with the number in another thread).

[David Schofield]

The magazine-published short stories by Benson and Weinberg should also appear in any list, regardless of them not being in book form.

"A Hard Man to Kill" similarly needs inclusion, though the Ivory Hammer and Thrilling Cities issues seem somewhat to moot as both "The Property of the Lady" and "007 in New York" have appeared in stand alone short story collections.

I did this as a list of "James Bond Books", not James Bond stories. There are a lot of things I left out. I actually have master list of "James Bond Original Stories" that runs 163 entries.

163??? Never come across that list before????