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[double o ego]

You know what I forgot about Moore hitting Andrea. You can tell Moore was uncomfortable doing it. Not a good moment. I think we should do a poll here for Bond's coldest moment or something.

And on the flip side, the way Connery slaps tatyana...I'm surprised he didn't slap more women. Lazenby slapping Tracy, now that was a sight to behold.

[Shakey Martini]

Until I read this topic I hadn't given it much thought but it's a fair point that Timothy didn't dispatch many people with his trusty PPK, though to be fair to him it wasn't for the want of trying, in his first film he would of scored two with both Pushkin and Whittaker if they hadn't unfairly cheated death with various bullet resitant materials and if he had been just a little bit more ruthless I'm sure that kid with his balloons and his mother at the funfair would of brought his score to a very respectable four. Admittedly he fared less well in Licence To Kill, but as has been mentioned he managed to improvise with many other even more violent and gruesome kills and deserves due credit for them.

[iBond]

Well, this is another reason why Dalton is very unique. In that yes he has the looks of a killer and doesn't mess around, but doesn't exactly kill as expected. But yeah, I can't find one scene where Dalton kills someone by shooting them. It just doesn't happen. However, he does use his instincts and manages to over come it. And, it usually works. He is not a blunt instrument like Craig or anything like that. He uses his brains before bullets. Yet, at the same time he is 007 and won't take any from anyone. Not even M.

[00 Brosnan]

I have to admit, I never really took notice of Dalton not having a high body count.

I seem to recall reading the Brosnan had easily the highest bodycount. That's machine guns for you

Goldeneye: 12
Tomorrow Never Dies: 25
The World is not enough: 19
Die another day: idk but a hell of a lot especially in the beginning.

Bond kills Zao (by shooting the chandelier down from the ceiling above him) and Graves (on the plane in an un-traditional manner) in DAD. Hadn't seen these mentioned.

[iBond]

I have to admit, I never really took notice of Dalton not having a high body count.

I seem to recall reading the Brosnan had easily the highest bodycount. That's machine guns for you

Goldeneye: 12
Tomorrow Never Dies: 25
The World is not enough: 19
Die another day: idk but a hell of a lot especially in the beginning.

Bond kills Zao (by shooting the chandelier down from the ceiling above him) and Graves (on the plane in an un-traditional manner) in DAD. Hadn't seen these mentioned.

Well, I guess because Zao's death wasn't direct. It was due to something else and not directly from Bond's gun. But yeah, those count as well. I mean, all Bond had to do with Graves was push the button on his suit. I'm sorry, but the "Time to face gravity" line was great! Classic Bond!

Edited by iBond, 08 April 2011 - 09:46 PM.

[solace]

You know what I forgot about Moore hitting Andrea. You can tell Moore was uncomfortable doing it. Not a good moment. I think we should do a poll here for Bond's coldest moment or something.

FOr an actor that did not really like playing Bond that way, I thought he pulled off the scene hitting Andrea very well. Roger really had some great cold moments in TMWTGG.

I think Moore was best as Bond in most of those moments. It gave the film a real feel as oppose to a corny one.

Roger was my least favourite Bond, but when he actually behaved in a cold, ruthless manner I felt that was the best part of his potrayal. His harder more serious moments were the best parts for me.

[00 Brosnan]

I'm sorry, but the "Time to face gravity" line was great! Classic Bond!

I never understood some people's problem with that line, Roger Moore in particular made numerous puns and one-liners that were much worse. That's not to say he didn't have some good ones, all the Bonds did.

[iBond]

I'm sorry, but the "Time to face gravity" line was great! Classic Bond!

I never understood some people's problem with that line, Roger Moore in particular made numerous puns and one-liners that were much worse. That's not to say he didn't have some good ones, all the Bonds did.

Gosh, people had a problem with that line too? Dang, sometimes there's nothing you can do to please certain people.

[00 Brosnan]

I'm sorry, but the "Time to face gravity" line was great! Classic Bond!

I never understood some people's problem with that line, Roger Moore in particular made numerous puns and one-liners that were much worse. That's not to say he didn't have some good ones, all the Bonds did.

Gosh, people had a problem with that line too? Dang, sometimes there's nothing you can do to please certain people.

I've just seen it criticized on these forums before, I didn't mean a broad definition of people or anything.

[iBond]

No, I know. I'm just saying. But yeah back to Dalton. He does shoot someone when fleeing the bar in Florida with Pam.

[Miles Miservy]

I may be wrong here but to my recollection Mr Dalton, in his tenure as 007, appears to have only shot and killed one person. That person, the henchman at the club in Licence To Kill, it's when he escapes, in a speed boat, from the Barrelhead Bar, with Pam Bouvier. Yes he's knocked out, drowned, caused explosions to kill people, etc, but only ever shot one and killed them. without me watching the films again can anyone correct me on this point. Its so strange, cos as 007 you thought he would have shot and killed more than that, Connery, Moore, Lazenby, Dalton, and Craig, have all managed it. I mean, even in the afghanistan airfield, in TLD, his bullets flew around A-team style but he still shot and killed no one. Would be interested if anyone can correct me on this point. interesting trivia if its true.

He shot Pushkin.

I have to admit, I never really took notice of Dalton not having a high body count.

I seem to recall reading the Brosnan had easily the highest bodycount. That's machine guns for you

Goldeneye: 12
Tomorrow Never Dies: 25
The World is not enough: 19
Die another day: idk but a hell of a lot especially in the beginning.

Bond kills Zao (by shooting the chandelier down from the ceiling above him) and Graves (on the plane in an un-traditional manner) in DAD. Hadn't seen these mentioned.

Well, I guess because Zao's death wasn't direct. It was due to something else and not directly from Bond's gun. But yeah, those count as well. I mean, all Bond had to do with Graves was push the button on his suit. I'm sorry, but the "Time to face gravity" line was great! Classic Bond!

The thing about T.Dalton & License to Kill is that he's basically plants the seeds of distrust amongst his enemies & lets them destroy eachother.

[TCK]

Interesting point. And, it's very strange for Dalton's Bond is usually described as the more violent, but as you mentioned, he only shot and killed the man on the wharf while he was escaping by boat. But... well, I'd say Dalton's Bond doesn't need to kill everybody to be the most violent. By a look, by a sentence, or even by a gesture, we shudder... The look he has after Saunder's death, or when he bursts the balloon, or when he says "I got the message", what a thrill and what a man !

Tim' reminds me Sean in Thunderball.

To me, the violence with Dalton is elsewhere. Craig continues a bit in this way, but it's different because the violence is more shown than suggested. With Dalton, it was more suggested than shown. For instance when Dario goes to get Pam's boyfriend's heart, it's not shown but the screm proves that they are looking for it... That's why to me Licence to kill is more violent than Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace.

[00 Brosnan]

Interesting point. And, it's very strange for Dalton's Bond is usually described as the more violent, but as you mentioned, he only shot and killed the man on the wharf while he was escaping by boat. But... well, I'd say Dalton's Bond doesn't need to kill everybody to be the most violent. By a look, by a sentence, or even by a gesture, we shudder... The look he has after Saunder's death, or when he bursts the balloon, or when he says "I got the message", what a thrill and what a man !

I don't think Dalton's Bond was more or less violent than Connery, Craig, or Brosnan.

Dalton had a more serious interpretation that was all. LTK is a violent movie, but the majority of that violence isn't committed by Bond. TLD isn't anymore violent than a number of other Bond films and the only scene that stands out as evidence of Dalton himself being violent is when he is holding a gun to dude's head in his room...which isn't a unique act for any Bond.

[TCK]

[...]and the only scene that stands out as evidence of Dalton himself being violent is when he is holding a gun to dude's head in his room[...]

Well I disagree. Saunder's death, the ending of Licence to kill with the trucks scene, or also when he takes Kara by the arm, these scenes show a violent Bond.

[iBond]

To me, the violence with Dalton is elsewhere. Craig continues a bit in this way, but it's different because the violence is more shown than suggested. With Dalton, it was more suggested than shown... That's why to me Licence to kill is more violent than Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace.

I agree! You really nailed it here! Sometimes suggestion is much more violent than what is actually shown. This is a perfect example with Licence to Kill. I mean, you just want to wonder what happened with how they impaled Heller on the forklift. Hahaha!