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#661 tdalton

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 08:00 AM

You wouldn't notice Christmas much in Indonesia, but maybe the PTS (or whatever comes after the titles in case we forego a PTS) could take place somewhere more temperate?


Maybe the Shrublands sequences could take place somewhere where Christmas would be a bit more obvious. Maybe the interior of the Shurblands complex has some kind of Christmas decorations (not over-the-top or anything like that, but a modest amount to give the viewer a sense of what time of year it is without bombarding them with the imagery of it).

I think what I'll probably come up with some kind of alternative background for Domino sometime tomorrow or the next day as part of my contribution to the project. I think that the best characters that we've had over the course of the many treatments we've done now have been the ones that have had some work go into them, and I do think it would be interesting to see how a third interpretation of the Domino character could be different from the previous two.

Edited by tdalton, 25 December 2010 - 08:02 AM.


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Posted 25 December 2010 - 08:49 AM

Eyebrow raising Blofeld casting suggestion : Morgan Freeman

I figured since NSNA had a black Felix, Warhead could have a black Blofeld! Freeman would bring that gravitas and authority to the role, and it'd be neatly playing against type to hear his silky, unmistakable voice demanding 10 billion dollars (or however much) or he will detonate two nuclear warheads.

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 09:15 AM

Re: Josh Brolin, I'd lend my vote to those supporting the casting - it's an interesting twist to the character, something people won't expect. I was going to suggest someone like Scott Caan for the role - when I was watching the new Hawaii 5-0 the other day I thought he'd make a good choice - but Brolin is a decent alternative.

And, as someone has said, if we want, we can always have an exchange like 'Felix Leiter? I think I knew your father -" to suggest he's Felix Junior.

Re: PTS - I'd say we don't have one, much like NSNA didn't (though they had one planned) and just open with the song. coco1997 did suggest Cee Lo Green's 'Bright Lights, Bigger City' the other week as a template for what a Cee Lo Green title song would be like if he did one for the Craig Era - and it's probably worth listening to it as a template for the Warhead 2010 theme.



You wouldn't notice Christmas much in Indonesia, but maybe the PTS (or whatever comes after the titles in case we forego a PTS) could take place somewhere more temperate?


Maybe the Shrublands sequences could take place somewhere where Christmas would be a bit more obvious. Maybe the interior of the Shurblands complex has some kind of Christmas decorations (not over-the-top or anything like that, but a modest amount to give the viewer a sense of what time of year it is without bombarding them with the imagery of it).

I think what I'll probably come up with some kind of alternative background for Domino sometime tomorrow or the next day as part of my contribution to the project. I think that the best characters that we've had over the course of the many treatments we've done now have been the ones that have had some work go into them, and I do think it would be interesting to see how a third interpretation of the Domino character could be different from the previous two.


Perhaps we could have Shrublands in Norway or similar - at something like the actual hotel the Ice Hotel in DAD was based on. It would definitely be a lot different to the UK location for bother original and NSNA locations, and a stark contrast to both Jamaica (if we do put Bond there as Head of Station) and Bali. We could even transpose the hotel to Lapland if we wanted to make it extra Christmassy.

It'd make an interesting few locations: Jamaica, Lapland, Bali - and whatever comes in to stand for the Miami/Middle East locations.

I was going to suggest that it's the actual theft of the bombs that prompts Bond to be brought back into the fold by M/Tanner - for the reason that he is their foremost expert on SPECTRE, perhaps. This might mean the use of Shrublands needs to be changed slightly - but I'm sure we could work that issue out.

Also - we've had two versions of the theft of the nuclear missiles, but in a modern day setting would it not be more interesting and perhaps more reasonable for the nuclear weapons (maybe make them MOAB's tii - massive air blast bombs, all the destructive force of a nuke with zero fallout) to have been aquired on the black market.

And maybe Jack (Jacques?) Derval could be a UN Arms Inspector (and Domino's father rather than brother?) who gets somehow involved in the black market theft or something? Just an idea, we don't need to use it. But it's an idea that I think would definitely work with a modern day setting - hopefully it jives (or can be made to) with tdalton's concepts for Domino.

Eyebrow raising Blofeld casting suggestion : Morgan Freeman

I figured since NSNA had a black Felix, Warhead could have a black Blofeld! Freeman would bring that gravitas and authority to the role, and it'd be neatly playing against type to hear his silky, unmistakable voice demanding 10 billion dollars (or however much) or he will detonate two nuclear warheads.


I love this casting - as with all the others that have been put forth. coco1997 and I discussed a franchise reboot idea a few months ago and one of the casting ideas was Morgan Freeman as Blofeld - it's good to see that we weren't alone in the thoughts.

Here's an updated 'character list':

Timothy Dalton as...James Bond 007
Stellan Skarsgard as...Edvard Largo
Alicja Bachleda as...Aella Morderczy (Fiona Volpe)
Delphine Cheneac...Domino Derval
Morgan Freeman...Blofeld
Josh Brolin as...Felix Leiter
Matthew Willig as...Lippe
John Hurt...M("Bill Tanner")
Richard Griffiths as...Q
Stephen Campbell Moore as...Jack Parsons
TBC ... Jacques Derval


BTW - Merry Christmas Everyone!!!! Thanks for making UB (both regular and anthology) such an enjoyable project to play with!

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 12:02 PM

Dave has convinced me not to abandon ship entirely. I still might not take part in UB-Brosnan for the sake of getting some breathing space, but in the meantime I'll make a suggestion that I was toying with over the UB Anthology but could never find the right place to fit it. However, as WARHEAD is a remake of THUNDERBALL, it's the perfect opportunity:

Instead of Bond evading pursuers at the mardi gras in the Bahamas, he instead encouters a public performance of the commedia dell'arte in some form. This could possibly be worked into the death of Aella Morderczy (if it's not already taken). Most importantly, one of the assassins would be dressed as the pulcinella. In fact, there may be a entire band of SPECTRE assassins/operations team (or whoever is taking the place of SPECTRE) disguised as various characters from the commedia dell'arte.

Another possible idea that could be played with would be SPECTRE (or whoever) acquiring the world's only unaccounted-for nuclear device. This was played with in THE SUM OF ALL FEARS with an Israeli bomber being shot down the its nuclear payload acquired by a group of Syrians. Perhaps it could be a third nuclear device intended for Japan that for some reason never made it to its target, or a Nazi U-boat carrying a prototype nuclear device in secret to Crimea for use against the Russians, but it ran aground in the Black Sea before it could reach its destination. Or a Russian submarine that ran aground in Franz Josef Land during training exercises and was eventually frozen into the islands.

Also, a sequence where Bond has to seduce a man. I know this is controversial and was little more than tabloid fodder a few years ago, but it could be an interesting sequence if done right. MI6 need Bond to target an openly-gay man (sexuality was one of the easiest ways to turn an agent during the Cold War) and get vital information out of him. In order to do this, Bond has to seduce the man. They don't have to kiss or sleep together, but Bond needs to get the information as quickly as possible, and he believes seduction is the easiest way forward. In fact, M may even be the one to suggest the tactic as a starting point.

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 04:23 PM

Lots of cool ideas!

dino--I was actually thinking about suggesting Freeman as Blofeld last night! :D But seeing as how I kind of stole the idea from terminus, I decided against it. I'm glad to see three of us are on the same wavelength.

terminus--The idea of having the weapons bought/stole on the black market definitely makes the concept seem more contemporary and sinister. These minor story changes are what will make this re-imagining all the more compelling to read and imagine as a film. :tup:

Captain--Very colorful ideas, especially the one about la commedia dell'arte. The last one made me laugh--I can definitely see Dalton's Bond acting extremely stubbornly towards his assignment to seduce a gay man in his usual stuffy manner. Also, I'm glad to see you've decided to rejoin the project. Your ideas have always been compelling and enjoyable. I hope you do decide to return for UB Brosnan. :tup:

And, like terminus has said--MERRYCHRISTMAS!!!!

P.S. In preparation for this project, I've been digging through Fleming's "Thunderball" and found some great unused material we could try to incorporate into our treatment, however it will take some time to write up, so expect it some time later today.

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 05:16 PM

The background I promised for Domino (I tried to incorporate bits of Fleming's character, namely the fact that she was an actress, :

Dominique "Domino" Derval (portrayed by Delphine Chanéac): Born into a wealthy French family, Domino lost both of her parents in an accident early in her teenage years. Eventually, she went on to make it big French cinema in her early 20s, as well as doing some work as a model. Shipping magnate Edvard Largo (Stellan Skarsgard) got his hooks into her, getting her to fall for him before he began controlling her career, which he eventually runs into the ground because studio executives refuse to deal with him any longer. He also physically and mentally abuses her on top of helping her develop a drug habit, but instead of leaving him, she eventually develops Stockholm Syndrome, which is not helped by the fact that Largo makes an effort to keep her around by providing her with whatever drugs she desires. Bond sees her as both a means to an end to get to Largo as well as someone who needs to be saved from the situation that she's in.

Edited by tdalton, 25 December 2010 - 06:08 PM.


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Posted 25 December 2010 - 07:29 PM

So, as I said, there are some great moments from Fleming's "Thunderball" that have as yet been untouched in the film universe. Here are a few I'd like to see incorporated into our version:

1. "Thunderball" has a great ending scene which surprisingly has yet to be adapted in any Bond film to my recollection. Bond is holed up in a hospital to recover after the underwater climax. He has become emotionally attached to Domino and jolts awake, his first thought being that Domino is not safe. He frantically shouts for a doctor, demanding to know where Domino is. The doctor calmly assures him that she's recovering in another bed a few rooms down. Bond tears out of bed and runs to her room where he finds her and she tells him, "You are to stay here. Do you understand? You are not to go away." Upon finding Domino alive, relief floods through Bond and he immediately falls asleep on the rug next to her bed. She pulls her pillow over to the edge of the mattress so she can see his face any time she wants to, and they both drift off asleep. I think the scene nicely shows Bond's resolve in taking responsibility for a girl, as well as said girl's gratefulness for being 'saved' over the course of the movie by Bond.

2. Bond is exploring the wreckage of the Vulcan when he shines his torch on the interior of the plane's compartment, only to find that the entire compartment crawling "evilly, horribly" with red-eyed comets (octopi). The creepiest part of the scene is one of the crew members floating there, suspended in water, with octopi hanging from him like bats, who let go of their hold and shoot, "jet-propelled, to and fro inside the plane--dreadful, glinting, red-eyed comets that slapped themselves into dark corners and stealthily squeezed themselves into cracks and under seats."

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 07:30 PM

1. "Thunderball" has a great ending scene which surprisingly has yet to be adapted in any Bond film to my recollection. Bond is holed up in a hospital to recover after the underwater climax. He has become emotionally attached to Domino and jolts awake, his first thought being that Domino is not safe. He frantically shouts for a doctor, demanding to know where Domino is. The doctor calmly assures him that she's recovering in another bed a few rooms down. Bond tears out of bed and runs to her room where he finds her and she tells him, "You are to stay here. Do you understand? You are not to go away." Upon finding Domino alive, relief floods through Bond and he immediately falls asleep on the rug next to her bed. She pulls her pillow over to the edge of the mattress so she can see his face any time she wants to, and they both drift off asleep. I think the scene nicely shows Bond's resolve in taking responsibility for a girl, as well as said girl's gratefulness for being 'saved' over the course of the movie by Bond.


I think that's a terrific idea for a scene that fits wonderfully with the background I had in mind for Domino. Brilliantly done. :) :tup:

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 08:02 PM

Perhaps we could combine J. Derval and the Kutze figure to make him an older nuclear expert reluctantly in league with SPECTRE? He might only be doing it so Domino (Dominique?) is safe; if he tries to warn her at any time, Largo's flirting love affair can turn into an arrange "suicide" like that.

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 08:16 PM

Great idea with the commedia dell'arte killers, CT. I wouldn't want to use it for Fiona's (or Aella's) death, though, as such a troupe is rarely seen outside of Europe (outside of Italy, even), and I'd want her to last to Indonesia.

Seducing a gay man - could work, as long as it isn't played for laughs (maybe Bond's discomfort with it is, but the character he's seducing and the idea of two men together isn't) and the seducee doesn't die.

I like the ending suggestion and love Domino's line.

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 08:21 PM

Seducing a gay man - could work, as long as it isn't played for laughs (maybe Bond's discomfort with it is, but the character he's seducing and the idea of two men together isn't) and the seducee doesn't die.


I have a hard time seeing how it could be done in a way that isn't played for laughs. Bond has been built up over the last 40-50 years as being primarily known as a serial womanizer, that such a scene would come across, whether intended or not, as being done for the comedy of it. If one of the core aspects of the Bond character wasn't that he was a womanizer and misogynist, then it would easily be a scene that could be played seriously.

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 08:36 PM


Seducing a gay man - could work, as long as it isn't played for laughs (maybe Bond's discomfort with it is, but the character he's seducing and the idea of two men together isn't) and the seducee doesn't die.


I have a hard time seeing how it could be done in a way that isn't played for laughs. Bond has been built up over the last 40-50 years as being primarily known as a serial womanizer, that such a scene would come across, whether intended or not, as being done for the comedy of it. If one of the core aspects of the Bond character wasn't that he was a womanizer and misogynist, then it would easily be a scene that could be played seriously.


As I said, Bond's discomfort can be played for laughs, but the character he's seducing should not be a mincing stereotype, and we should in no way cater to the "eww, gross, guys kissing" teenage boy sensibility.

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 08:39 PM



Seducing a gay man - could work, as long as it isn't played for laughs (maybe Bond's discomfort with it is, but the character he's seducing and the idea of two men together isn't) and the seducee doesn't die.


I have a hard time seeing how it could be done in a way that isn't played for laughs. Bond has been built up over the last 40-50 years as being primarily known as a serial womanizer, that such a scene would come across, whether intended or not, as being done for the comedy of it. If one of the core aspects of the Bond character wasn't that he was a womanizer and misogynist, then it would easily be a scene that could be played seriously.


As I said, Bond's discomfort can be played for laughs, but the character he's seducing should not be a mincing stereotype, and we should in no way cater to the "eww, gross, guys kissing" teenage boy sensibility.


I don't think that any of it should be played for laughs, to be honest.

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 08:49 PM




Seducing a gay man - could work, as long as it isn't played for laughs (maybe Bond's discomfort with it is, but the character he's seducing and the idea of two men together isn't) and the seducee doesn't die.


I have a hard time seeing how it could be done in a way that isn't played for laughs. Bond has been built up over the last 40-50 years as being primarily known as a serial womanizer, that such a scene would come across, whether intended or not, as being done for the comedy of it. If one of the core aspects of the Bond character wasn't that he was a womanizer and misogynist, then it would easily be a scene that could be played seriously.


As I said, Bond's discomfort can be played for laughs, but the character he's seducing should not be a mincing stereotype, and we should in no way cater to the "eww, gross, guys kissing" teenage boy sensibility.


I don't think that any of it should be played for laughs, to be honest.


Er, didn't you just say it couldn't be done any other way? Or did you mean it would be unavoidably funny despite our best efforts?

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 09:05 PM

Instead of Bond evading pursuers at the mardi gras in the Bahamas, he instead encouters a public performance of the commedia dell'arte in some form. This could possibly be worked into the death of Aella Morderczy (if it's not already taken). Most importantly, one of the assassins would be dressed as the pulcinella. In fact, there may be a entire band of SPECTRE assassins/operations team (or whoever is taking the place of SPECTRE) disguised as various characters from the commedia dell'arte.

Another possible idea that could be played with would be SPECTRE (or whoever) acquiring the world's only unaccounted-for nuclear device. This was played with in THE SUM OF ALL FEARS with an Israeli bomber being shot down the its nuclear payload acquired by a group of Syrians. Perhaps it could be a third nuclear device intended for Japan that for some reason never made it to its target, or a Nazi U-boat carrying a prototype nuclear device in secret to Crimea for use against the Russians, but it ran aground in the Black Sea before it could reach its destination. Or a Russian submarine that ran aground in Franz Josef Land during training exercises and was eventually frozen into the islands.

Also, a sequence where Bond has to seduce a man. I know this is controversial and was little more than tabloid fodder a few years ago, but it could be an interesting sequence if done right. MI6 need Bond to target an openly-gay man (sexuality was one of the easiest ways to turn an agent during the Cold War) and get vital information out of him. In order to do this, Bond has to seduce the man. They don't have to kiss or sleep together, but Bond needs to get the information as quickly as possible, and he believes seduction is the easiest way forward. In fact, M may even be the one to suggest the tactic as a starting point.


Glad to see you're sticking around - albeit temporarily.

1) The commedia dell'arte idea could work, if it works with the chosen location.

2) I think we could definitely consider one of these options.

3) Bond seducing a gay man? Definitely not - this isn't the direction I'd want to take. It would either be played incredibly comedically or it would be plain uncomfortable - and I can't see it getting the thumbs up if the film were made.

The background I promised for Domino (I tried to incorporate bits of Fleming's character, namely the fact that she was an actress, :

Dominique "Domino" Derval (portrayed by Delphine Chanéac): Born into a wealthy French family, Domino lost both of her parents in an accident early in her teenage years. Eventually, she went on to make it big French cinema in her early 20s, as well as doing some work as a model. Shipping magnate Edvard Largo (Stellan Skarsgard) got his hooks into her, getting her to fall for him before he began controlling her career, which he eventually runs into the ground because studio executives refuse to deal with him any longer. He also physically and mentally abuses her on top of helping her develop a drug habit, but instead of leaving him, she eventually develops Stockholm Syndrome, which is not helped by the fact that Largo makes an effort to keep her around by providing her with whatever drugs she desires. Bond sees her as both a means to an end to get to Largo as well as someone who needs to be saved from the situation that she's in.


I think this could work perfectly with her father being a UN Arms Inspector :D

So, as I said, there are some great moments from Fleming's "Thunderball" that have as yet been untouched in the film universe. Here are a few I'd like to see incorporated into our version:

1. "Thunderball" has a great ending scene which surprisingly has yet to be adapted in any Bond film to my recollection. Bond is holed up in a hospital to recover after the underwater climax. He has become emotionally attached to Domino and jolts awake, his first thought being that Domino is not safe. He frantically shouts for a doctor, demanding to know where Domino is. The doctor calmly assures him that she's recovering in another bed a few rooms down. Bond tears out of bed and runs to her room where he finds her and she tells him, "You are to stay here. Do you understand? You are not to go away." Upon finding Domino alive, relief floods through Bond and he immediately falls asleep on the rug next to her bed. She pulls her pillow over to the edge of the mattress so she can see his face any time she wants to, and they both drift off asleep. I think the scene nicely shows Bond's resolve in taking responsibility for a girl, as well as said girl's gratefulness for being 'saved' over the course of the movie by Bond.

2. Bond is exploring the wreckage of the Vulcan when he shines his torch on the interior of the plane's compartment, only to find that the entire compartment crawling "evilly, horribly" with red-eyed comets (octopi). The creepiest part of the scene is one of the crew members floating there, suspended in water, with octopi hanging from him like bats, who let go of their hold and shoot, "jet-propelled, to and fro inside the plane--dreadful, glinting, red-eyed comets that slapped themselves into dark corners and stealthily squeezed themselves into cracks and under seats."


1. Definitely a good idea - I'd also suggest that there should be a minimum of romantic activity between Bond and Domino.

2. Given we're not necessarily using the theft of the Vulcan as a plot point, we might need to use an alternative method of getting this in if we do want to use it. And I could see it being a creepy sequence if done right.

Perhaps we could combine J. Derval and the Kutze figure to make him an older nuclear expert reluctantly in league with SPECTRE? He might only be doing it so Domino (Dominique?) is safe; if he tries to warn her at any time, Largo's flirting love affair can turn into an arrange "suicide" like that.


I think the idea that Derval is being blackmailed into working for SPECTRE, using the fate of his daughter as the ammo behind the blackmail could work perfectly.

Great idea with the commedia dell'arte killers, CT. I wouldn't want to use it for Fiona's (or Aella's) death, though, as such a troupe is rarely seen outside of Europe (outside of Italy, even), and I'd want her to last to Indonesia.

Seducing a gay man - could work, as long as it isn't played for laughs (maybe Bond's discomfort with it is, but the character he's seducing and the idea of two men together isn't) and the seducee doesn't die.


Re: Aella, if she is the Fiona/Fatima equivalent, she is basically the chief henchman so she should last until the equivalent of the Bahamas/Nice, in this case, presumably Indonesia.

I have a hard time seeing how it could be done in a way that isn't played for laughs. Bond has been built up over the last 40-50 years as being primarily known as a serial womanizer, that such a scene would come across, whether intended or not, as being done for the comedy of it. If one of the core aspects of the Bond character wasn't that he was a womanizer and misogynist, then it would easily be a scene that could be played seriously.


As I said, Bond's discomfort can be played for laughs, but the character he's seducing should not be a mincing stereotype, and we should in no way cater to the "eww, gross, guys kissing" teenage boy sensibility.


I don't think that any of it should be played for laughs, to be honest.


I mentioned my thoughts on this above - and it's definitely not something I want to see happening in the movie. I could see a tip of the hat to the concept when Bond and Felix arrive at a function hosted by Largo (equivalent to the scene in NSNA where Bond plays the computer game against Largo) and they're on the guest list as 'Mr Fisher - and husband ...' Bond mutters as they enter, 'I'm going to kill Bill when I get back to London -'

Keep up the good work, guys!

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 09:14 PM

Er, didn't you just say it couldn't be done any other way? Or did you mean it would be unavoidably funny despite our best efforts?


I meant the latter of the two. Like terminus said, it's going to come across as either a comedic scene (not the direction that the film should be going), or just plain uncomfortable because it's just there to play off against the 40-50 year traits of the Bond character.


I think this could work perfectly with her father being a UN Arms Inspector


Another trait I'd like to add to her would be that, most likely through her drug use, the majority of her hair has fallen out (Delphine Chanéac looks stunning with a shaved head, as evidenced by a picture that appears in a quick Google image search), but wears a wig in an effort to convince herself that she's still a gorgeous movie star/model. Maybe a heartwrenching scene later in the film could be her having an emotional breakdown (maybe on the beach, in a nod to the "I think he got the point" scene in the original film), where it's somehow revealed to Bond (either due to it falling off while she's attacked by one of Largo's henchmen or maybe she feels so safe in Bond's presence that she reveals it to him on her own).

1. Definitely a good idea - I'd also suggest that there should be a minimum of romantic activity between Bond and Domino.


My suggestion on this (and I do agree 100% with your point on this) would be to have Domino want a relationship with Bond. She's just come out of a long, abusive "relationship" with Largo, and feels a deep emotional connection with Bond due to the fact that she perceives him as the one that has saved her from Largo. In this case, Bond would be the one that would keep the relationship from happening, even though he's attracted to her, because he would rather see her go on to a more healthy relationship and have a happy remainder of her life, which is not something he would be able to provide her (which would be primarily due to his job/lifestyle, as well as the fact that he's 30-some years older than she is).

Edited by tdalton, 25 December 2010 - 09:32 PM.


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Posted 25 December 2010 - 10:18 PM


Seducing a gay man - could work, as long as it isn't played for laughs (maybe Bond's discomfort with it is, but the character he's seducing and the idea of two men together isn't) and the seducee doesn't die.


I have a hard time seeing how it could be done in a way that isn't played for laughs. Bond has been built up over the last 40-50 years as being primarily known as a serial womanizer, that such a scene would come across, whether intended or not, as being done for the comedy of it. If one of the core aspects of the Bond character wasn't that he was a womanizer and misogynist, then it would easily be a scene that could be played seriously.


I'm really not in favor of such a scene, either. Even if they play it straight, it's unavoidable that it's going to come off as unintentionally funny anyway, as it gets into Carry On Bond/SNL skit territory.

So, regarding the Largo/Bond "duel" scene, since NSNA did a videogame, should we go even further down that path and have Bond and Largo enter some kind of virtual reality simulator, putting them both into a Call of Duty style war/combat environment? In this virtual world, they would both have enhanced abilities, like being able to jump higher and run faster etc. Largo would win the first round or two, but then Bond quickly learns the ropes and turns the tables on him.

Or they could play ping-pong, I dunno.

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 10:22 PM

So, regarding the Largo/Bond "duel" scene, since NSNA did a videogame, should we go even further down that path and have Bond and Largo enter some kind of virtual reality simulator, putting them both into a Call of Duty style war/combat environment? In this virtual world, they would both have enhanced abilities, like being able to jump higher and run faster etc. Largo would win the first round or two, but then Bond quickly learns the ropes and turns the tables on him.


I think it could be an interesting concept to look at. Where you thinking maybe something along the lines of being something like out of TRON. Obviously, Bond and Largo wouldn't be literally sucked into the digital world, but rather have digital representations of themselves battling it out in a world like that?

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 10:27 PM


So, regarding the Largo/Bond "duel" scene, since NSNA did a videogame, should we go even further down that path and have Bond and Largo enter some kind of virtual reality simulator, putting them both into a Call of Duty style war/combat environment? In this virtual world, they would both have enhanced abilities, like being able to jump higher and run faster etc. Largo would win the first round or two, but then Bond quickly learns the ropes and turns the tables on him.


I think it could be an interesting concept to look at. Where you thinking maybe something along the lines of being something like out of TRON. Obviously, Bond and Largo wouldn't be literally sucked into the digital world, but rather have digital representations of themselves battling it out in a world like that?


I was thinking it would be a completely real-world looking place, maybe a bombed-out warzone or somewhere else made to look like a battle zone. And yeah, Bond and Largo would both appear in the game as themselves, maybe each would be leading a team of men or something, but of course Bond and Largo are the two last men standing. Maybe Largo can try and cheat as well by using shortcuts not available to Bond, but Bond still manages to beat him.

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 10:30 PM



So, regarding the Largo/Bond "duel" scene, since NSNA did a videogame, should we go even further down that path and have Bond and Largo enter some kind of virtual reality simulator, putting them both into a Call of Duty style war/combat environment? In this virtual world, they would both have enhanced abilities, like being able to jump higher and run faster etc. Largo would win the first round or two, but then Bond quickly learns the ropes and turns the tables on him.


I think it could be an interesting concept to look at. Where you thinking maybe something along the lines of being something like out of TRON. Obviously, Bond and Largo wouldn't be literally sucked into the digital world, but rather have digital representations of themselves battling it out in a world like that?


I was thinking it would be a completely real-world looking place, maybe a bombed-out warzone or somewhere else made to look like a battle zone. And yeah, Bond and Largo would both appear in the game as themselves, maybe each would be leading a team of men or something, but of course Bond and Largo are the two last men standing. Maybe Largo can try and cheat as well by using shortcuts not available to Bond, but Bond still manages to beat him.


That sounds like a pretty good idea. It's a nice extrapolation of the NSNA scene into a modern setting.

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 10:32 PM

I have to second tdalton's thoughts on the VR/HR simulation - excellent idea, dinovelvet. I'd love to see it used in the treatment somehow.

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 10:37 PM

For my third idea (I think we were allowed three to add to the collective total, If I'm not mistaken), since there's not much casting left to do, I don't think, I had an idea for a closing song for the film. Even though this is an alternative timeline, I think a call back to the fact that both of Dalton's films featured pop songs in their closing titles (and within the main body of the films themselves), that it might be acceptable here. I think that this song would be a tremendous way of moving out of coco1997's excellent final scene of the film and into the credits, and it has a bit of an "If You Asked Me To" vibe to it. Or, if not the song itself, maybe an original song by the two artists in question.

"Awake" - Josh Groban featuring Idina Menzel

Edited by tdalton, 25 December 2010 - 10:41 PM.


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Posted 25 December 2010 - 11:43 PM

I'll listen to the song when my computer decides to cooperate.

I'll also knock together a summary of what's been decided so far - and then we can build upon that.

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 12:13 AM

With regards to the commedia dell'arte troupe, perhaps they could be introduced early in the story performing their theatre. They re-appear later in Indonesia as a SPECTRE special operations team, using their costumes to conceal their identities.

And another idea, based on Anthony Burgess' rejected screenplay for THE SPY WHO LOVED ME:

Once the villains know that Bond is onto them, they install a fail-safe for the nuclear device - inside Domino. She has something surgically-implanted inside her that receives a signal from the bomb. If the signal stops (because the bomb is defused), the device inside Domino will kill her. When Bond finds out about it, he has to use an X-ray machine and an acupuncture needle to stop the device inside Domino.

I'm not sure whether it's an actual X-ray machine, but there is a diagnositic imaging device that works in a similar way, but doesn't take pictures so much as it does "live video". Kind of like a cross between an ultrasound and an X-ray machine. Bond could use that.

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 12:31 AM

With regards to the commedia dell'arte troupe, perhaps they could be introduced early in the story performing their theatre. They re-appear later in Indonesia as a SPECTRE special operations team, using their costumes to conceal their identities.

And another idea, based on Anthony Burgess' rejected screenplay for THE SPY WHO LOVED ME:

Once the villains know that Bond is onto them, they install a fail-safe for the nuclear device - inside Domino. She has something surgically-implanted inside her that receives a signal from the bomb. If the signal stops (because the bomb is defused), the device inside Domino will kill her. When Bond finds out about it, he has to use an X-ray machine and an acupuncture needle to stop the device inside Domino.

I'm not sure whether it's an actual X-ray machine, but there is a diagnositic imaging device that works in a similar way, but doesn't take pictures so much as it does "live video". Kind of like a cross between an ultrasound and an X-ray machine. Bond could use that.


I do think that it is worth considering the acting troupe being a cover for a group of killers, but it will need to feel right for the story and it may not fit - so don't feel offended if it gestates into something unexpected in the course of the story.

Re: the bomb being planted inside Domino. I'm not keen - it just seems a bit too OTT for what looks like it could be a relatively grounded treatment. That said, something similar was done in The Transporter 3 where Frank couldn't move too far away from his car or else it would explode.

Working on the summary as we speak.

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 12:34 AM

Re: the bomb being planted inside Domino. I'm not keen - it just seems a bit too OTT for what looks like it could be a relatively grounded treatment. That said, something similar was done in The Transporter 3 where Frank couldn't move too far away from his car or else it would explode.


That was pretty much what I was thinking. In addition to TRANSPORTER 3, a similar idea was used in MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE 3 as well. Plus, I think having Bond stick a massive acupuncture needle into Domino, given her history of and current drug use, wouldn't necessarily be a good way of getting her to fall/sympathize/whatever for Bond or make it easy for her to view him as the man who can save her from her situation. That would pretty much shut the door on Bond potentially getting information on Largo out of Domino.

Edited by tdalton, 26 December 2010 - 12:47 AM.


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Posted 26 December 2010 - 12:56 AM

Re: the bomb being planted inside Domino. I'm not keen - it just seems a bit too OTT for what looks like it could be a relatively grounded treatment. That said, something similar was done in The Transporter 3 where Frank couldn't move too far away from his car or else it would explode.


I feel that, if done subtly, this is just one the right side of believable. And on a related note having Bond and Largo duel in a virtual environment, especially a realistic one, is actually more OTT. I wouldn't want a repeat of that scene in DAD. Ideally something that's is possible, or at least practically conceivable, in 2010.

How important is Domino to SPECTRE? Just a plaything for Largo, perhaps one of many? Planting a bomb in her head implies significant effort and interest. If she's still related to Jack (or whoever this character ends up being) perhaps it is done to force his cooperation. Could still be done without her knowing about it, when she's unconscious for instance. Largo is a man who likes control. I'll think some more about his character and write something up along the lines of what tdalton has done with Domino.

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 01:07 AM

How important is Domino to SPECTRE? Just a plaything for Largo, perhaps one of many? Planting a bomb in her head implies significant effort and interest. If she's still related to Jack (or whoever this character ends up being) perhaps it is done to force his cooperation. Could still be done without her knowing about it, when she's unconscious for instance. Largo is a man who likes control. I'll think some more about his character and write something up along the lines of what tdalton has done with Domino.


I would think that Domino would be a character that would have enough information to be a threat to Largo were she to cross over and start helping the other side (which, obviously, she does). I think that most of her information would be simply on Largo himself, rather than on any plans SPECTRE might have. Maybe the information she can give Bond kind of jives with intelligence that he and Felix have come across, and putting those two pieces together the three are able to form the bigger picture regarding what's going on. But in terms of SPECTRE, I doubt they would think much, if anything, about Domino (maybe due to negligence on their part or just due to the fact that they believe Largo has her sufficiently controlled within their relationship).

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 01:22 AM

Re: the bomb being planted inside Domino. I'm not keen - it just seems a bit too OTT for what looks like it could be a relatively grounded treatment. That said, something similar was done in The Transporter 3 where Frank couldn't move too far away from his car or else it would explode.

I'm not thinking so much a bomb as something that will release poison into her bloodstream. It's largely there to distract Bond while the bad guys set the bomb up. Bond has to use an acupuncture needle because it's the only think small enough to be able to disarm the device inside Domino. And it wouldn't be in her head, either. Maybe in her chest, and Bond has to slip the needle between her ribs to switch it off. It could be a very tense sequence because the slightest slip of the needle could hit her spine, paralysing or killing her.

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 01:36 AM

I think Domino is important to J. Bouvar; she's his daughter, however corrupted by Largo's ways, and the thought of losing her... well, that's certainly enough for him to go through, however reluctantly, with SPECTRE's nuclear plot.

As an addendum, could Bond and Leiter go in with actual cover names, for once? Perhaps Bond could be "Mr. Swayze" (a nod to Pat's most famous character ;)) and Leiter could be "Mr. Llewelyn" (a nod to one of Brolin's more famous roles and dear old Desmond)? ;)