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[Jaws0178]

Ok, I am going to post two pictures. They are both from Casino Royale. Here is my challenge: What is wrong with them? Lets see who guesses it.

Number 1
http://i552.photobuc...BN/PDVD_003.jpg

Number 2
http://i552.photobuc...BN/PDVD_004.jpg

Once you have noticed it, you'll laugh, I hope anyway.

[Jim]

There's no conceivable way that it can be the same time of day in the Bahamas as it is in Madagascar, on the receiving 'phone. The whole "looking for Mr Dimitrios" plot is based on a complete nonsense.

[dinovelvet]

Ok, I am going to post two pictures. They are both from Casino Royale. Here is my challenge: What is wrong with them? Lets see who guesses it.

Number 1
http://i552.photobuc...BN/PDVD_003.jpg

Number 2
http://i552.photobuc...BN/PDVD_004.jpg

Once you have noticed it, you'll laugh, I hope anyway.

Pic 1 is Bond's interception of the message that Dimitrios sent to Molloka, which we saw him receive when he was watching the snake & mongoose fight

Pic 2 is Dimitrios' phone showing the message he sent to Carlos while at the Bodyworks exhibit, which obviously occurred at least several days later (with Le Chiffre and Dimitrios discussing Molloka being dead and all).

Yet according to these phones, both messages were sent at exactly the same time

[Jim]

Ok, I am going to post two pictures. They are both from Casino Royale. Here is my challenge: What is wrong with them? Lets see who guesses it.

Number 1
http://i552.photobuc...BN/PDVD_003.jpg

Number 2
http://i552.photobuc...BN/PDVD_004.jpg

Once you have noticed it, you'll laugh, I hope anyway.

Pic 1 is Bond's interception of the message that Dimitrios sent to Molloka, which we saw him receive when he was watching the snake & mongoose fight

Pic 2 is Dimitrios' phone showing the message he sent to Carlos while at the Bodyworks exhibit, which obviously occurred at least several days later (with Le Chiffre and Dimitrios discussing Molloka being dead and all).

Yet according to these phones, both messages were sent at exactly the same time

Oh, right - that's probably it!

Never mind Quantum of Solace taking place in the same year as Casino Royale - the first hour of Casino Royale seems to take place in the same timezone on the same day.

Additional to the Bourne elements of Quantum of Solace, Casino Royale seems to be 24 merged with absolute piffle.

[Hitmonk]

Yeah, that's always bothered me too, as does the fact that Dimitrios is checking his phone at the exact moment that he walks into the Ocean Club.

[Jaws0178]

I have been watching it today, and saw that. When I did, I told my fiancee that I was going to post it, and she said "you are such a Bond geek."

[Mister Asterix]

Yeah, that's always bothered me too, as does the fact that Dimitrios is checking his phone at the exact moment that he walks into the Ocean Club.

He’s not checking his phone, he’s sending the ‘ellipsis’ message. That’s how Bond tracked him down. The message was sent at exactly that time from those coordinates, and it was caught on the video security at the valet. Had Dimitrios sent the message from inside the Club Bond would’ve checked the cameras that covered that area.

[stromberg]

.... The message was sent at exactly that time from those coordinates, and it was caught on the video security at the valet. Had Dimitrios sent the message from inside the Club Bond would’ve checked the cameras that covered that area.

That's what we're meant to believe. Checking the coordinates on Google maps, one could think that the message actually came from some secret hollowed-out iceberg lair
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[Mister Asterix]

.... The message was sent at exactly that time from those coordinates, and it was caught on the video security at the valet. Had Dimitrios sent the message from inside the Club Bond would’ve checked the cameras that covered that area.

That's what we're meant to believe. Checking the coordinates on Google maps, one could think that the message actually came from some secret hollowed-out iceberg lair
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I guess we’ve proven that coordinates and time zones are different in James Bond’s fictitious world than they are in ours.

[bondpix]

The second picture shows the time as 19:12 PM. You can't have 19:12 PM! It's either 19:12 OR 7:12pm, not both.

[MarkA]

I think you all need to get out more

Edited by MarkA, 02 June 2009 - 04:22 PM.

[Jim]

I think you all need to get out more

Probably safer for everyone else that we stay in.

[MkB]

There's no conceivable way that it can be the same time of day in the Bahamas as it is in Madagascar, on the receiving 'phone.

Well, literally you're right, but on my phone for instance there's a "time zone" feature to switch easily from one to another, feature that I regularly forget to switch, which results in me receiving SMS and emails with dates and times from another timezone.
We could imagine that the gang had their phones all tuned on the same timezone (say, GMT for instance), to avoid any problem about times?

Besides, the first phone is receiving or sending a message, and I am not familiar enough with this interface but doesn't it look like the time and date are part of the message, instead of being those of the message? Like: "on July 06th 2006, at 19:12:22 precisily, please blow the place at 59.47N 57.45W up"

Now the 2nd phone: on this one, the message is "ELLIPSIS" (not mentioned on the 1st phone", and it has actually been sent/received on July 06th 2006, at 19:12. So I guess this 2nd message is a consequence of the first, i.e. the signal to blow the place up at said time and date.

Pity I can't remember whose phones they are and when they appear in the movie

PS: now why do I have an odd feeling that I should really get a life?

[Jim]

There's no conceivable way that it can be the same time of day in the Bahamas as it is in Madagascar, on the receiving 'phone.

Well, literally you're right, but on my phone for instance there's a "time zone" feature to switch easily from one to another, feature that I regularly forget to switch, which results in me receiving SMS and emails with dates and times from another timezone.
We could imagine that the gang had their phones all tuned on the same timezone (say, GMT for instance), to avoid any problem about times?

Hmm, possibly. Nice theory. But given that Bond's ferreting about in the security office in the Whassface Club in the Bahamas establishes that the local time Dimitrios sent the text was indeed 19:12, and working on the basis that Madagascar is a good (four/five? dunno) hours ahead of Nassau, then Bond is chasing Thingy across the cranes at around midnight-ish.

Which he patently isn't.

[MkB]

Hmm, possibly. Nice theory. But given that Bond's ferreting about in the security office in the Whassface Club in the Bahamas establishes that the local time Dimitrios sent the text was indeed 19:12, and working on the basis that Madagascar is a good (four/five? dunno) hours ahead of Nassau, then Bond is chasing Thingy across the cranes at around midnight-ish.

Which he patently isn't.

Ah OK! I had forgotten this 19:12 thing at the Club. Madagascar must even be something like 7 or 8 hours ahead of Nassau!

That's the thing about Bond films: they're more satisfying to watch than to study!

[JimmyBond]

Hmm, possibly. Nice theory. But given that Bond's ferreting about in the security office in the Whassface Club in the Bahamas establishes that the local time Dimitrios sent the text was indeed 19:12, and working on the basis that Madagascar is a good (four/five? dunno) hours ahead of Nassau, then Bond is chasing Thingy across the cranes at around midnight-ish.

Which he patently isn't.

Perhaps they just have longer days. You know, like Alaska

[MkB]

Perhaps they just have longer days. You know, like Alaska

Admitedly, a longer day would be more fun in Madagascar than in Alaska, anyway!

[Mister Asterix]

Perhaps they just have longer days. You know, like Alaska

Entirely possible given its location on the map...

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[Tybre]

Well part of it could be attributed to

Madagascar - EAT (UTC+3)
Bahamas - Time zone EST (UTC−5)

Doesn't account for everything on the same day, obviously. Bahamas would be only 8 hours behind Madagascar but one must remember:

It's a movie. Just sit down and enjoy it the ride. That's what they plan for you to do. I'm pretty sure most movie production companies don't take into account someone is going to freeze-frame the coordinates Bond looks up and then look them up themselves. Or pay all that much attention to the phones, especially when most of the screens are only up very briefly before Bond flips to the SMS or some other screen.

Edited by Tybre, 03 June 2009 - 12:19 AM.

[Mister Asterix]

I actually don’t think it’s a mistake as much as a short cut. The whole thing plot element of tracking down the origin of the text was done with no dialogue about it. By having the times the same they didn’t need to stop and explain the time zone differences between Madagascar and the Bahamas which would’ve slowed down the film and complicated the plot point. So, yes, it is wrong, but it does make the film better.

Perhaps they could’ve slapped a ‘GMT’ on after the times on the displays, but then we’d’ve been arguing about why all the phones and video equipment worked on Greenwich Mean Time.

[Vauxhall]

Yeah, I noticed this back in 2006, and the simplest explanation is just to make it easier for the audience to follow. It's the same reason that explains how and why the mobile phone time stamp is synchronised precisely with the Ocean Club's CCTV cameras.

[Safari Suit]

A wizard did it.

[Jaws0178]

Okay, I'll buy Safari Suits explanation. James Bond meets Harry Potter. Also, to the coordinates, it was sent from the Titanic

[singleentendre]

.... The message was sent at exactly that time from those coordinates, and it was caught on the video security at the valet. Had Dimitrios sent the message from inside the Club Bond would’ve checked the cameras that covered that area.

That's what we're meant to believe. Checking the coordinates on Google maps, one could think that the message actually came from some secret hollowed-out iceberg lair
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Looks like Gustav Graves is up to his old tricks.