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[Quantumofsolace007]

There were no reboots where Batman is concerned. Crisis Of Infinite Earths killed Supergirl and The Flash as well as cleaned up continuity, Identity Crisis killed Jason Todd's father (the closest death to him in the story), Infinite Crisis killed Conner Kent (again, closest death to Bruce). Fact is, he has been one continuous narrative, Superman's been restarted several times (John Byrne, Mark Millar), not Batman, his story's just been retold ... there is a difference.

I disagree Batman has been rebooted several times.

Peronally I prefer bond beind reboboted I recently finnished Win lose or Die which came out in 1989 and was set in that year. I was so distracted when Gardenr put in the fact bond was liutenant commander in world war 2 I began thinking um how could that even remotly work

I say break away from Fleming but be respectfull./

Using Batman as the example People have broken away from Bob Kane's work (namely Frank Millar who while i enjoye Year on Dark knight returns is ok and I honestly don't think I'll be buying All star Batman and Robin Angry batman i like Batman who is a jerk i don't like) but are always respectfull to the routes Bob kane set forth


With bond something Similar should happen Be respectfull of Fleming (as the novels are) by all means allow bond to still be the same bond we know and love from fleming HOWEVER move away. let me give a general idea


If We devlop the biography of 007 on the Quantum of solace site (exactly the same as the one they had on the Casino Royale Site and it still is a good read) we find bond on a nearly identical path fleming's bond went through but this bond's journey started in 1968 If an author had some balls he would write about these events and how they shapped bond.


A really smart idea is give the people what they want Half of us want bond in our time half want bond in fleming's time

Why not give 2 authors the chance to write bond stories One In post flemin (late 60's early 70's era) The Second writing about Daniel Craig's bond in a sense writing for the bond of the films and of today One who prefer Texas Hold em like the aston martin he won at a casino and is the same character fleming wrote only tweaked and brought into our time.


or best yet 3 authors Adult Bond 68-78, Young bond in the 80's and 90's (I will be shocked if anoyne besides me would actually accept this idea) and Adult bond today


(i'm so gonna get hate mail regarind my young bond in the 80's)

[DouglasJ]

There were no reboots where Batman is concerned. Crisis Of Infinite Earths killed Supergirl and The Flash as well as cleaned up continuity, Identity Crisis killed Jason Todd's father (the closest death to him in the story), Infinite Crisis killed Conner Kent (again, closest death to Bruce). Fact is, he has been one continuous narrative, Superman's been restarted several times (John Byrne, Mark Millar), not Batman, his story's just been retold ... there is a difference.

Even if we don't count the late 80's stories as a reboot (which I'm at least partially inclined to do) then Batman has still been subject to MASSIVE retcons, with huge portions of the Silver-Age stories in particular being wiped out. And whole chunks of the cannon have been designated Earth 2.

The point is, even if he hasn't been rebooted, Batman has not survived his 70 years with one single comic continuity.

[OmarB]

Batman Year One, The Dark Knight Returns, Dark Knight Strikes Again as well as most of Miller's work are Elseworld series. Not reboots but separate continuities, as is his Batman and Robin All Star. I will agree that things have been retconned, but there have been no reboots (unless you wish to point out a specific issue). Unless you wish to count stories that happen outside of continuity (that don't count) as reboots).

As for the John Gardner thing, he stated many times that it was as if Bond went to sleep and did not age at the end of Fleming's run and woke up in the 80's at the beginning of his.

Edited by OmarB, 15 June 2009 - 09:05 PM.

[DouglasJ]

Batman Year One, The Dark Knight Returns, Dark Knight Strikes Again as well as most of Miller's work are Elseworld series. Not reboots but separate continuities, as is his Batman and Robin All Star. I will agree that things have been retconned, but there have been no reboots (unless you wish to point out a specific issue). Unless you wish to count stories that happen outside of continuity (that don't count) as reboots).

Okay, so perhaps Batman hasn't been strictly 'rebooted' (although I maintain that the existence of Earth-Two Batman suggests just that) but a retcon is much as such the same thing...

Except instead of saying 'the whole thing never happened' they're saying 'this particular portion of it never happened'.

The Gardner novels, and the Benson novels rely heavily on retconning - as would any other 'modern day based' novel. Continuing the original Fleming storyline has limited potential - a much shorter lifespan than an out and out reboot.

Superman, Zorro and other such long-surviving characters have resorted to reboots in various media, just to keep the franchise alive. I'm not saying it's THE solution - simply one of them.

[OmarB]

That's the thing with DC's 52 earths. If it does not happen on Earth 2 then it's not in continuity and does not count.

As I said before, I think the route taken in the Mack Bolan novels after Pendelton left the title is the way to go. He's frozen in age but the stories stay contemporary.

[Dainshdude118]

There were no reboots where Batman is concerned. Crisis Of Infinite Earths killed Supergirl and The Flash as well as cleaned up continuity, Identity Crisis killed Jason Todd's father (the closest death to him in the story), Infinite Crisis killed Conner Kent (again, closest death to Bruce). Fact is, he has been one continuous narrative, Superman's been restarted several times (John Byrne, Mark Millar), not Batman, his story's just been retold ... there is a difference.

Even if we don't count the late 80's stories as a reboot (which I'm at least partially inclined to do) then Batman has still been subject to MASSIVE retcons, with huge portions of the Silver-Age stories in particular being wiped out. And whole chunks of the cannon have been designated Earth 2.

The point is, even if he hasn't been rebooted, Batman has not survived his 70 years with one single comic continuity.

Batman R.I.P brought all that wacky silver age stuff back into continuity, so really, it wasn’t retconned at all, were just seeing everything through Batman’s eyes as he forgets about Dr Hurt’s experiments and all his hallucinations. When he learns of them again, so do we.

Grant Morrison really is a genius.

[OmarB]

Yes, Grant is a genius.