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Discussing Blood Stone's Ending (SPOILERS)


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#1 00Kevin

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 02:04 AM

wow! i did not expect that! personally I think there is no cooler way to end a film than with a cliffhanger and i always was disapointed that bond films didn't usually impliment this tactic and when Casino royale came out it was a treat! but I never would have expected a bond game to end in such manner. I was under the impression that greco was going to come back to be the main villian, but instead we are left with no clues as to who was behind all this at the end of the story.

so now i got that out of the way, its time to discuss. In case you forgot, or in case you don't care about getting spoiled, i'll refreshyour memory: after killing key (but not the main) baddies in russia and bangkok, bond figures out that nicole hunter was working as a mole the entire time; that she was using bond to kill pomerov in order to impress her boss. that boss, the main bad guy, is described as someone bigger than bond, and mi6 and EVERYTHING; that he is everywhere (hmm, this sounds farmiliar) but she refuses to give bond a name. Nicole is then gunned down by a drone plane passing overhead, presumably by the nameless ultra baddie and the story ends as a cliffhanger with the classic "james bond will return" having a more ominous sound to it.

So I wanted to create a thread to discuss this main baddie. is he an old friend or someone we've never met? we can discuss all espects about the future of this storyline. Here are some candidates for "nameless ultra baddie":

Quantum - I don't think quantum is involved, it doesn't really make sense to me if this was just quantum the whole time because we've been through all this stuff before. Bruce Feirstein was not involved in casino royale or QoS and is not the type of writer who needs to be recycling other people's villians. plus the developers mentioned that bloodstone is not part of the CR/QOS storyline.

Greco - now, I was under the impression that Greco was the main villian of this game, I thought i read that somewhere, maybe someone writing an article was confused? If memory serves, greco is last seen getting his rear end kicked by bond when his men speed away towards the acropolis. bond is forced to attack leave greeko in order to persue the fleeing terrorists. I dont believe we ever find out what happened to greeko, but presumable he escaped, meaning he could end up being the main bad guy. greeko is the only major character new to this game who did not die. still, greeko doesn't seem like ultra baddie, the fact that we met him in the opening scene pulling a small, perhaps poorly organized, terrorist job only to not hear from him for the rest of the tale makes me doubt that he has the amount of pull that nameless ultra baddie was alluded to having.

Guy on Phone - Shortly before her final drive, Nicole is in her office doing to phone meeting disucssion who will be the next hit. only one other voice is heard, the voice of a man, but this man did not strike me as an ultra villian, i go the impression that nicole was he highest ranked person on the call, judging from the way she directed the conversation ("I appreciate your concern but MI6 won't be a concern .... So we are all agreed? Porter will be our next target"), perhaps she was speaking on behalf of nameless ultra baddie? perhaps he was merely listening, only to speak if a need arised? or perhaps the voice on the phone did indeed belong to Nameless ultra baddie?

Pierce Brosnan - could it be that Pierce Brosnan still dispises Daniel Craig for taking his job and is out for revenge? I Think yes!

I have not heard any official word that the developers had planned on making this a series, but now it seems clear that they will be, and i'm sure preparations are very much underway. In her phone meeting, nicole mentions that the next target would be a british scientist/businessman named Simon Porter, so we could except to see him somewhere early in Bloodstone 2.

Aside from that? I think we're still pretty much in the dark. is there anything in the game that i missed?

Edited by 00Kevin, 03 November 2010 - 04:02 AM.


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Posted 03 November 2010 - 02:16 AM

wow! i did not expect that! personally I think there is no cooler way to end a film than with a cliffhanger and i always was disapointed that bond films didn't usually impliment this tactic and when Casino royale came out it was a treat! but I never would have expected a bond game to end in such manner. I was under the impression that greeko was going to come back to be the main villian, but instead we are left with no clues as to who was behind all this at the end of the story.

so now i got that out of the way, its time to discuss. In case you forgot, or in case you don't care about getting spoiled, i'll refreshyour memory: after killing key (but not the main) baddies in russia and bangkok, bond figures out that nicole hunter was working as a mole the entire time; that she was using bond to kill pomerov in order to impress her boss. that boss, the main bad guy, is described as someone bigger than bond, and mi6 and EVERYTHING; that he is everywhere (hmm, this sounds farmiliar) but she refuses to give bond a name. Nicole is then gunned down by a drone plane passing overhead, presumably by the nameless ultra baddie and the story ends as a cliffhanger with the classic "james bond will return" having a more ominous sound to it.

So I wanted to create a thread to discuss this main baddie. is he an old friend or someone we've never met? we can discuss all espects about the future of this storyline. Here are some candidates for "nameless ultra baddie":

Quantum - I don't think quantum is involved, it doesn't really make sense to me if this was just quantum the whole time because we've been through all this stuff before. Bruce Feirstein was not involved in casino royale or QoS and is not the type of writer who needs to be recycling other people's villians. plus the developers mentioned that bloodstone is not part of the CR/QOS storyline.

Greeko - now, I was under the impression that Greeko was the main villian of this game, I thought i read that somewhere, maybe someone writing an article was confused? If memory serves, greeko is last seen getting his rear end kicked by bond when his men speed away towards the acropolis. bond is forced to attack leave greeko in order to persue the fleeing terrorists. I dont believe we ever find out what happened to greeko, but presumable he escaped, meaning he could end up being the main bad guy. greeko is the only major character new to this game who did not die. still, greeko doesn't seem like ultra baddie, the fact that we met him in the opening scene pulling a small, perhaps poorly organized, terrorist job only to not hear from him for the rest of the tale makes me doubt that he has the amount of pull that nameless ultra baddie was alluded to having.

Guy on Phone - Shortly before her final drive, Nicole is in her office doing to phone meeting disucssion who will be the next hit. only one other voice is heard, the voice of a man, but this man did not strike me as an ultra villian, i go the impression that nicole was he highest ranked person on the call, judging from the way she directed the conversation ("I appreciate your concern but MI6 won't be a concern .... So we are all agreed? Porter will be our next target"), perhaps she was speaking on behalf of nameless ultra baddie? perhaps he was merely listening, only to speak if a need arised? or perhaps the voice on the phone did indeed belong to Nameless ultra baddie?

Pierce Brosnan - could it be that Pierce Brosnan still dispises Daniel Craig for taking his job and is out for revenge? I Think yes!

I have not heard any official word that the developers had planned on making this a series, but now it seems clear that they will be, and i'm sure preparations are very much underway. In her phone meeting, nicole mentions that the next target would be a british scientist/businessman named Simon Porter, so we could except to see him somewhere early in Bloodstone 2.

Aside from that? I think we're still pretty much in the dark. is there anything in the game that i missed?

i totally agree with this. i was totally caught off guard by the ending in a good way. hopefully it comes out next year i want more!!!

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 02:19 AM

Cliffhanger? Nice!

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 02:46 AM

My question is this: At what point does Bond make the connection that Nicole betrayed him, and what is it that tips him off?

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 02:52 AM

So, who is this Rak that one of the reviews refers to as the villain?

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 03:04 AM

So, who is this Rak that one of the reviews refers to as the villain?

He's the villain in Bangkok. He's the guy Bond believes had the researcher of the bioweapon (Tedworth) kidnapped/killed.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 03:11 AM

Ah, rightio - thankyou :D

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 04:01 AM

My question is this: At what point does Bond make the connection that Nicole betrayed him, and what is it that tips him off?


yea, i was a little confused about this. I should replay the burma section, perhaps i missed something...

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 10:08 PM

ok, after replaying the bangkok and burma sections, I figured out why bond knew nicole was involved

at the very begining of the berma segment, bond is about to be tortured by Rak. Rak pulls out a large platinum knife and mentions that it is encrusted in diamonds. somewhere between then and the final fight with Rak bond comes to a realization that the craftsmanship matches that of nicoles. nicole had mentioned earlier that she works with diamonds and designed jewelry, she must have made the knife for Rak, either as a gift or a purchase. this is why when nicole is on the phone in monaco she gets a package with the knife inside and she panics. A little weak i think, it obviously wasn't done well enough to make it clear to us on the first run through. but this also clarifies the choice of title "bloodstone" because it is a large red diamond that acts as the final clue to help bond solve this mystery

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 01:37 AM

Yes, the ending was incredible, not only the final cinematic, but the frantic car chase leading up to it. I had a stupid grin on my face for the whole thing. I really hope we get to see this story line finished, this was definitely a ballsy manuever and I was very pleased with it. This was hands down the most satisfying ending we've ever had in a Bond game. Shame the rest doesn't quite live up to it.

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 05:02 AM

Just finished. Only took two days but I'm pleasantly pleased with the story line and I didn't see Nicole being a traitor at all. Great script by Feirstein.

I love the last shot leaving Bond on the bridge. Reminded me of a Dirty Harry movie when he's left just with his thoughts.

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 06:54 AM

I nominate the final chase with nicole as the best vehical chase of any bond game. thoughts?

I hated the istambul driving level because it equired you to go slow, use the handbrake and make careful turns or else you fall in the water, this was just not bond to me. the monaco chase was pure speed, pure energy, pure bond

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 07:15 PM

Watched the ending yesterday on YouTube...

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 08:33 PM

ok, after replaying the bangkok and burma sections, I figured out why bond knew nicole was involved

at the very begining of the berma segment, bond is about to be tortured by Rak. Rak pulls out a large platinum knife and mentions that it is encrusted in diamonds. somewhere between then and the final fight with Rak bond comes to a realization that the craftsmanship matches that of nicoles. nicole had mentioned earlier that she works with diamonds and designed jewelry, she must have made the knife for Rak, either as a gift or a purchase. this is why when nicole is on the phone in monaco she gets a package with the knife inside and she panics. A little weak i think, it obviously wasn't done well enough to make it clear to us on the first run through. but this also clarifies the choice of title "bloodstone" because it is a large red diamond that acts as the final clue to help bond solve this mystery


We established that as 'the' moment awhile back - it's just such a weak, insignificant connection and as an overall catch/scheme, doesn't live up to the promise the rest of the game creates.

Now I'm just getting pretentious. ;)

Ultimately, Blood Stone has more in common with QOS (film) than I want to admit. Stylish, rich, thoroughly considered - but missing a fundamental heart to really juice everything they can out of a cool central concept.

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 08:37 PM

There's also evidence of Nicole found in the intelligence gathered in Burma off of laptops and the like.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 04:48 AM

Yeah but nothing was revealed, only that she went back to Monaco of course.

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 04:16 AM

ok, after replaying the bangkok and burma sections, I figured out why bond knew nicole was involved

at the very begining of the berma segment, bond is about to be tortured by Rak. Rak pulls out a large platinum knife and mentions that it is encrusted in diamonds. somewhere between then and the final fight with Rak bond comes to a realization that the craftsmanship matches that of nicoles. nicole had mentioned earlier that she works with diamonds and designed jewelry, she must have made the knife for Rak, either as a gift or a purchase. this is why when nicole is on the phone in monaco she gets a package with the knife inside and she panics. A little weak i think, it obviously wasn't done well enough to make it clear to us on the first run through. but this also clarifies the choice of title "bloodstone" because it is a large red diamond that acts as the final clue to help bond solve this mystery


That is exactly it. In other words the blood stone is "The Property of a Lady."

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 08:38 AM

My question is this: At what point does Bond make the connection that Nicole betrayed him, and what is it that tips him off?


At the Casino in Monaco, MI6 intel shows a money clip designed by Hunter and given to Pomerov as a gift; it states that one trademark of Nicole's designs is the use of a stone with red strains; just like the knife Rak shows to Bond in Burma. I thought the device was kind of weak before considering this detail.

Something that still puzzles my mind is the fact that Bond drives the DB5 in Istambul; it just happened that his other car, earned in Casino Royale, was next to Bernin's armored SUV. (I know it is the car from Goldfinger though)

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 03:43 PM

About the cliffanger thing, I don't mind if they follow up the story in the next game/film (I.e. CR-QOS). But I wouldn't want a cliffhanger in the style of QOS the game where Bond is about to break into Mr White and Haines meeting and then nothing happens.