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[osric]

I may be wrong here but to my recollection Mr Dalton, in his tenure as 007, appears to have only shot and killed one person. That person, the henchman at the club in Licence To Kill, it's when he escapes, in a speed boat, from the Barrelhead Bar, with Pam Bouvier. Yes he's knocked out, drowned, caused explosions to kill people, etc, but only ever shot one and killed them. without me watching the films again can anyone correct me on this point. Its so strange, cos as 007 you thought he would have shot and killed more than that, Connery, Moore, Lazenby, Dalton, and Craig, have all managed it. I mean, even in the afghanistan airfield, in TLD, his bullets flew around A-team style but he still shot and killed no one. Would be interested if anyone can correct me on this point. interesting trivia if its true.

[sharpshooter]

"Compliments of Sharky" instantly comes to mind.

[Jack Rapace]

I may be wrong here but to my recollection Mr Dalton, in his tenure as 007, appears to have only shot and killed one person. That person, the henchman at the club in Licence To Kill, it's when he escapes, in a speed boat, from the Barrelhead Bar, with Pam Bouvier. Yes he's knocked out, drowned, caused explosions to kill people, etc, but only ever shot one and killed them. without me watching the films again can anyone correct me on this point. Its so strange, cos as 007 you thought he would have shot and killed more than that, Connery, Moore, Lazenby, Dalton, and Craig, have all managed it. I mean, even in the afghanistan airfield, in TLD, his bullets flew around A-team style but he still shot and killed no one. Would be interested if anyone can correct me on this point. interesting trivia if its true.

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[osric]

Not being picky but that was spear gun but ok, yeah, i'll allow it. other than those two. Are there any more.

[AMC Hornet]

You've hit on something here, Osric my man. For all the gunplay in which Dalton engaged in TLD and LTK, he seems to have only fatally shot the two characters already mentioned.

He's not the only one, though: Sean never shot anyone in DAF either. In fact, we only see him with PPK in hand once ("Good evening, Miss Case"), which is once more than Roger in MR (although there he had his wrist dart gun - hardly a substitute.) Roger also never fatally shot anyone in AVTAK (the eighties seemed to have been a less violent era for our man).

What about DAD? I know it's not a popular film among fans here, but I don't recall Brosnan piercing anyone there either.

Edited by AMC Hornet, 21 December 2010 - 12:23 AM.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Sean never shat anyone in DAF either.

Um... did you mean that spelling?

[dinovelvet]

What about DAD? I know it's not a popular film among fans here, but I don't recall Brosnan piercing anyone there either.

He shoots a hovercraft pilot in the PTS, but other than that I think you're right; he does a lot of "virtual" killing in one sequence of course.

Anyway, in addition to the no shooting thing, Dalton wasn't much for getting his kit off, was he? He was fully clothed for all of TLD, and only briefly got his shirt off in one scene with Lupe in LTK.

[mttvolcano]

well in DAF connery shoots Blofeld's clone with, a sort of gun....the one he used to climb to the tower of the Whyte House.

[mttvolcano]

Oh and doesn't dalton shoot and kill a guy in the plane in Afghanistan once they find out who he is?

[Mark_Hazard]

And if you read Casino Royale you'll find that 007 doesn't actually kill anyone in that book either, although his first two kills (that earn him his "00" status) are mentioned.

[MrKidd]

Sean never shat anyone in DAF either.

Um... did you mean that spelling?

That made me laugh!

Sounds like we've got ourselves a case of not shooting unless he's shooting at someone and only killing the people he killed! Still, interesting observation - nice work, oscric

Edited by MrKidd, 21 December 2010 - 01:25 AM.

[General G.]

I mean, even in the afghanistan airfield, in TLD, his bullets flew around A-team style but he still shot and killed no one.

I've always had the impression that, just prior to the battle at the Soviet airbase (when Bond is discovered and barricades himself inside the plane, armed with an AK-47), he isn't trying to shoot/kill anyone. He deliberately misses, hitting the vehicles instead of the Soviet personnel.

[mttvolcano]

I mean, even in the afghanistan airfield, in TLD, his bullets flew around A-team style but he still shot and killed no one.

I've always had the impression that, just prior to the battle at the Soviet airbase (when Bond is discovered and barricades himself inside the plane, armed with an AK-47), he isn't trying to shoot/kill anyone. He deliberately misses, hitting the vehicles instead of the Soviet personnel.

Oh he didn't kill anyone??? I thought he did. I will look that part up again

[jaguar007]

I've always had the impression that, just prior to the battle at the Soviet airbase (when Bond is discovered and barricades himself inside the plane, armed with an AK-47), he isn't trying to shoot/kill anyone. He deliberately misses, hitting the vehicles instead of the Soviet personnel.

Agreed, he was trying to keep the Russian soldiers away from the plane.

[Jeff007]

People did die though. Necros, "got the boot" and Dario fell in the mincers. He was responsible for the deaths of Whitaker and even Krest. I think shooting the main characters to death was thought to be, "too easy" of a way to kill them off. (yes, it's been done a few times. Dent, Dryden and even Stromberg.. etc) So if Dalton didn't shoot many people in his films it's only because he wasn't up against a You Only Live Twice/The Spy Who Loved Me end war against the main villains henchmen. If that were a case I think you'd see the end body count higher from gun shots.

[Turn]

Aren't we forgetting that in both of Dalton's movies he sets up for assassination attempts twice? He could shoot Kara but chooses not to and his attempt on Sanchez goes awry when he's attacked by the ninjas. The intent was there, not the follow through.

Also, Moore blows away the hidden assassin in the tree with the shotgun on Drax's estate in MR. It's not the Walther, but it is a death by gunfire.

[jaguar007]

People did die though. Necros, "got the boot" and Dario fell in the mincers. He was responsible for the deaths of Whitaker and even Krest. I think shooting the main characters to death was thought to be, "too easy" of a way to kill them off. (yes, it's been done a few times. Dent, Dryden and even Stromberg.. etc) So if Dalton didn't shoot many people in his films it's only because he wasn't up against a You Only Live Twice/The Spy Who Loved Me end war against the main villains henchmen. If that were a case I think you'd see the end body count higher from gun shots.

Don't forget his best kill of all, Kilifer "you earned it, you keep it". Of course I guess technically the shark killed him.

[Jeff007]

People did die though. Necros, "got the boot" and Dario fell in the mincers. He was responsible for the deaths of Whitaker and even Krest. I think shooting the main characters to death was thought to be, "too easy" of a way to kill them off. (yes, it's been done a few times. Dent, Dryden and even Stromberg.. etc) So if Dalton didn't shoot many people in his films it's only because he wasn't up against a You Only Live Twice/The Spy Who Loved Me end war against the main villains henchmen. If that were a case I think you'd see the end body count higher from gun shots.

Don't forget his best kill of all, Kilifer "you earned it, you keep it". Of course I guess technically the shark killed him.

Ah, very true, Jag...

[pgram]

I've always had the impression that, just prior to the battle at the Soviet airbase (when Bond is discovered and barricades himself inside the plane, armed with an AK-47), he isn't trying to shoot/kill anyone. He deliberately misses, hitting the vehicles instead of the Soviet personnel.

Agreed, he was trying to keep the Russian soldiers away from the plane.

Am I right to think that the only time Bond's ever shot at innocent people (Russian soldiers doing their jobs is innocent) was during the prison-break scene in GE?

[Jeff007]

I've always had the impression that, just prior to the battle at the Soviet airbase (when Bond is discovered and barricades himself inside the plane, armed with an AK-47), he isn't trying to shoot/kill anyone. He deliberately misses, hitting the vehicles instead of the Soviet personnel.

Agreed, he was trying to keep the Russian soldiers away from the plane.

Am I right to think that the only time Bond's ever shot at innocent people (Russian soldiers doing their jobs is innocent) was during the prison-break scene in GE?

Similar to this in Casino Royale Bond shoots in the air in the Nambutu Embassy while escaping. He doesn't kill any of the employees or soldiers during the whole ordeal yet fires his weapon a few times.

[SPECTRE ASSASSIN]

It is kinda ironic that Dalton is considered to be "hardest" Bond of them when the "lighter" actors like Moore and Brosnan did the most damage on-screen with the killings of Elektra King and Stromberg. I think Bond did the worst deed in "For Your Eyes Only" when he kicked the car to get rid of Louque.

[Safari Suit]

I seem to recall reading the Brosnan had easily the highest bodycount. That's machine guns for you

[mttvolcano]

I seem to recall reading the Brosnan had easily the highest bodycount. That's machine guns for you

Goldeneye: 12
Tomorrow Never Dies: 25
The World is not enough: 19
Die another day: idk but a hell of a lot especially in the beginning.

[jaguar007]

I think Bond did the worst deed in "For Your Eyes Only" when he kicked the car to get rid of Louque.

I would put Professor Dent and Kilifer right up there.

[SPECTRE ASSASSIN]

Yeah but given Moore's personality and the fact that Louque's car was going to fall off the cliff anyway was pretty cold.

[jaguar007]

Yeah but given Moore's personality and the fact that Louque's car was going to fall off the cliff anyway was pretty cold.

Moore was the more humorous Bond and never came off as tough as Connery, but I never really felt he was the "Mr. nice guy Bond". Look how he knocked off Sandor and continuously shot Stromberg in TSWLM as well as slapping Andrea in TMWTGG.

[SPECTRE ASSASSIN]

You know what I forgot about Moore hitting Andrea. You can tell Moore was uncomfortable doing it. Not a good moment. I think we should do a poll here for Bond's coldest moment or something.

[jaguar007]

You know what I forgot about Moore hitting Andrea. You can tell Moore was uncomfortable doing it. Not a good moment. I think we should do a poll here for Bond's coldest moment or something.

FOr an actor that did not really like playing Bond that way, I thought he pulled off the scene hitting Andrea very well. Roger really had some great cold moments in TMWTGG.

[mttvolcano]

You know what I forgot about Moore hitting Andrea. You can tell Moore was uncomfortable doing it. Not a good moment. I think we should do a poll here for Bond's coldest moment or something.

FOr an actor that did not really like playing Bond that way, I thought he pulled off the scene hitting Andrea very well. Roger really had some great cold moments in TMWTGG.

I think Moore was best as Bond in most of those moments. It gave the film a real feel as oppose to a corny one.

[Publius]

I think this owes a lot to the nature of the two films. TLD was more of a traditional spy story, an intentional throwback of sorts with Bond navigating the twists and turns of Koskov's and Whitaker's plot. And in LTK Bond spent a great deal of time undercover, infiltrating the Sanchez organization and setting up his men to be killed by Sanchez himself.

Also, I remember when CR was released, someone on here pointed out that the big difference between it and LTK wasn't more or less violence, it was that CR had fairly straightforward violence (people being shot or strangled) whereas in LTK it was a lot more exotic (pressure chambers, being shredded alive, and so on).