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[DKnight007]

It would be fun to see the reintroduction of Money Penny and Q.

However, I hope they stay away from having Bond use OVER THE TOP GADGETS.

The gadgets and equipment need to be practical.

[Zorin Industries]

A lighter, more relaxed BOND 23? Sure. QUANTUM OF SOLACE was particularly lacking in the overt fun factor (not necessarily a bad thing, for what it's worth), so a change of pace might not be a terrible idea.

I imagine that a more relaxed/humorous BOND 23 could play somewhat like CASINO ROYALE, just without the dark/tragic notes of its final sections. I'd be up for that.

I do want to see more enjoyment in Bonds face, he's got over the Vesper thing let him concentrate on being James Bond.

I'd never change what came before because for the first time we've seen the origins now lets see Fleming's Bond truly fly.

Agreed...even if we see Bond giving a wink with Craig adding a smile/smirk in a scene or something would be good to see.

Lets see Craig start to enjoy the dangerous yet fun aspects of being Bond.

No. Not at all. "Dangerous yet fun"...? This is not POLICE ACADEMY.

If Craig winks once at the audience (either literally or not) then the Bond series really will be calling time.

[bond 16.05.72]

It would be fun to see the reintroduction of Money Penny and Q.

However, I hope they stay away from having Bond use OVER THE TOP GADGETS.

The gadgets and equipment need to be practical.

It's all down to the casting and delivering more interesting characters than the caricatures that they descended into as the series went on.

Cleese was so wrong its ridiculous, thank god it was only one film he got to actually play Q having been the apprentice in TWINE.

Craig talked about actually making these proper characters, Craig did mention involving Q as part of the story not as just some side show piece, Desmond got to the point where you could tell when is scenes were coming up , give Q a little mystery, the age of him is an interesting aspect, I'd say make him a good decade or so older than Craig an Agent from field put out of action due to an injury.

I see Q being introduced more credibly, Moneypenny might just have to be M's secretary but minus all the innuendo and double entendres nonsense that Moore thrived on and Brozzer carried on in his entries.

Making her an older than Craig and almost immune to his charm, just a suggestion. I'm not a screenwriter we'll see what P&W and Morgan will come up with.

Edited by bond 16.05.72, 17 June 2009 - 07:35 PM.

[DKnight007]

A lighter, more relaxed BOND 23? Sure. QUANTUM OF SOLACE was particularly lacking in the overt fun factor (not necessarily a bad thing, for what it's worth), so a change of pace might not be a terrible idea.

I imagine that a more relaxed/humorous BOND 23 could play somewhat like CASINO ROYALE, just without the dark/tragic notes of its final sections. I'd be up for that.

I do want to see more enjoyment in Bonds face, he's got over the Vesper thing let him concentrate on being James Bond.

I'd never change what came before because for the first time we've seen the origins now lets see Fleming's Bond truly fly.

Agreed...even if we see Bond giving a wink with Craig adding a smile/smirk in a scene or something would be good to see.

Lets see Craig start to enjoy the dangerous yet fun aspects of being Bond.

No. Not at all. "Dangerous yet fun"...? This is not POLICE ACADEMY.

If Craig winks once at the audience (either literally or not) then the Bond series really will be calling time.

A "Police Academy" Bond is your vision of what I was talking about??

Holy !

What are you smokin? Not something good obviously....

[bond 16.05.72]

A lighter, more relaxed BOND 23? Sure. QUANTUM OF SOLACE was particularly lacking in the overt fun factor (not necessarily a bad thing, for what it's worth), so a change of pace might not be a terrible idea.

I imagine that a more relaxed/humorous BOND 23 could play somewhat like CASINO ROYALE, just without the dark/tragic notes of its final sections. I'd be up for that.

I do want to see more enjoyment in Bonds face, he's got over the Vesper thing let him concentrate on being James Bond.

I'd never change what came before because for the first time we've seen the origins now lets see Fleming's Bond truly fly.

Agreed...even if we see Bond giving a wink with Craig adding a smile/smirk in a scene or something would be good to see.

Lets see Craig start to enjoy the dangerous yet fun aspects of being Bond.

No. Not at all. "Dangerous yet fun"...? This is not POLICE ACADEMY.

If Craig winks once at the audience (either literally or not) then the Bond series really will be calling time.

Zorin do you really see them going for that oh so serious tone like QOS, yes it had humour and I enjoyed it but Bond 23 is likely to be a different animal to QOS.

DK007 & I don't mean silliness but that tone you so approved of in QOS needs to be lightened or you'll watch the box office drop off.

You might not think it but QOS aped Bourne and many people do and as we've said before these films are made for a mass audience not a bunch of geeks in their bedroom dreaming up scenarios for Bond 23, 24 and beyond.

The general public and most of the reviews put out whether you don't agree and I'm sure you'll come back and tell why you don't and that Bond came first etc etc.
Bond did borrow from Bournre and it's plain and simple.

If anything this will indeed be that 3rd difficult album, balancing what has already been established with more of a relaxed Craig, a more seasoned Bond one who should start to revel in the danger just a little bit.

No I don't want tie straightening or snow boarding to the beach boys etc, it will be up to the writers and Director to implement the tone as I said dial that dead pan wit up a notch and keep it sharp like Craig's lines in QOS.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Mmmm good.

Keep giving ideas, as long as you STAY VERY AWAY of the director's chair.



"Irrrina, Take a hiikee!"

[blueman]

Bond borrows from lots of things, no sin. When it - whatever "it" is - gets stale is when the series flounders. Bond was doing hard-edged stuntwork before Bourne was even a twinkle in Ludlum's eye, for an upstart spy film to point out how jaded and, well, boring Bond had become hasn't worked out so bad.

[Zorin Industries]

A lighter, more relaxed BOND 23? Sure. QUANTUM OF SOLACE was particularly lacking in the overt fun factor (not necessarily a bad thing, for what it's worth), so a change of pace might not be a terrible idea.

I imagine that a more relaxed/humorous BOND 23 could play somewhat like CASINO ROYALE, just without the dark/tragic notes of its final sections. I'd be up for that.

I do want to see more enjoyment in Bonds face, he's got over the Vesper thing let him concentrate on being James Bond.

I'd never change what came before because for the first time we've seen the origins now lets see Fleming's Bond truly fly.

Agreed...even if we see Bond giving a wink with Craig adding a smile/smirk in a scene or something would be good to see.

Lets see Craig start to enjoy the dangerous yet fun aspects of being Bond.

No. Not at all. "Dangerous yet fun"...? This is not POLICE ACADEMY.

If Craig winks once at the audience (either literally or not) then the Bond series really will be calling time.

Zorin do you really see them going for that oh so serious tone like QOS, yes it had humour and I enjoyed it but Bond 23 is likely to be a different animal to QOS.

Yes. I do see a serious tone continuing into and beyond BOND 23. Peter Morgan has not written many comedies in his time.

And BOND 23 is probably not likely to be that different tonally to SOLACE. That "serious tone" reignited the wider audience's respect and devotion to James Bond 007. That is not going to be jeopardised by returning to what some fans call "humour". And SOLACE and ROYALE are witty, subtly comedic films at times. It's there if you can see it. It's not there if you can't.

[bond 16.05.72]

Bond borrows from lots of things, no sin. When it - whatever "it" is - gets stale is when the series flounders. Bond was doing hard-edged stuntwork before Bourne was even a twinkle in Ludlum's eye, for an upstart spy film to point out how jaded and, well, boring Bond had become hasn't worked out so bad.

That is fair enough but it doesn't matter what you & I or Zorin think, it out there now it widely accepted that QOS ripped off Bourne, yes it is exaggerated to some extent depending who you talk to but QOS was the whipping horse.

Bourne had in a lot of peoples eyes shown Bond up as you rightly put it and come and shown a well established and lazy film series up for what it is, the influence was used in CR but it still retained the classic approach.

The fast cutting editing that dominated the Bourne series when implemented in Bond and no it was nothing like that fast cutting Hunt used in OHMSS, people use this as an excuse to say Bond did first.

Bourne was serious somewhat po faced and very very fast paced, EON saw that and like other ideas they have implemented throughout the series thought to use it, it has not gone down as well as they expected, it won't be used again I'm almost convinced of that.

[DKnight007]

whoever in their right mind has said the next Bond film needs to be a "comedy"??

Huh?

[DamnCoffee]

Ummm. No one?

[DaveBond21]

A lighter, more relaxed BOND 23? Sure. QUANTUM OF SOLACE was particularly lacking in the overt fun factor (not necessarily a bad thing, for what it's worth), so a change of pace might not be a terrible idea.

I imagine that a more relaxed/humorous BOND 23 could play somewhat like CASINO ROYALE, just without the dark/tragic notes of its final sections. I'd be up for that.

I do want to see more enjoyment in Bonds face, he's got over the Vesper thing let him concentrate on being James Bond.

I'd never change what came before because for the first time we've seen the origins now lets see Fleming's Bond truly fly.

Agreed...even if we see Bond giving a wink with Craig adding a smile/smirk in a scene or something would be good to see.

Lets see Craig start to enjoy the dangerous yet fun aspects of being Bond.

No. Not at all. "Dangerous yet fun"...? This is not POLICE ACADEMY.

If Craig winks once at the audience (either literally or not) then the Bond series really will be calling time.

Zorin do you really see them going for that oh so serious tone like QOS, yes it had humour and I enjoyed it but Bond 23 is likely to be a different animal to QOS.

Yes. I do see a serious tone continuing into and beyond BOND 23. Peter Morgan has not written many comedies in his time.

And BOND 23 is probably not likely to be that different tonally to SOLACE. That "serious tone" reignited the wider audience's respect and devotion to James Bond 007. That is not going to be jeopardised by returning to what some fans call "humour". And SOLACE and ROYALE are witty, subtly comedic films at times. It's there if you can see it. It's not there if you can't.

I agree that all the Craig 007 movies will be serious entries, and some will be darker than others. However, I think these trends come in waves, and I can imagine by 2018 that the Bond movies may be over-the-top or more light-hearted again, just because it may be a trend with all movies at the time. We shall see. But nothing will make the James Bond franchise come to an end.

[bond 16.05.72]

A lighter, more relaxed BOND 23? Sure. QUANTUM OF SOLACE was particularly lacking in the overt fun factor (not necessarily a bad thing, for what it's worth), so a change of pace might not be a terrible idea.

I imagine that a more relaxed/humorous BOND 23 could play somewhat like CASINO ROYALE, just without the dark/tragic notes of its final sections. I'd be up for that.

I do want to see more enjoyment in Bonds face, he's got over the Vesper thing let him concentrate on being James Bond.

I'd never change what came before because for the first time we've seen the origins now lets see Fleming's Bond truly fly.

Agreed...even if we see Bond giving a wink with Craig adding a smile/smirk in a scene or something would be good to see.

Lets see Craig start to enjoy the dangerous yet fun aspects of being Bond.

No. Not at all. "Dangerous yet fun"...? This is not POLICE ACADEMY.

If Craig winks once at the audience (either literally or not) then the Bond series really will be calling time.

Zorin do you really see them going for that oh so serious tone like QOS, yes it had humour and I enjoyed it but Bond 23 is likely to be a different animal to QOS.

Yes. I do see a serious tone continuing into and beyond BOND 23. Peter Morgan has not written many comedies in his time.

And BOND 23 is probably not likely to be that different tonally to SOLACE. That "serious tone" reignited the wider audience's respect and devotion to James Bond 007. That is not going to be jeopardised by returning to what some fans call "humour". And SOLACE and ROYALE are witty, subtly comedic films at times. It's there if you can see it. It's not there if you can't.

I'm not saying completely abandon the feel CR & QOS established but the whole film can't be as intense as QOS because Bond has resolved that drive to get answers. I'm saying the tone will be more relaxed, more humour meaning a few more dead pan lines, I don't want the smutty rubbish that has come out of every Bond's mouth apart from Dalton & Craig returning thank you.

I agree they were subtle, I liked that but Craig's Bond needs to revel and not stress and look so pained as he's done, enjoy the danger, like Connery excelled at when he was at his best.

Edited by bond 16.05.72, 18 June 2009 - 04:58 PM.

[DKnight007]

Still scracthing my head at someone saying by adding some more humor and showing Craig/Bond enjoying the danger a bit more that it would mean it would turn into A "Police Academy" film??

Who's warped vision is that?

Holy crap!

What was that guy smokin? Not something good obviously....

[Zorin Industries]

Still scracthing my head at someone saying by adding some more humor and showing Craig/Bond enjoying the danger a bit more that it would mean it would turn into A "Police Academy" film??

Who's warped vision is that?

Zorin Industries.

And Zorin Industries firmly apologises for using humour in order to dismiss a notion of introducing more "fun" and "humour" into the Bond films as obviously only he and he alone saw wit and nuanced comedy throughout ROYALE and particularly SOLACE - and even more light relief in someone suggesting that Daniel Craig needs more humour in his Bond films. Obviously - as some of us have long suspected - that not everyone saw SOLACE in the same light.

In future Zorin Industries will only make jokes that EVERYONE can understand as it is cruel and nasty to assume that everyone will get a throwaway reference to a POLICE ACADEMY film.

[00Twelve]

That's the one with Leslie Nielsen, right??

[bond 16.05.72]

Still scracthing my head at someone saying by adding some more humor and showing Craig/Bond enjoying the danger a bit more that it would mean it would turn into A "Police Academy" film??

Who's warped vision is that?

Zorin Industries.

And Zorin Industries firmly apologises for using humour in order to dismiss a notion of introducing more "fun" and "humour" into the Bond films as obviously only he and he alone saw wit and nuanced comedy throughout ROYALE and particularly SOLACE - and even more light relief in someone suggesting that Daniel Craig needs more humour in his Bond films. Obviously - as some of us have long suspected - that not everyone saw SOLACE in the same light.

In future Zorin Industries will only make jokes that EVERYONE can understand as it is cruel and nasty to assume that everyone will get a throwaway reference to a POLICE ACADEMY film.

I think it's your assumption you think by suggesting they dial the humour up a notch were proposing that it turn it into a farce, now my feeling on most of the jokey entries aren't that praise worthy.

Zorin you have more time for those type of entries than me, so no I or DK007 wouldn't be suggesting James Bond 23 Agent back in Training just a touch more lighter than the previous 2, with the emotional element now resolved I can't see them inventing something else for Bond to be moody about, not just yet anyway.

[Safari Suit]

And Zorin Industries firmly apologises for using humour in order to dismiss a notion of introducing more "fun" and "humour" into the Bond films as obviously only he and he alone saw wit and nuanced comedy throughout ROYALE and particularly SOLACE - and even more light relief in someone suggesting that Daniel Craig needs more humour in his Bond films. Obviously - as some of us have long suspected - that not everyone saw SOLACE in the same light.

I agree with you. I thought Solace had a great sense of humour; funnier and even probably more prominent than that found in Royale. And I have no problem saying that I found QOS "fun" despite the grim heart of the film. An exciting, fast-paced, visually resplendent, inovative thriller displaying a great range of cinematic techniques and a DePalma-esque sense of playfullness; what isn't "fun" about that?

And I love Police Academy!

[Zorin Industries]

And Zorin Industries firmly apologises for using humour in order to dismiss a notion of introducing more "fun" and "humour" into the Bond films as obviously only he and he alone saw wit and nuanced comedy throughout ROYALE and particularly SOLACE - and even more light relief in someone suggesting that Daniel Craig needs more humour in his Bond films. Obviously - as some of us have long suspected - that not everyone saw SOLACE in the same light.

I agree with you. I thought Solace had a great sense of humour; funnier and even probably more prominent than that found in Royale. And I have no problem saying that I found QOS "fun" despite the grim heart of the film. An exciting, fast-paced, visually resplendent, inovative thriller displaying a great range of cinematic techniques and a DePalma-esque sense of playfullness; what isn't "fun" about that?

And I love Police Academy!

I have had many, many, many happy trips to the cinema to see Lassard and co over the years.

[baerrtt]

Craig himself has suggested in the past that he's up for any tone during his era as long as it's not overdone.

Both his films so far have very humourous moments (certainly more funny lines/scenes than any of the Bourne movies) that balance out their darker than norm Bond storylines for example and thus because it's likely that Craig's Bond will be more relaxed and 'traditional' in the next entry there will still be those serious moments that remind you that this is the Bond of CR and QOS.

[double o ego]

Bond has grown up. He's not supposed to be so mindless in his actions as he was in CR; add to that he's not going to fall in love or be on some emotionally chaotic mission. Bond 23 should see Bond knowing and understaning who he is and basically getting on with business. I want and I also think it would do the series a great service for Bond at least for the next installment to have no personal ties or for him to be deeply involved emotionally with his assignment.

[Emma]

I think that a film similar in tone to TLD would be a perfect way to continue moving the Craig Era forward. I quite liked the style of humor we got in QoS (Bond's reaction to Fields' hotel choice and then his solution to the problem was quite funny, and there were other great moments scattered throughout the film as well), and wouldn't want to see them stray to far from that. A film in the style of TLD would be, I think, a nice compromise on where to go with BOND 23, as it would allow for more humor than we got in QoS, but the humor that would be there would be a bit more subtle than it was in some of the other Bond films.

I echo this. I like Craig's Bond as he is. A tough guy who doesn't take himself too seriously and knows how to joke. Please stay away from the 'English school boy' antics of previous films.

[bond 16.05.72]

Bond has grown up. He's not supposed to be so mindless in his actions as he was in CR; add to that he's not going to fall in love or be on some emotionally chaotic mission. Bond 23 should see Bond knowing and understaning who he is and basically getting on with business. I want and I also think it would do the series a great service for Bond at least for the next installment to have no personal ties or for him to be deeply involved emotionally with his assignment.

Bingo! This is exactly what I want, maybe bed one woman in the course of duty but nothing heavy. As long as they don't sacrifice the Bond as a character and revert back to the get from A to B device he became as time went on.

Craig has invested a real human being with feelings into his Bond and I want to see that continue. The film should still be about and revolve around James Bond.

Wanting just a little more sharp humour as like in CR & QOS surely isn't going to spoil things.

[baerrtt]

I agree Bond should be a little more on the funy side. He has gotten to one dimensional

Craig's Bond has a sense of humour unlike say Damon's Bourne. I sometimes think people had been spoiled by 12 years of Roger Moore's Saturday night light entertainment incarnation of Bond (not to mention Connery and even Brosnan's 'one-liners')that they can't conceive that the character's humour can come out naturally.

[blueman]

I agree Bond should be a little more on the funy side. He has gotten to one dimensional

Craig's Bond has a sense of humour unlike say Damon's Bourne. I sometimes think people had been spoiled by 12 years of Roger Moore's Saturday night light entertainment incarnation of Bond (not to mention Connery and even Brosnan's 'one-liners')that they can't conceive that the character's humour can come out naturally.

Yep yep yep, agree and best use of humor since the early Bonds IMO.

[00Twelve]

I agree Bond should be a little more on the funy side. He has gotten to one dimensional

Craig's Bond has a sense of humour unlike say Damon's Bourne.

A great sensayuma at that. Notice his face when Mendel laughs boisterously at a rather mundane joke. It's perfect. The kind of "Wow, mmkay" that might show up on our own faces. CR might be the first time in a long time that Bond's sense of humor felt like one to which I could relate. No Christmas joke humor here.

[DaveBond21]

I agree Bond should be a little more on the funy side. He has gotten to one dimensional

Craig's Bond has a sense of humour unlike say Damon's Bourne.

A great sensayuma at that. Notice his face when Mendel laughs boisterously at a rather mundane joke. It's perfect. The kind of "Wow, mmkay" that might show up on our own faces. CR might be the first time in a long time that Bond's sense of humor felt like one to which I could relate. No Christmas joke humor here.

That is very true, but remember Bond is British and there is no reason why he shouldn't be double-entendre loving, like a lot of the rest of us Brits. And by the way, flirting with the secretary is a British tradition, not a Bond stereotype....