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[TheREAL008]

Let him write one more, then let him go.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

I would like Haggis to return on a solo script just so we can judge exactly what the man is capable of when it comes to writing Bond, but I think that prospect is unlikely.
I don't read this article as being anything more than well informed speculation to be honest - especially as Solomons himself says there is no clues from the Broccoli camp on Bond 23.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Haggis will be working with someone else most likely but who?

[Pierce - Daniel]

I like Haggis.
Lets remember P&W did the bulk on CR. They came up with the plot and course in which the story turned (Parkour chase/Miami Airport/Le Chiffre's investments/Casino game/Venice). So lets not discount them. But Haggis was the one who gave the film a bit of zing. The scenes with Vesper are by far the best in film by a long shot. The dialogue is zippy quick witty and fun. He did all of that, that was Haggis. The moment in the shower, which many pundits including Ron Howard are said is the best moment in a Bond movie ever was also Haggis, the final moment Bond has with Vesper when he tries to revive her before looking distraught at her corpse was Haggis. Everything that made CR unique and special came from him.
For that reason I say bring him back.

In QOS, we don't know where the P&W ended and the Haggis began. But remember the film's script was delivered 3 months before filming began. The strike did effect the movie imo despite what the production might say. But all the M scenes were terrific especailly the one in the safehouse and the interrogation was great. The final Bond speech to Corrine was brilliant and the 'Have you ever killed someone?" moment was inspired.

BRING BACK HAGGIS - But QOS did have a political overhang, drop that. The plot is always important, but I feel with Daniel's Bond it's all about character and our investment with him. Opposed to brosnan or Moore where we just get caught up in the story.

[MattofSteel]

Oh, so Vesper had a child BEFORE Bond, and that's what Bond was supposedly going to be going after?

Exactly.

The Broccolis objected because they couldn't see Bond, who was an orphan himself, abandoning an orphan at the end of the film, particularly one connected to Vesper (as Bond would necessarily have to do in order to keep the integrity of the franchise).

I object to the idea myself because I think the idea makes little sense, looking at how CASINO ROYALE handles its narrative. It also makes Vesper's suicide look a thousand times worse, because she's abandoning her role as caretaker for a young innocent.

It's just a common-sensically stupid idea. And can narratively cripple a franchise (IE, Superman Returns). Glad they canned it.

[Odd Jobbies]

Haggis will be working with someone else most likely but who?

If he has to work with someone else, then how about Jonathan Nolan, (chris 'The Dark Knight' Nolan's brother). Never know, it might get Chris involved - he's said he's a big Bond fan, and that the Bond movies inspired his take on Batman.

[Whalltt]

I'm happy with Haggis' work so far. He obviously has lots of creative ideas and is very good writing dialogue.
But my fear about him going solo, is the same fear I have with the "bringing in fresh blood" concept. He/they can deliver a great movie (or not) but will it feel like a Bond movie? Does Haggis realy know and understand the Bond/Fleming universe?
I guess I have to trust the Broccoli's judgment to keep things in shape.

P&W have many flaws, and they are probably a little tired and dry of ideas, but I bet they know the novels like no other writer, and they have hours and hours of brainstorming sessions with Barbara and Michael about what makes and doesn't make sense in the Bond world. This is a very valuable asset.

[Zorin Industries]

I'm sorry but where is it written that the Nolan brothers are the last word in British screen writing? THE DARK KNIGHT's weakest flaw is its screenplay. The pace and machinations of it are all over the place and blatantly hope that the weight of the project will detract from that. It is a great film, but it is far from perfect. It has a very threadbare storyline masquerading as something quite the opposite.

[Royal Dalton]

It has a very threadbare storyline masquerading as something quite the opposite.

A bit like Quantum of Solace, then.

But, yeah, keep the Nolan Brothers well away from Bond. And The Nolan Sisters, for that matter.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I'm sorry but where is it written that the Nolan brothers are the last word in British screen writing? THE DARK KNIGHT's weakest flaw is its screenplay. The pace and machinations of it are all over the place and blatantly hope that the weight of the project will detract from that. It is a great film, but it is far from perfect. It has a very threadbare storyline masquerading as something quite the opposite.

True personally if they just did the long Halloween (a great graphic novel) the film would of had a much stronger story however no one seems to want to actually adapt a batman graphic novel they just wanna steal from various batman sources.


Plus i want Batman 3 eventually and if the nolan brothers come to bond bye bye batman 3 at least for a while.


Paul Haggis and David Goyer on the other hand


of course Goyer gets trashed on this board but ghe has had a lot of succeses


He was able to give a concise plot in Freddy Vs Jason
He gave us 2 realativly cool blade movies (i never saw 3 and i don't think i want to)
and he wrote Batman Begins and came up with some of the dark knight both films were great.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

But Haggis was the one who gave the film a bit of zing. The scenes with Vesper are by far the best in film by a long shot. The dialogue is zippy quick witty and fun. He did all of that, that was Haggis.

Personally, I think the Vesper-Bond romance is one of the weaker aspects of CR.
Aside from the hokey tet-a-tet on a train, where Vesper and Bond take turns outdoing each others' impression of Carnac the Magnificent, it seems the movie wants us to buy into this epic love affair, simply, well, just because. I never thought OHMSS's handling of Tracey and Bond's relationship was perfect. Lord knows a Louis Armstrong montage is probably the laziest way for a writer to establish chemistry, but, at least they tried. As it stands, Vesper is just another generic sassy anti-bimbo ala Jinx, Paris, Natalia, etc.

The moment in the shower, which many pundits including Ron Howard are said is the best moment in a Bond movie ever was also Haggis.

I'd be interested to read Howard's quote. Link?
For me, the shower scene made me more embarrassed to be a Bond fan than 20 movies worth of CGI iceberg surfing and Tarzan yells could ever do.
Martin Campbell took flack for his his psychoanalytical approach to Bond in GE ("...if all those vodka martinis silence the screams of all the men you've killed", "No. It's what keeps you alone." etc) but this crossed a new line. Not only that, the act itself was downright weird. Spare me the explanations on how this makes Craig's Bond more human, with real emotions, and therefore, actually susceptible to an assassin's bullet etc.
Connery and Dalton were plenty human, and would not engage in finger fellatio in a million years.

the final moment Bond has with Vesper when he tries to revive her before looking distraught at her corpse was Haggis. Everything that made CR unique and special came from him.

I know quite a few fans who liked the train sequence.
That said, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thought CR was "unique" and "special" specifically due to Haggis' finger suckling, and the superfluous tacked-on sinking building climax.
Not spoiling for a flame war.
Just my $0.02!

Edited by Roger Moore's Bad Facelift, 12 June 2009 - 05:18 PM.

[danslittlefinger]

I guess this thread is moot now right?

[Jim]

I guess this thread is moot now right?

Good guess.

My money's still on Alfred Hitchcock to direct Bond 23 though.

[Tybre]

I guess this thread is moot now right?

Indeed it be. Indeed it be.

And Jim, methinks it's going to be a co-directed project. The Ghost of Alfred Hitchcock and Zombie Nixon. Because everything is better with Zombie Nixon.

[sorking]

Well, things just got a LOT more interesting:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41397

As someone who has a lot of respect for Purvis and Wade as working writers and who's been citing Morgan as a wish-list writer for 007, this makes me a very, very happy bunny.

[Agent 76]

I guess this thread is moot now right?

Good guess.

My money's still on Alfred Hitchcock to direct Bond 23 though.

that would be indeed interesting.

[Panavision]

So, Purvis and Wade come up with the story, then write a draft that everyone is happy with, then it goes to Pete Morgan to do the final polish. It's the same kind of deal that CR had, but in that case Haggis wasn't signed from the beginning. Here, they have openly admitted that Morgan is going to re-write Purvis and Wade. How bizarre.