The waitress's fate?
#1
Posted 21 April 2009 - 04:49 PM
#2
Posted 21 April 2009 - 05:01 PM
#3
Posted 21 April 2009 - 05:47 PM
#4
Posted 21 April 2009 - 05:49 PM
#5
Posted 21 April 2009 - 05:51 PM
#6
Posted 21 April 2009 - 06:04 PM
#7
Posted 21 April 2009 - 06:46 PM
#8
Posted 21 April 2009 - 07:00 PM
#9
Posted 21 April 2009 - 07:35 PM
#10
Posted 21 April 2009 - 08:31 PM
i want to know where bond's car came from since it seemed like the garage was pretty much destroyed. at first i thought that it was a car that they used to get out to the hotel but then i realized that it said greene planet on it.
I assumed Bond and Camille brought the car and had it hidden away nearby. As far as it saying ‘Greene Planet’, I guess that means Camille brought it.
#11
Posted 21 April 2009 - 08:35 PM
I also assume that's the intention--especially since, as Brent pointed out, it's crummy drama otherwise.Seriously, I don’t think she’d’ve been caught in the fire. I’m sure the second she left Medrano’s room she headed for the nearest exit. She should have had plenty of time to get out.
#12
Posted 21 April 2009 - 08:41 PM
#13
Posted 07 May 2009 - 04:56 PM
I wouldn't think Medrano has that kind of endurance....that's better than being raped and beaten by Medrano for the rest of your life.
#14
Posted 08 May 2009 - 02:01 PM
#15
Posted 08 May 2009 - 05:08 PM
Yeah, that's what I think as well.Seriously, I don’t think she’d’ve been caught in the fire. I’m sure the second she left Medrano’s room she headed for the nearest exit. She should have had plenty of time to get out.
(But I do like the idea of her popping up as a burned/disfigured villain someday. Maybe with diamonds in her face? Nah.)
#16
Posted 09 May 2009 - 09:09 AM
#17
Posted 09 May 2009 - 10:37 AM
I'm sure a facility like that would have numerous fire exits. It's not hard to believe she escaped the building.
And if she did escape, she possibly died in the desert from dehydration!
#18
Posted 09 May 2009 - 10:40 AM
But you are SO WRONG!SHE'S THE HEAD OF QUANTUM!
She's the next Moneypenny.
#19
Posted 22 May 2009 - 05:28 PM
But you are SO WRONG!SHE'S THE HEAD OF QUANTUM!
She's the next Moneypenny.
Actually you're BOTH wrong. The waitress is teaming up with the woman that Mitchell shot in Sienna. They're going to be the new Bambi and Thumper.
#20
Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:51 PM
Seriously, I don’t think she’d’ve been caught in the fire. I’m sure the second she left Medrano’s room she headed for the nearest exit. She should have had plenty of time to get out.
i want to know where bond's car came from since it seemed like the garage was pretty much destroyed. at first i thought that it was a car that they used to get out to the hotel but then i realized that it said greene planet on it.
I assumed Bond and Camille brought the car and had it hidden away nearby. As far as it saying ‘Greene Planet’, I guess that means Camille brought it.
But why would it be one of Greene Planet's cars? I would like to think that Bond and Camille used that VW Beetle to get out to the hotel and that they hid it once they arrived there. It would also make sense that Camille probably stole that Bug for a getaway car, to get Bond away from their hotel and the CIA agents that were after him, after Bond found Fields dead. Only the Colonel's Land Rover was damaged when it backed into that hydrogen pile at the hotel, and the Greene Planet cars looked like they were parked too far away to be seriously affected. Obviously a studio shot, meticulously controlled by the special effects people so no actors would get hurt.
#21
Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:41 PM
Edited by Paul Scrabo, 22 May 2009 - 08:43 PM.
#22
Posted 22 May 2009 - 09:01 PM
This bothered me too, and the fact that this woman was displayed to us and then forgotten about and we are wondering what happened is another example of the unique experience called "QOS"
And what happened to that woman who got shot by Mitchell in Sienna?
I kind of felt the same way when all those innocent bystanders got killed throughout "Ronin." It's messed up but their safety or well-being isn't pivotal to the storyline.
#23
Posted 23 May 2009 - 07:18 PM
#24
Posted 26 May 2009 - 04:28 AM
The ugliest moment (meant in a negative way) that has ever been in a Bond film. Hated that bit.
#25
Posted 26 May 2009 - 04:55 AM
Ronin was big on showing the ugliness of violence to regular people, something I think the Bond series (in it's current form) should show more of.
#26
Posted 27 May 2009 - 04:14 PM
It was supposed to be an ugly moment. Up until this point (in the Bond series) we've never witnessed how violence can affect regular people, it's ugly but it's real.
I think back to Ouromov in GE, plowing through those pedestrians in St. Petersburg. Macabre but almost played for laughs.
#27
Posted 28 May 2009 - 02:18 AM
It was supposed to be an ugly moment. Up until this point (in the Bond series) we've never witnessed how violence can affect regular people, it's ugly but it's real.
I think back to Ouromov in GE, plowing through those pedestrians in St. Petersburg. Macabre but almost played for laughs.
Or the poor chap having his bed of nails mashed up in Octopussy.
#28
Posted 28 May 2009 - 04:34 AM
If that is true then that is bad storytelling. You do not set up a character for the audience's sympathy then not deliver the expected relief. There is an expectation that she will be rescued by Camille or Bond based on the buildup to the point when Medranos is interrupted in his planned rape, then nothing is shown of her fate.
I may simply have a cruel side but I can't say her limited screen time had me 'invested' in that character, or at least had offering some sympathy for her. Don't get me wrong, wondering what the heck happened to her is a good question, but that's more like a small bit of trivia for me. I can't say I ever wondered that and I can't say that I really care.
Edited by eddychaput, 28 May 2009 - 04:35 AM.
#29
Posted 28 May 2009 - 04:51 AM
If that is true then that is bad storytelling. You do not set up a character for the audience's sympathy then not deliver the expected relief. There is an expectation that she will be rescued by Camille or Bond based on the buildup to the point when Medranos is interrupted in his planned rape, then nothing is shown of her fate.
I may simply have a cruel side but I can't say her limited screen time had me 'invested' in that character, or at least had offering some sympathy for her. Don't get me wrong, wondering what the heck happened to her is a good question, but that's more like a small bit of trivia for me. I can't say I ever wondered that and I can't say that I really care.
Agreed.
#30
Posted 28 May 2009 - 05:11 PM
But the real reason her character was there was simply to show what a snake Medrano really was, and that this ugly business of raping women was something he did at every opportunity, not just an occasional thing. Not only that, but we saw how others facilitated his rapes by providing women for him.