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[scissorpuppy007]

Interesting that he still gets referred to as Bond even if he hasn't played the role in 8 years and has 3 diverse films out with a director like Roman Polanski and one with one of the hottest male stars out there, Robert Pattinson, not to mention his starring in one of the biggest movies in recent years, Mama Mia.

To this day Moore and Connery are still asked about Bond or referred to as Bond. Brosnan was a popular Bond and will probably be asked or referred to about it till the day he dies. It's kinds like being president, you may not still be in the chair after your term ends but you will always have the title.

Maybe EON felt his tenure had played out. Judging by many peoples opinions, both Connery and Moore's performances kind of fizzled out after 4 films (Connery got bored and Moore got too old). Maybe they just didn't want to go back down that road with Brosnan.

I also think it had to do with Michael G Wilson being eger to get Casino Royal/early bond made. He has wanted to reboot the series fresh since 1985. Let's face it the guy is nearly 70 years old. He probably felt like if he was ever going to get to produce a series of from from start to finish on his terms it was after DAD. Brosnan started with Goldeneye which was still under Cubby's (limited) watch, and still followed the "vague" time line started with DR No. Brosnan's age just didn't fit with the direction they wanted to go. Still with the four year gap between DAD and CR they could have given Brosnan a 5th film.

Edited by scissorpuppy007, 21 March 2010 - 08:15 PM.

[Attempting Re-entry]

A fifth film would've been nice for Brozza and would've rounded it off nicely...that 4-disc Brozza boxset always seems one movie light to me, and I say that as one who loves Daniel Craig's portrayal of the character.

Edited by Attempting Re-entry, 22 March 2010 - 10:32 AM.

[danslittlefinger]

Didn't see it's own thread so here is a pic form 'The Last Song' premiere in LA.

[elizabeth]

That's a cute picture.

[Bill]

Great pic! Is that the first time a Bond has been photographed with a Doctor Who companion (or in her case, the companion who never was but should have been!)

[Royal Dalton]

No, Dalton was in an episode of Marple with her a few years ago.

[J.B.]

Interesting that he still gets referred to as Bond even if he hasn't played the role in 8 years and has 3 diverse films out with a director like Roman Polanski and one with one of the hottest male stars out there, Robert Pattinson, not to mention his starring in one of the biggest movies in recent years, Mama Mia.

To this day Moore and Connery are still asked about Bond or referred to as Bond. Brosnan was a popular Bond and will probably be asked or referred to about it till the day he dies. It's kinds like being president, you may not still be in the chair after your term ends but you will always have the title.

Maybe EON felt his tenure had played out. Judging by many peoples opinions, both Connery and Moore's performances kind of fizzled out after 4 films (Connery got bored and Moore got too old). Maybe they just didn't want to go back down that road with Brosnan.

I also think it had to do with Michael G Wilson being eger to get Casino Royal/early bond made. He has wanted to reboot the series fresh since 1985. Let's face it the guy is nearly 70 years old. He probably felt like if he was ever going to get to produce a series of from from start to finish on his terms it was after DAD. Brosnan started with Goldeneye which was still under Cubby's (limited) watch, and still followed the "vague" time line started with DR No. Brosnan's age just didn't fit with the direction they wanted to go. Still with the four year gap between DAD and CR they could have given Brosnan a 5th film.

Wow. That is a good point and one I hadnt thought of regarding Wilson and his desire to do it on his own. I was in the CBn debate big time when they were in the reboot time period with Brosnan and others and I dont remember this being brought out. That very well could have been the motivation, (along with Babs being in love with Daniel Craig). At any rate, I too had wished that Broz had done a 5th and left on better terms.

[Sark2.0]

Bond doesn't miss Brosnan.

[Double-Oh Agent]

If McClory was still around I wouldn't doubt if him and Brosnan tried to pull a warhead lol.
I think Bond was something Brosnan held close to his heart. Maybe even closer than the other actors who played him before. They all owed the role to their super stardom but Connery seemed to want out (after a few films), Moore seemed to more interested in a paycheck(in his later films), Lazenby thought it was a sinking ship (LOL!). Dalton interested in playing bond not being bond (In the public's eye, being press shy). Brosnan seemed to really be attached to it on and off screen, if allowed he probably would have stayed longer than Moore did (which wouldn't have been a good thing).

To my knowledge he's also the only actor who was pretty much considered James Bond before he ever officially played him.

Who wouldn't miss playing James Bond. If Sean Connery can miss it (see his return in Never Say Never Again), then anyone can. George Lazenby has obviously missed it (at least periodically) which is proven by his continued willingness to attend fan events and such. Roger Moore never tires about talking about his tenure as 007. The only non-obvious example is Timothy Dalton. However, I would think it logical to assume that he occasionally misses Bond--although certainly not the publicity part of the job.

Scissorpuppy, you make a good point about Pierce Brosnan seemingly being very attached to the role of James Bond and I think you're right. And I just thought of a reason why this could be so. He is the first 007 to have actually grown up with the cinematic James Bond. When he first saw a Bond film--Goldfinger in 1964--he was 11, still in his formative years; and he was awestruck by it. Conversely, Connery was 32 when Dr. No came out, Lazenby was 23, Moore was 35, and Dalton was 18 (basically college age). Taking that into account, it's really not any wonder that Brosnan developed a strong attachment to 00--and then when he eventually landed the gig, to him it had to have been a dream come true.

By the way to all those "sackers" out there, Brosnan was not sacked/fired. His contract was simply not renewed. Sure he was disappointed and upset about not doing another film. After four financially successful films, still looking and performing great in the role as well as being beloved by the public and personally looking forward and expecting to doing another film (which EON post Die Another Day had intimated would happen), who wouldn't be disappointed and upset to have it end so suddenly. Sure, Brosnan could have handled it better and not said certain things (but even Connery has said negative things about EON), however, that is all in the past. He has since gotten over it and moved on. So should his detractors.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

I guess every of the 5 previous actors miss being Bond. Still a bit dissapointing how he left the series, but he was simply too old to play a ''beginning 007'' in Casino Royale.

P & W have explained that the script for CR originally featured am older seasoned Bond -much like the novel itself. Vesper represented the aging agent's last chance to leave his weary cloak-and-dagger lifestyle behind. There is no reason Pierce couldn't have played the role. Most of the prequel/reboot elements (aston martin, tux scene, having a martini, saying his name at the end) seem like gimmicky afterthoughts anyway. IMO the idea of a veteran Bond, (whom we've witnessed bed countless Bond girls), getting his manhood shillelaghed by Le Chiffre would have had much more dramatic effect.

I also think it had to do with Michael G Wilson being eger to get Casino Royal/early bond made. He has wanted to reboot the series fresh since 1985. Let's face it the guy is nearly 70 years old. He probably felt like if he was ever going to get to produce a series of from from start to finish on his terms it was after DAD.

You're probably right on this. My question is, in the long term, what good did the reboot do? All the changes are superficial. QOS is just as creatively bankrupt as the worst Brosnan entries. The series is back where it was at the end of DAD.

[Mr. Blofeld]

All the changes are superficial. QOS is just as creatively bankrupt as the worst Brosnan entries. The series is back where it was at the end of DAD.

Ahhh, quit pissing in the punchbowl, Facelift; we've already had enough crap vitriol about QOS from stamper and Shark.

Don't you dare try to pin the hole MGM dug themselves in on QOS; that's blaming the victim, and you know it.

[JimmyBond]

Just playing devils advocate here, but I don't see where he's trying to pin the MGM troubles on QoS. I may not agree with his opinions, but nowhere is he trying to blame QoS for the cause of anything.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

I guess every of the 5 previous actors miss being Bond. Still a bit dissapointing how he left the series, but he was simply too old to play a ''beginning 007'' in Casino Royale.

P & W have explained that the script for CR originally featured am older seasoned Bond -much like the novel itself. Vesper represented the aging agent's last chance to leave his weary cloak-and-dagger lifestyle behind. There is no reason Pierce couldn't have played the role. Most of the prequel/reboot elements (aston martin, tux scene, having a martini, saying his name at the end) seem like gimmicky afterthoughts anyway. IMO the idea of a veteran Bond, (whom we've witnessed bed countless Bond girls), getting his manhood shillelaghed by Le Chiffre would have had much more dramatic effect.
In the novel Bond isn't "an older seasoned", in fact is in the spoof of 1967 where Bond appears as an older seasoned

I also think it had to do with Michael G Wilson being eger to get Casino Royal/early bond made. He has wanted to reboot the series fresh since 1985. Let's face it the guy is nearly 70 years old. He probably felt like if he was ever going to get to produce a series of from from start to finish on his terms it was after DAD.

You're probably right on this. My question is, in the long term, what good did the reboot do? All the changes are superficial. QOS is just as creatively bankrupt as the worst Brosnan entries. The series is back where it was at the end of DAD.

Only that with all its faults that I have exposed here in plenty of threads, QOS is better than any of the Brosnan's Bond movies, IMO.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

In the novel Bond isn't "an older seasoned", in fact is in the spoof of 1967 where Bond appears as an older seasoned

He is most certainly NOT a rookie agent as the movie makes him out to be. The fact that 007 is complaining about the "the scent and smoke and sweat of a casino", as if he's used to it, implies that the mission wasn't his first rodeo. I don't want to have to reach for my dogeared copy of the novel, but if pressed for further details, I will.

Edited by Roger Moore's Bad Facelift, 24 May 2010 - 02:00 PM.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

Don't you dare try to pin the hole MGM dug themselves in on QOS; that's blaming the victim, and you know it.

Never once mentioned MGM's financial/legal troubles. Sorry. Those have been ongoing througout several eras of the franchise. A general feeling of "ok. now what?" pervades QOS. With or without MGM being in the red, I think the franchise is at a creative crossroads (yet again). They re-started the series and have no idea where to take it.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

Only that with all its faults that I have exposed here in plenty of threads, QOS is better than any of the Brosnan's Bond movies, IMO.

Pure style over substance. Forster wallpapers over the ad hoc script with frenetic editing. He's game, the threadbare storyline unfortunately is not. Easily the least Bond entry since TMWTGG.

[Colossus]

Well considering QOS is the worst Bond movie ever it can't be. Goldeneye is the best Bond since the 70s.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Well considering QOS is the worst Bond movie ever it can't be. Goldeneye is the best Bond since the 70s.

I'm confused; are you trying to be sarcastic, or just stating your opinion?

[jaguar007]

Well considering QOS is the worst Bond movie ever it can't be. Goldeneye is the best Bond since the 70s.

Have to totally disagree with you there. I would rate FYEO, TLD, LTK, and CR as far better movies than GE.

[The Shark]

Well considering QOS is the worst Bond movie ever it can't be.

Clearly you haven't The World Is Not Enough....

[DaltonCraig]

Media darling Brosnan loves to grab a headline every month or two with a "I miss Bond" story.

I'm so tired of his winging.

However, he is right about one thing. He never nailed the part.

[Colossus]

OK i jumped the gun on the GE debate but for the QOS one, i'd still take TWINE over it!

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

In the novel Bond isn't "an older seasoned", in fact is in the spoof of 1967 where Bond appears as an older seasoned

He is most certainly NOT a rookie agent as the movie makes him out to be. The fact that 007 is complaining about the "the scent and smoke and sweat of a casino", as if he's used to it, implies that the mission wasn't his first rodeo. I don't want to have to reach for my dogeared copy of the novel, but if pressed for further details, I will.

I don't really think so, that line of the novel only shows (just like in the movie) that Bond is an experienced gambler.

[level007]

I don't think Brosnan miss Bond because he was not renewed.
For me, it's because he always wanted a more artsy bond like Craig had with CR and QOS.
I remenber an interview he made while doing TND. He was saying that it would be good to have stronger director for the movies.
I guess he was very sad to see CR have so much success at the box office AND with the critics.
Brosnan's bond were not very good. I mean they were fun to watch at cinema, the trailers were great, but in the end, it was always the same thing... the same formula.

If i was brosnan, i'm sure i would miss it too...

Edited by level007, 27 May 2010 - 09:17 AM.

[The World Is Not Enough]

I don't think people realise how much being Bond meant to Brosnan. Apart from being a childhood dream for him, he was also married to a Bond girl who really wished for him to become Bond, but sadly died in the early 90's before that happened. I guess he felt he was living his wife's dream as well as his own. When he had his hopes up for a 5th movie and they dumped him through a phone call he would have been shattered, so you can forgive him for still being a little sore about the way things ended.

[SecretAgentFan]

I guess BOND meant for Brosnan mainly one thing: the center of his career. And being let go after delivering only huge hits with every Bond film he did, Brosnan was understandably surprised and pissed.

Also, he knew that his days of being a leading man were ended after that fateful phone call.

Luckily, he found a way to restart his career as a character actor.

[Aris007]

As much as we, fans, want to believe that Bond means the world to the six actors that have taken the role, it's all rubbish! Every actor sees Bond as another role in the row. They see it as a big step in their career.

The things they say that Bond is a dream come true and so, it's press stuff. The only real dream come true would be a Bond fan like any of us playing Bond at some time in his life!

[JimmyBond]

The things they say that Bond is a dream come true and so, it's press stuff. The only real dream come true would be a Bond fan like any of us playing Bond at some time in his life!

Well, as has been mentioned before (in this thread I think), Brosnan is the first Bond actor to have had the Bond films around during his childhood. So I think it's safe to say he was a fan before he became Bond. So I don't quite agree with your assessment that being Bond was "just another role" to him.