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[Ambler]

The thing with Drax, what makes him so fascinating and three-dimensional in my view, is his boisterous side, him socıalısing in the City, theaters, race horses, the Blades Club. All that really tabloid fodder, a bit of a rockstar quality.

Naturally absolutely over the top, truly crazy to hide himself in the headlines. Yet in the novel it works, mainly because most of it is only mentioned by Bond in passing.

The problem is that Drax in the book is meant to be popular with the British public because he's 'one of them', he's not 'top drawer'. Now that Eon has made Bond into a working class hero that aspect of Drax would no longer make any sense.

As with all these quandaries, the only answer is to make the novels as period pieces.

Edited by Ambler, 19 December 2009 - 04:55 PM.

[The Shark]

The problem is that Drax in the book is meant to be popular with the British public because he's 'one of them', he's not 'top drawer'. Now that Eon has made Bond into a working class hero that aspect of Drax would no longer make any ense.

Sorry, but where is the evidence of Bond becoming a "working class hero"? Could you quote me a scene or line, or elaborate on what you're referring to?

[Blonde Bond]

Miss Moneypenny

Why Lara Croft as Moneypenny? Why not Lara Croft as Bond girl? (and no. I don't mean the character Lara Croft. But ^ that lady there)

[Ambler]

The problem is that Drax in the book is meant to be popular with the British public because he's 'one of them', he's not 'top drawer'. Now that Eon has made Bond into a working class hero that aspect of Drax would no longer make any ense.

Sorry, but where is the evidence of Bond becoming a "working class hero"? Could you quote me a scene or line, or elaborate on what you're referring to?

Come on Shark, we all know the Eon Bondiverse is about shaking things up.

Leiter becomes black, M becomes a woman, Bond becomes working class.

You know it makes sense.

[volante]

Miss Moneypenny.

That way there would be a lynch pin in the office when M is replaced

[Trident]

The problem is that Drax in the book is meant to be popular with the British public because he's 'one of them', he's not 'top drawer'. Now that Eon has made Bond into a working class hero that aspect of Drax would no longer make any ense.

Sorry, but where is the evidence of Bond becoming a "working class hero"? Could you quote me a scene or line, or elaborate on what you're referring to?

Come on Shark, we all know the Eon Bondiverse is about shaking things up.

Leiter becomes black, M becomes a woman, Bond becomes working class.

You know it makes sense.

Actually no, it doesn't. I mean, I don't really see any evidence of Bond being 'working class' except if you want to see him that way. In effect, my opinion was always that even literary Bond is rather classless. He sports such a removed and dispassionate gift in observing his surroundings that to me always suggested someone not feeling any loyalty to a 'class' as an abstract concept. His declining of the K to his CBE seems to indicate a likewise set of mind supporting this impression.

[Ambler]

The point is that Bond is an establishment figure not some maverick who breaks into his superior's property. Let's not kid ourselves about this 'Bond rebooted' malarkey.

[The Shark]

The point is that Bond is an establishment figure not some maverick who breaks into his superior's property. Let's not kid ourselves about this 'Bond rebooted' malarkey.

I kind of agree, though isn't that all in the shoddy writing? Craig played an upper class imperialist very well in Sharpe.

[Ambler]

I kind of agree, though isn't that all in the shoddy writing? Craig played an upper class imperialist very well in Sharpe.

I'm certainly not having a go at Craig's acting ability, though I can't pretend that he looks like how I imagine Bond to be. Then again, Dalton c.TLD is the only 007 who ever looked right to me.

[Perilagu Khan]

I think The Shark is onto something, but instead of a Serbian, perhaps Drache and Krebs could be Bosnian Muslims with ties to Al Qaeda. Will never happen in a million years of course, but if Miccoli had the guts, this could be very good indeed.

[CJB]

I think we'll see an Israeli villain before we see an overtly Islamic one.

[Agent 76]

Q

[Salomé]

I think The Shark is onto something, but instead of a Serbian, perhaps Drache and Krebs could be Bosnian Muslims with ties to Al Qaeda. Will never happen in a million years of course, but if Miccoli had the guts, this could be very good indeed.

Bosnian Muslims are unlikely to have ties with AQ though. It wouldn't exactly be grounded in reality.

I think we'll see an Israeli villain before we see an overtly Islamic one.

If we're going for an Islamic villain, I wouldn't mind it being a Saudi. Now there's something that'll never happen.

[BryanHerbert]

i wish they would consider actually putting in a henchman that would be remembered, such as jaws, oddjob, nick-nack, etc... And BETTER villains. I'm tired of boring and dull characters. The characters help make the bond movies "Bond movies", if I'm correct on that. It would make the experience better for me, and probably a lot of other people who feel this way.

[Quantumofsolace007]

i wish they would consider actually putting in a henchman that would be remembered, such as jaws, oddjob, nick-nack, etc... And BETTER villains. I'm tired of boring and dull characters. The characters help make the bond movies "Bond movies", if I'm correct on that. It would make the experience better for me, and probably a lot of other people who feel this way.

When you say better do you mean over the top and More obvious.


I think Part of the beauty of le chiffe and Greene is that they are so reserved and subtly evil that they are far more interesting then any giant laser weilding supervillian.




As for fleming characters Liz Krest and Jack Spang

[BryanHerbert]

Not really, i just want the producers to create a more sophisticated character, not just pure evil. I understand the subtly evil part, but i think the producers are becoming dependent on it,and for me it's becoming overrated and fast. I want a villain, that is not only evil, and i want a villain that has something that makes him "who" he is.

Edited by BryanHerbert, 23 December 2009 - 10:57 AM.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Not really, i just want the producers to create a more sophisticated character, not just pure evil. I understand the subtly evil part, but i think the producers are becoming dependent on it,and for me it's becoming overrated and fast. I want a villain, that is not only evil, and i want a villain that has something that makes him "who" he is.

ok so your not one of the "letsd have meglomanaic for no other reason then it worked in 60's" good Had me worried there for a bit Bryan Personally I can see a good way to do this would be like a Red Grant character. I'd like to see a sadisic creepy man who calmy sits acorss from bond and explains how he is going to kill him rape his girlfriend then kill her. I think quantum has someone like that in there employment. As for the name of this Killer I kind of want a fleming name as for who should play him

Peter Wingfield

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0935057/



Come on Tell me this guy can't play a subtly evil red grant kind of character. Seriously I dare you Of all the ideas i have this one not only could work but it's the most possible out of all of them (mind you that is because I usualy go for directors and actress that give new meaning to the term underdog)


Character name Phillip Masters, Dr Shatterhand? ... I;'m not sure yet. Bryan is that what your looking for?