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[Marcato]

Now don't come and say that i don't help you.

The cue you posted here is Gobinda Attacks, and as far I can hear, the celli don't play that in the Gondola Chase.

Go send John Barry a quick e-mail that you don't like his bass orchestration for a score that was never adequately commercially released in the first place - I'm sure he'll be glad to feel that pain once again.

yes this is gobinda attacks but string work remains the same through all bond theme from the classical bond theme - only changed a bit for The Gondola Chase and Ice Chase.

Woodwind and Brass are a different matters of course. We see the OCTOPUSSY bond-theme arrangment in AVTAK gunbarrel and yet the bond theme in MAY DAY JUMPS are the same arrangement used in EXERCISE AT GIBRALTAR.


they do play that - the MIDI version i have for GONDOLA CHASE - you have heard it - has the same orchestration in deep bass but the tempo it faster. it's the way of playing that makes it.

and the bras sections does have a word on that E note - i belive it's the viola that are the changing instruement or a play between viola and violin 2.


Nic Raine uses this orchestration bass-line and Arnold used the contrabass part for the gunbarrel in TND. I believe this is the orchestration. and if you remove the tenuto-line (not slur) and replace it with an accent

Edited by Marcato, 25 October 2010 - 09:42 PM.

[gkgyver]

Can someone send me a rip of the NTSC version of the "Here Is To Us" scene?
I only have the PAL version, which has that pesky pitch-shift.

[gkgyver]

Here Is To Us:

[The Shark]

Strings need to be sord, along with some more vibrato, and there's a subtle portamento slide for the strings at around 0:35 with the C minor chord.

[gkgyver]

Sadly, I have no control over the vibrato right now, and I can't reproduce portamento.
You mean the harmony is con sordino or the melody? Also the opening strings, I suppose?

I wondered why the strings sounded a bit different, but I didn't think of c. sord. - I also chalked it up to the recording quality.
I'm not used to hearing that ... or I probably never paid that close attention

[Bond... Raybond]

I've really enjoyed your Moonraker re-recordings. Moonraker is starting to look pretty much complete. I hope you can nail the Octopussy pre-credits music. I just wondered if you considered changing the thread title, as you've done more than just the Gondola Chase. Well done on all your hard work so far.

[gkgyver]

I wanted to do that a long time ago, but there is no Edit feature for me, or I don't see it.

EDIT: Could any mod please change the thread title to something like "James Bond Score re-recordings" or something of the like?

[mattjoes]

The flute at 0:24 should be playing G-A-F-G-D#-F-C#-D#-G#-A#-C.

[gkgyver]

I knew it wasn't right ... cool, thanks!

[The Shark]

Harmony at 0:36 should be C minor, not C7.

[gkgyver]

Expect the corrected version this weekend.

This is most likely the last recording I'll do ...

... with my current equipment
I'm updating to something a little more advanced, which will hopefully yield better results.

[The Shark]

Good luck with your new equipment mate, when ever it arrives.

Be sure to make sure it's got a decent plunger, straight, harmon and cup muted trumpet; muted trombones; stopped and muted horns; xylophones; vibraphones; alto flute; harpsichord; piano; double bass; tenor and alto saxes; and a good string section a variety of effects (i.e. bowed and fingered tremolo, sul ponticello etc...).

If you ever want to say re-record the missing THUNDERBALL cues, you're gonna need 4 flutes (Which all double to alto flutes and piccolos depending on the cue), and some nasty sounding brass.

[gkgyver]

If you ever want to say re-record the missing THUNDERBALL cues, you're gonna need 4 flutes (Which all double to alto flutes and piccolos depending on the cue), and some nasty sounding brass.

Was that a hint?

I was going to do the Octopussy pre-titles next.

And yes, nasty sounding brass is something I absolutely need. I was planning to get some East West/Quantum Leap.

[The Shark]

If you ever want to say re-record the missing THUNDERBALL cues, you're gonna need 4 flutes (Which all double to alto flutes and piccolos depending on the cue), and some nasty sounding brass.

Was that a hint?

Pretty big hint, since THUNDERBALL's my favourite Bond score. And because of that, I know it very well - including those unreleased cues. So I'll be sure to guide you through it, in terms of getting the harmony, orchestration, and even of size of the studio it was recorded in (if you have that function - I know some sound libraries do)

I was going to do the Octopussy pre-titles next.

That sounds great. You can also quickly access the movie on Youtube (while it's till up)

And yes, nasty sounding brass is something I absolutely need. I was planning to get some East West/Quantum Leap.

I hear Vienna brass is quite good. Not sure if it's the right sound though. From what I've heard, I'd recommended Wallander Instruments Orchestral & Band Brass, Woodwinds & Saxophones and Professional Edition Player (Or just one, depending on one's budget) - For that Barry sound, with the sharp Stan Kenton-esque attack. What's particularly good is that they have that range of mutes that I was talking about (Straight, harmon, cup, plunger etc...) for all of usual instruments.

[gkgyver]

I wasn't aware that there is significant unreleased material in Thunderball ...

The Wallander product looks freaking awesome! Do you use it yourself?

[The Shark]

I wasn't aware that there is significant unreleased material in Thunderball ...

After watching it yesterday, I was stuck by how much missing there is, particularly in the last third. From what I understand, when Lucas Kendall and co came round to restoring the score, they couldn't fit it all onto one CD, so they had to prioritise. Unfortunately not for a lot of us, some of our favourite cues were left out. Oh well, we shouldn't complain. They did a fine job.

Here's a list:

Seduction of Pat Fearing
Death of Derval
Bond meets Domino (film version)
Just a Small Fish - Lasts until Largo orders nods his head, ordering Quist's death.
Fiona's Wild Ride
A Cocktail for Paula
Escape from Palmyra/ Trapped in the Shark Pool
Bond and Fiona
Through the Camouflage
Domino's Loss
Disco Volante to Miami - Ends with Bond trapped in underwater cave.
Closed Doors - Ends with transition shot of Disco Volante - oddly at midday.
No Escape - Ends with the shot of Domino on the bed reflected on the ceiling mirror. Soundtrack album resumes in following scene, with Bond waiting at the bottom of the grotto.
Bombs aboard Underwater Chariots - Sounds like a re-tinkered alternative version or take, of 'The Bomb', from earlier in the score. Shouldn't be too hard to recreate, though.
Parachute Drop - Much slower version of the theme than you'll find on any of the album cues, followed by a similarly unreleased suspense build-up, where the soundtrack disappears for the initial combat, only to return as Bond dives to the scene - A much faster reinstatement of the 'Arrival' theme.

That's all I think (and hope)!

The Wallander product looks freaking awesome! Do you use it yourself?

No, I compose strictly by pen and paper - Though there was I time when I was interested in buying one, hence I listened to a lot of demos.

[gkgyver]

Seems like there are indeed a few unreleased bits and alternates.
Funny how the older scores were longer. Full scores to Moonraker or Octopussy, or other Moores, can fit on one disc easily.

Pencil and paper is preferrable, but surely you must record it somehow? Don't tell me you actually have orchestras at your disposal ...!

[marktmurphy]

I was going to do the Octopussy pre-titles next.

I'd never really noticed [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gijZQV6J3E"#t=7m01s""]this little cue[/url] from the very end of Octopussy before; it's rather sweet.

[gkgyver]

It is, but I think this is one of the weakest "Bond nails girl" finales of the series, next to Die Another Day.

[The Shark]

Pencil and paper is preferrable, but surely you must record it somehow? Don't tell me you actually have orchestras at your disposal ...!

I have one. It's a college orchestra, but they're quite good. I haven't managed recordings yet, but I'll get round it.

When they perform a piece of mine, I always conduct.

[gkgyver]

[The Shark]

That still sounds more like C7 than C minor, at 0:36.

[gkgyver]

Of course it does, I misread your post and didn't double-check ...
I thought it was regular C major istead of C7 ...

I fixed it and wanted to upload it on Youtube, but somehow the upload gets stuck every time.

[gkgyver]

[gkgyver]

WAV files of the Moonraker cues, except Gondola chase, which is MP3:

http://www.4shared.c.../Moonraker.html

[The Shark]

gkgyver: Could you please get round to the 'Bond drugged aboard Hercules' cue from THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS? I've always loved that one. It takes the WHEBG/Necros theme, and gives it a counter melody for horns, not found anywhere else in the score.

[Leo R.]

WAV files of the Moonraker cues, except Gondola chase, which is MP3:

http://www.4shared.c.../Moonraker.html

Thanks Gkgyver!
Love to see more!

...As for Moonraker, you haven't recorded the "0 gravity cue" yet...

Keep up the good work!

[The Shark]

Yep. Though from what I gather, he's getting adjusted to the new sample library he's got. And if you're lucky, it might have a female choir with it too!

[Satorious]

Deary me, I don't know what rock I've been hiding behind - but these cues are simply wonderful gkgyver! Well done, and thank you for all the hard work and effort you have put in to recording these (in particular Rivers and Pyramids, Here's to us and Gunbarrel/Hijack). Wow! Have you made any recent progress or has this project gone cold now? Hope not! I live in hope that one day I might hear a decent rendition of the the Horseback/Forest chase music from AVTAK amongst any other unreleased Barry cues. Keep up the good work!

[Leo R.]

I live in hope that one day I might hear a decent rendition of the the Horseback/Forest chase music from AVTAK amongst any other unreleased Barry cues.

I thought Rich Douglas' rendition of that cue was pretty decent.

Anyway, how's your project going, gkgyver?