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[# 11]

I'm really getting anxious regarding the evolution of the next adventure. As it seems to me, the producer are not keen of bringing as fast as possible another Bond movie to the theatres.

We haven't heard yet something about a script. Is there one? Are they writing on it? Who's writing on it? Why do we not hear anything about last-4-time writers P&W? Is there someone else in charge? Did they order a script, at least a story? Do they have any ideas how to go on (Quantum…)?
Maybe the case of QOS was a little bit special and fast (too fast for its quality maybe), but I've never heard of EON doing nothing to Bond. No to be confused, I'm not concerning about MGW's statement of last week, B23 beeing "not even a glimmer in its mother's eye", he may only prescind from sth. But the fact of EON doing a non-Bond film is a hint.


I might be wrong and they really hold everything in secret, but I can't believe in an 2010 release anymore. I even presume they don't get it for 2011 but wait for the jubilee in 2012!
The only thing I still don't get, why they don't start the machine now and give the director enough time to arrange his work…

[jaguar007]

Mickey G did say in an interview prior to the release of QoS that he wanted to take a break between films. I think we are looking at a 2011 release for Bond 23

[Captain Tightpants]

I'm really getting anxious regarding the evolution of the next adventure. As it seems to me, the producer are not keen of bringing as fast as possible another Bond movie to the theatres.

We haven't heard yet something about a script. Is there one? Are they writing on it? Who's writing on it? Why do we not hear anything about last-4-time writers P&W? Is there someone else in charge? Did they order a script, at least a story? Do they have any ideas how to go on (Quantum…)?
Maybe the case of QOS was a little bit special and fast (too fast for its quality maybe), but I've never heard of EON doing nothing to Bond. No to be confused, I'm not concerning about MGW's statement of last week, B23 beeing "not even a glimmer in its mother's eye", he may only prescind from sth. But the fact of EON doing a non-Bond film is a hint.


I might be wrong and they really hold everything in secret, but I can't believe in an 2010 release anymore. I even presume they don't get it for 2011 but wait for the jubilee in 2012!
The only thing I still don't get, why they don't start the machine now and give the director enough time to arrange his work…

Why is there some pressing need to get the pre-production train up and running? MGW said that QUANTUM OF SOLACE took its toll on everyone, and that they wanted to take an extra break before making the next film. They are currently in a very unique position in terms of where the character of Bond stands, and evidently they want to make sure they handle it properly. There is no rush to get it into theatres as soon as possible; in the meantime, they'll concentrate on other projects for now. As Craig said, the last thing anyone wants to do after finishing one Bond flm is to start the next.

The future of the franchise is not at stake here as you seem to be implying. Just trust to EON's judgement and let them make the film on their own time. It'll be better for everyone that way.

[OmarB]

Everybody needs a break. DC got banged up and needed surgery after the movie was done, people died in filming, it was a long and stressful shoot (not to mention emotionally taxing). They all need to step back and relax. Besides, the DVD just came out, can't you be happy with that for at least a year?

[AgentBentley]

'As fast as possible' is not a guarantee of quality.

I'm perfectly happy with waiting a little bit longer if the result is another amazing, slam-bang in your face James Bond movie. A longer wait also works against Bond-fatigue by the general public.

[Qwerty]

Mickey G did say in an interview prior to the release of QoS that he wanted to take a break between films. I think we are looking at a 2011 release for Bond 23

Agreed.

[dogmanstar]

EON has always resisted putting stuff up on the screen just to do so. Over-exposure almost killed the Star Trek franchise a few years back and EON knows that the public is not going to go see Bond just because it is Bond but rather that the public wants to see awesome stunts, a dramatic story, a good director, and so on.

[darthbond]

I say 2011

darthbond

Edited by darthbond, 30 April 2009 - 02:01 AM.

[MajorB]

As eager as I am to see where they go from here, I agree that I'd rather wait longer if it'll mean a better film and (hypothetically) a longer tenure for Craig by virtue of not burning out on the part b/c/o the schedule. I'm not happy about it, but I'm sufficiently content.

[Tybre]

I'm both happy about the delay and disappointed. Happy because, well, the quality of Bond 23 will be better than if they keep churning one out every year, and it will likely just be better from QoS and maybe even CR because they've given time to go over the ideas and all. Disappointed, because I really only started seriously getting into Bond back in...January/February instead of just catching a movie when I could. Bit of a double-edged sword, but well worth it.

[danielcraigisjamesbond007]

"Why no effort?"
Because they rushed with Quantum and look what happened...

[RazorBlade]

How about EON hires me to write the next bond. Don't worry Barb and Mike G. I'll handle everything.

[hilly]

I'm really getting anxious regarding the evolution of the next adventure. As it seems to me, the producer are not keen of bringing as fast as possible another Bond movie to the theatres.

We haven't heard yet something about a script. Is there one? Are they writing on it? Who's writing on it? Why do we not hear anything about last-4-time writers P&W? Is there someone else in charge? Did they order a script, at least a story? Do they have any ideas how to go on (Quantum…)?

Maybe they have and just haven't told you yet...Ever thought that maybe it's not necessary to share or leak every last detail of pre-production years in advance? How on earth did fans manage to cope between films in the days before the internet.....? I really wouldn't lose sleep over it. After nearly 50 years, I'm sure the Broccoli-Wilsons know what they're doing...

[Zorin Industries]

I'm really getting anxious regarding the evolution of the next adventure. As it seems to me, the producer are not keen of bringing as fast as possible another Bond movie to the theatres.

We haven't heard yet something about a script. Is there one? Are they writing on it? Who's writing on it? Why do we not hear anything about last-4-time writers P&W? Is there someone else in charge? Did they order a script, at least a story? Do they have any ideas how to go on (Quantum…)?
Maybe the case of QOS was a little bit special and fast (too fast for its quality maybe), but I've never heard of EON doing nothing to Bond. No to be confused, I'm not concerning about MGW's statement of last week, B23 beeing "not even a glimmer in its mother's eye", he may only prescind from sth. But the fact of EON doing a non-Bond film is a hint.


I might be wrong and they really hold everything in secret, but I can't believe in an 2010 release anymore. I even presume they don't get it for 2011 but wait for the jubilee in 2012!
The only thing I still don't get, why they don't start the machine now and give the director enough time to arrange his work…

Most of what you want to hear are developments that are not that newsworthy and under wraps for a reason - i.e. they are no-one's business. Directors names only enter the public domain when an announcement and press releases are imminent. A director can be involved in a project LONG before the world is told.

For the record, there has never been a release date announced.

And "bringing as fast as possible another Bond film" is sort of missing the point as Eon Productions have every right to take stock, work on other projects, develop BOND 23 with time and keep all of that from the world. Eon work on Bond all the time. This is not a venture that shuts down every year and a half. But sourcing stories, cast thoughts, locations and goals takes time - even after 22 films.

Do not expect to see BOND 23 in 2012 for a few reasons - one being MGM will probably want the revenue sooner than that and one being it is Olympic year in Britain which may not be the best time to release a new 007 film. And no - an Olympic themed Bond film is an awful idea....

"Why no effort?"
Because they rushed with Quantum and look what happened...

Who said it was "rushed" and who said the end result veered towards the negative? There is NEVER enough time to make a film - as any director or producer will tell you.

[H.M.S Ark Royal]

Do not expect to see BOND 23 in 2012 for a few reasons -

I bet on 2012 for a last film with Craig. Time will tell but Bond 23 in 2011, it's a dream !

[Zorin Industries]

Do not expect to see BOND 23 in 2012 for a few reasons -

I bet on 2012 for a last film with Craig. Time will tell but Bond 23 in 2011, it's a dream !

No that's probably the reality. So how would a final film then be made AFTER that to come out the year later?

[H.M.S Ark Royal]

You seems very well informed ! You think what you want but stop patronizing everyone all right ?

[Zorin Industries]

You seems very well informed ! You think what you want but stop patronizing everyone all right ?

There is nowt patronising about saying it how it is...

[I never miss]

As eager as I am to see where they go from here, I agree that I'd rather wait longer if it'll mean a better film and (hypothetically) a longer tenure for Craig by virtue of not burning out on the part b/c/o the schedule. I'm not happy about it, but I'm sufficiently content.

Well, my gut feelings on this are as follows:

a. a longer wait is no guarantee of quality - we waited 3 years for DAD.
b. the longer the break between movies, the older and more craggy looking DC will get, so the less amount of total films he'll do. If the next Bond movie isn't out til 2011 then he'll do 2 more tops (quite possibly the next would be his last). On the other hand, if he did a movie every 2 years then we could conceivably see 3 more from him.

Personally I think the time to have a break is the period when a new Bond is cast - a four or so year break every ten years. The Craig era has just got up and running - I find it frustrating that they are already 'having a break'.

[Royal Dalton]

I suspect we'll see another Bond film in about 18 months' time. But if we don't we don't.

[Bryce (003)]

I suspect that there is indeed a great deal of effort going on than we know about.

Just a hunch.

...and a few "whispers in the wind".

[Zorin Industries]

I suspect that there is indeed a great deal of effort going on than we know about.

Just a hunch.

...and a few "whispers in the wind".

Exactly!

The cogs and wheels of Bond do not stop just because the press releases have.

[Pierce - Daniel]

Ideas are always going around on Bond, maybe a script is in development, i don't know.
By the looks of it Bryce seems to now a little more then he's letting on, please do tell! What are the whispers??? Please any little scrap is enough to wet our appetites right now.

[Mr_Wint]

I am sure it is a complicated process to make a new Bondfilm from start to final product. But I am still surprised that they really need 2 years, or even 3 years. Compare what 1000 professionals can achieve in any other profession during 3000 working hours...!

For instance, is it totally impossible for 3-4 talented screenwriters to produce a finished script in less than 4 months? That is 120 days for crying out loud. It seems like, in entertainment industry, they multiply the salary with a factor 10 and the divide the work moral with a factor 1000. Or maybe it is just a lack of talent.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

The future of the franchise is not at stake here as you seem to be implying. Just trust to EON's judgement and let them make the film on their own time. It'll be better for everyone that way.

Yes quite.
I sometimes wonder if people would feel happier some bogus rumours were circulated just so they know things havn't stood still and then they can feel a bit more comfortable something's in the works.
I can wait until EON are ready.
IMO the third Craig film is important in that it has to be good. I for one don't want another TWINE or DAD type movie on the heels of two superb Bond films.

Edited by sthgilyadgnivileht, 30 April 2009 - 06:13 PM.

[Quantumofsolace007]

My opnion has unwaivered. Now i want make it clear i am in no way associated with EON nor do i know anyone working there with that said a few things I know with 99.99999999% certanity based on what i heard


1. There is definitly an outline Why do i say this MGW came up with the plot of QOS as had an idea to do Casino Royale for bond 21. I think he has an idea of where bond should go (both emotionall and physically) and a few plot points. both him and barbra have made some comments as far as Quantum returning the nature of the film etc. So they have an idea and they said work begins in january.

2. They have an idea with action sequences and locations. Like i said MGW and Barbra know where bond is going physically now do thye know ever location no but they have a few idea about certian countries that are in the news that might be goiod for bond to go to.

3. They have an idea as far as what kind of director they want. Do they have a name no. but they know wether they want an action orintated director or a more dramatic director (my money is leaning toward action director)

4. Title. I think they are going fleming again and i am leaning toward The Property of a lady. but if it's an orignal title i won't mind.

If i get a pm saying they have a first draft i wouldn't be suprised but I'm not willing to say they have it without some sort of confirmation.


Bond 23 will comeout and hopefully we will love it. I'm hoping for a film as good as Casino Royale and Quantum of solace.

[Zorin Industries]

I am sure it is a complicated process to make a new Bondfilm from start to final product. But I am still surprised that they really need 2 years, or even 3 years. Compare what 1000 professionals can achieve in any other profession during 3000 working hours...!

For instance, is it totally impossible for 3-4 talented screenwriters to produce a finished script in less than 4 months? That is 120 days for crying out loud. It seems like, in entertainment industry, they multiply the salary with a factor 10 and the divide the work moral with a factor 1000. Or maybe it is just a lack of talent.

Can I address some of these thoughts....from my own experience.. (?)

No, it is not totally impossible for 3-4 writers to produce a finished script in less than four months. But you won't finish a Bond film in that time.

With a Bond production, a great many other factors come into play. If - as you suggest - 3 or 4 writers work on one script together that doesn't necessarily reduce the period of completion, but potentially quadruple it as those four writers will not always work together in the same room (for example, Purvis and Wade do not write physically together all the time). In the instance of a 007 picture, the story, characters, locations, set pieces, stunts, production design and unit logistics are ever-changing. Juggling four writers penning a script in a four month period is not possible.

Alternatively, if you divide up the work and give everyone a part or act to work on that results in a script that is neither uniform, completed, tonally similiar or indeed any good. You say "compare what 1000 professionals can achieve in any other profession during 3000 working hours...!".. surely that is redundant here as people from "any other profession" do not make James Bond films.

And writers particularly are not brilliantly paid - and certainly not when you factor in all the years of graft and free drafts that build a screenwriting career. So a writers fee may appear large to the layman, but it isn't at all when you divide it between all the wilderness months / years and the periods 'between' projects.

Furthermore, it is not just a script that needs tailoring in pre-production (a period which actually doesn't start until the script is "locked down" anyway which is not something that always happens - and certainly not on a Bond film). Scouring the world's cinema, television and glossy mags for new casting thoughts takes a great deal of time. Securing location clearances from each and every homeowner and employer affected by a large film crew turning up takes a great deal of time. Booking and juggling crew schedules when certain personnel are booked up months and years ahead takes a great deal of time. Negotiating actors contracts when the studios purse is being ever tightened takes time. Discussing and sourcing studio space takes a great deal of time (almost all of Pinewood's stages were occupied by BOND 22 last year at one time or another - but that was a mammoth achievement in scheduling that doesn't happen overnight). Distributors and advertising partners need to be looked after and made to feel involved which, again, takes a great deal of time. The preferred caterers, drivers, runners, rushes couriers, lab spaces and post houses need booking up which takes - you guessed it - a great deal of time. And that is before you even factor in the time it takes for stunts to be prepped, safeguarded, rehearsed, then taken out of the rehearsal room and prepared all over again on location. You talk about "4 months", but it can take a production manager and the assistant directors that long to work out a shooting schedule (i.e. breaking down a day's filming into pick up times, breakfast times, make-up times, shot times, weather and artiste availability times and fall-back contingencies, lighting times, camera movement.... I can go on... but I think the point has been made.

[Tybre]

Alternatively, if you divide up the work and give everyone a part or act to work on that results in a script that is neither uniform, completed, tonally similiar or indeed any good.

Not necessarily. Many television shows will divide the writing of episodes up between multiple people and they conference regularly to discuss what they're doing to help keep things uniform. Hell, they divided up the finale of BSG and that maintained the whole way through, and, at least in my opinion, it was one of the best written things I've seen in quite some time, television or cinema.

[Zorin Industries]

Alternatively, if you divide up the work and give everyone a part or act to work on that results in a script that is neither uniform, completed, tonally similiar or indeed any good.

Not necessarily. Many television shows will divide the writing of episodes up between multiple people and they conference regularly to discuss what they're doing to help keep things uniform. Hell, they divided up the finale of BSG and that maintained the whole way through, and, at least in my opinion, it was one of the best written things I've seen in quite some time, television or cinema.

But a Bond film is not a succession of series of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA nor indeed any other television show so that response does not seem all that relevant.

[Tybre]

Alternatively, if you divide up the work and give everyone a part or act to work on that results in a script that is neither uniform, completed, tonally similiar or indeed any good.

Not necessarily. Many television shows will divide the writing of episodes up between multiple people and they conference regularly to discuss what they're doing to help keep things uniform. Hell, they divided up the finale of BSG and that maintained the whole way through, and, at least in my opinion, it was one of the best written things I've seen in quite some time, television or cinema.

But a Bond film is not a succession of series of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA nor indeed any other television show so that response does not seem all that relevant.

I'm not saying it is. It was just the first thing that popped into my mind where writers collaborated. I was simply pointing out is possible to divvy it up between multiple writers, act by act. Not saying I want that, just saying it's a possibility.