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[DominicGreene]

I'm thinking maybe if they are going to introduce Moneypenny, they may as well make her the main Bond girl, but just this once, which in this case, is Bond 23.

Thoughts?

[Quantumofsolace007]

I love this idea. It's risque but if done right could be amazing.

[Trident]

NOT A GOOD IDEA.

For the simple reason that sex and shop shouldn't mix, except in sex shops.

No, really, kidding aside, if they had an affair it would completely alter the entire chemics of the film Bond background. And once this door is opened (forget that cringeworthy scene in DAD with Moneypenny trying cybersex with her favourite daydream) you can't close it that easily. It's ok if she's dreaming about Bond, (a little, she should never be seriously into hunting him down). A small crush and that's all that is to it. It was enough for over forty years, it will do another forty.

The books never really went into that matter further, the relationship between Bond and Moneypenny, Ponsonby, Goodnight (until the last book) never anything else than a slight flirt.

And from personal experience I can attest that it's worth thinking long and hard and twice before starting something with somebody you see on a daily basis, be that colleague, neighbour, whatever. If you take that step you better be damn serious about it and I don't think Bond should marry Moneypenny (not even if it was just a codename and she's really Tracy di Vicenzo).

[Tarl_Cabot]

well I think that would have been very cool to make Fields' character Moneypenny instead and have her live of course....that would have created a fun awkwardness at the office for future films.

[Trident]

well I think that would have been very cool to make Fields' character Moneypenny instead and have her live of course....that would have created a fun awkwardness at the office for future films.

Nothing fun about it, believe me...

[Pierce - Daniel]

I like the idea of making her the main Bond girl.
they don't need to have sex, just cheeky little banter together, it could be like His Girl Friday, Thomas Crown affair esque scenes, with Moneypenny being a little more slicker and cooler, she won't even reveil her first name to him, a bit of tease.
If done correctly then it would work very well, if not, it could fall 100% flat.
I do think that if Q or Moneypenny are introduced in the film they need to earn a place in the film, the reason why they were cut from CR and QOS was becasue they didn't fit into the plot, therefore it would work better to intergrate them into the stroy in some way.

[Captain Tightpants]

she won't even reveil her first name to him, a bit of tease.

That's a bit like Strawberry Fields, though. And at least in Fields' case, she had a reason for it: her parents were either addicts, wholly unconcerned with embarrassing her for life, or celebrities. Moneypeny's first name is rarely-but-consistently given as Jane, so there's no real reason for her to hide it. Although we could subvert the Fields thing by having Moneypenny embarrassed about her surname and insisteing that Bond call her Jane, only for Bond to learn that her surname is Moneypenny less than two minutes later when everyone else calls her by it. Bond, of course, uses it with affection, not as a nickname she hates.

[DamnCoffee]

I'm not a fan of this idea, I'm afraid. I suggested ages ago, (I've brought this up countless times), that Moneypenny should be sent to Bond on an assignment, probably to intercept some files or something, the reason why isn't that important, but there's sexual tension right from the start, they eventually come to have sex, but are rudely interrupted by some henchman. Bond sends Jane back to England for her own safety. Come to next movie, she's M's secretary, and Bond and Penny exchange flirtatious banter. They never can have sex, considering she's in the office. This explains the sexual tension.

[Skudor]

Why?
And equally, why not?
Can't say I'm too hot on the idea, but sometimes the oddest things work...

[Pierce - Daniel]

Her name isn't Jane.
Fleming never said it was, and he was the Kingmaker.
Just becasue the IFP say so means nothing, they have been squeezed Fleming's legacy since he died, I point you to the Young Bond novels.
EON nor Fleming have reveiled Moneypenny's first name.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Do you know, coco1997 and I actually used this in a rewrite (I know, I know, I'm bringing this up for the nth time ); specifically, our rewrite of The Man with the Golden Gun, where Moneypenny, on vacation in Jamaica, inadvertently becomes involved with Bond's investigation into Francisco Scaramanga, but not before attempting to pull a Tatiana Romanova and sneak into his bedroom at the bungalow where he's staying.

[MkB]

they eventually come to have sex, but are rudely interrupted by some henchman. Bond sends Jane back to England for her own safety. Come to next movie, she's M's secretary, and Bond and Penny exchange flirtatious banter. They never can have sex, considering she's in the office.

Well, call me old-fashioned, but in my book, if they've started to have sex they've technically already been lovers (even if they've been interrupted by a henchman or whatnot), and her being his colleague in the office wouldn't be a major impediment to their, well, starting again where they were interrupted. It's already too late for the "sex and shop" considerations.

Anyway, I am not for Moneypenny having sex with Bond (or even beginning to and being interrupted). In my mind, she's to Bond something between a friend with a little crush (hence the sexual tension) and an elder sister (hence why it's only a tension, and not actual sex). She's the closest thing to family to Bond (in the movies at least, in the books it would be May), except the father/mother figure of M.

That said, I'm not totally against the idea of giving the Moneypenny character a bigger role in a movie, but I can't really see how it could be done properly.

[DamnCoffee]

they eventually come to have sex, but are rudely interrupted by some henchman. Bond sends Jane back to England for her own safety. Come to next movie, she's M's secretary, and Bond and Penny exchange flirtatious banter. They never can have sex, considering she's in the office.

Well, call me old-fashioned, but in my book, if they've started to have sex they've technically already been lovers (even if they've been interrupted by a henchman or whatnot), and her being his colleague in the office wouldn't be a major impediment to their, well, starting again where they were interrupted. It's already too late for the "sex and shop" considerations.

Anyway, I am not for Moneypenny having sex with Bond (or even beginning to and being interrupted). In my mind, she's to Bond something between a friend with a little crush (hence the sexual tension) and an elder sister (hence why it's only a tension, and not actual sex). She's the closest thing to family to Bond (in the movies at least, in the books it would be May), except the father/mother figure of M.

That said, I'm not totally against the idea of giving the Moneypenny character a bigger role in a movie, but I can't really see how it could be done properly.

Looks like I haven't made myself clear. I too, don't wish for Bond to have sex with Moneypenny, by 'come to have sex' I meant just past the kissing stage/into heavy petting.

[Tarl_Cabot]

well I think that would have been very cool to make Fields' character Moneypenny instead and have her live of course....that would have created a fun awkwardness at the office for future films.

Nothing fun about it, believe me...

I meant for the audience but I quite agree.

[Aris007]

I really like the idea! Monneypenny is the Bond girl. Bond meets her somewhere and and Moneypenny does the "move" first. Bond replies in a very rude way and goes away. Of course he doesn't know that she's the new M's secretary and so when he goes to take orders from him the next day he goes:"Oh NO!"

[OmarB]

Anybody remember how much Moonlighting got the wind knocked out of it's sails after Bruce Willis hooked up with that chick?

[Safari Suit]

I've only seen Moonlightling a couple of times (wierdly once I think it was the start of the episode where they hook up) but I get what you're saying and totally agree with the analogy.

[DominicGreene]

I'm not a fan of this idea, I'm afraid. I suggested ages ago, (I've brought this up countless times), that Moneypenny should be sent to Bond on an assignment, probably to intercept some files or something, the reason why isn't that important, but there's sexual tension right from the start, they eventually come to have sex, but are rudely interrupted by some henchman. Bond sends Jane back to England for her own safety. Come to next movie, she's M's secretary, and Bond and Penny exchange flirtatious banter. They never can have sex, considering she's in the office. This explains the sexual tension.

Whoops! Sorry I intercepted your idea!

[Conlazmoodalbrocra]

I'm all for bringing Moneypenny back but I don't see how she could feature as the main Bond girl. The general pattern is that Bond beds someone out in the field at the end of the movie, so unless Penny came round for a spot of lunch...

[tdalton]

Bringing back Moneypenny is one thing (something I'm strongly opposed to, but realize it's going to happen anyway), but having her as the main Bond woman is something else entirely. Moneypenny should not be the main Bond woman in any Bond film, and especially should not be a field agent that worked with Bond and having that relationship be the basis for their flirtatious relationship that ate up screentime during the first 20 films of the franchise. Moneypenny should just be left as a secretary, and her return should be given as much fanfare as the debut of Villiers in CASINO ROYALE.