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[Marcato]

they had been a part of the bond world since SPY with a vitis in every film - and then they were gone after TLD - you can say eliminated for LTK

Why????

was it a decision made by producers or...

[jaguar007]

they had been a part of the bond world since SPY with a vitis in every film - and then they were gone after TLD - you can say eliminated for LTK

Why????

was it a decision made by producers or...

They did not fit in with the story for LTK so they left them out rather than cramming them in. I know they planned to have Gen. Pushkin a recurring character and they talked with Joh Rhys Davies about portraying him in LTK, but Davis said that if it does not fit the story, lets not do it.

[DamnCoffee]

Plus he was filming The Last Crusade at the time, wasn't he?

[TheSaint]

I heard that Walter Gotell wasn't well when they began filming TLD so they created Pushkin. This is why his girlfriend has the same name as Gogol's secretary.

[Turn]

I'd heard Walter Gotell was ill as well around the time TLD started filming. Fitting in Pushkin and Grey would have been somewhat awkward in LTK, especially in light of it going in a more serious direction. Q was enough.

I think the Grey character sort of outgrew his time after the Dalton era and they came brought in people like Tanner and Robinson.

[Strangways]

I like to think that Freddie Grey got sacked.

"We're the laughing stock of the intelligence community! Well, must be going... Meeting with the PM this afternoon..."

And then we saw him no more.

[Jeff007]

I like to think that Freddie Grey got sacked.

"We're the laughing stock of the intelligence community! Well, must be going... Meeting with the PM this afternoon..."

And then we saw him no more.

Hmm.. the imdb has Keen appearing in James Bond Jr. I wasn't aware of that.

[broadshoulder]

I' always amazed that Frederick Gray survived so many governments

1977 - The Spy Who Loved Me - Labour Minister
1979 - Moonraker - Labour minister

Thatcher/Tories elected

1981 - For Your Eyes Only (still minister of defense). Did he defect to the Tories?

Survives 1983 election (Octopussy) and still there in 1987 (TLD). I reckon he was sacked for letting a Russian defector escape.

[sthgilyadgnivileht]

I' always amazed that Frederick Gray survived so many governments

1977 - The Spy Who Loved Me - Labour Minister
1979 - Moonraker - Labour minister

Thatcher/Tories elected

1981 - For Your Eyes Only (still minister of defense). Did he defect to the Tories?

Survives 1983 election (Octopussy) and still there in 1987 (TLD). I reckon he was sacked for letting a Russian defector escape.

It was his first major coup in years after all!

[doublenoughtspy]

Hmm.. the imdb has Keen appearing in James Bond Jr. I wasn't aware of that.

It also listed Judi Dench and a host of other people who never appeared in episodes.

Don't believe everything you read on the IMDB Jeff.

[ACE]

Hmm.. the imdb has Keen appearing in James Bond Jr. I wasn't aware of that.

It also listed Judi Dench and a host of other people who never appeared in episodes.

Don't believe everything you read on the IMDB Jeff.

Pushkin was actually included in a draft of Licence To Kill but John Rhys Davies felt it was a bit tokenistic and felt he'd pass until another script came along which could feature the character more. Unfortuately, that never came.

[Royal Dalton]

He was in the original, pre-Brozza, GoldenEye scripts, as well, of course.

As for the others: General Gogol defected to the West, changed his name, and founded an internet search engine company.

He's now known as General Google.

Returning to the backbenches following the Koskov debacle, Sir Frederick Gray crossed the floor once again to join the newly-formed Liberal Democrats in 1988.

After his parliamentary seat was abolished in 1992 due to boundary changes, Gray was ennobled to the House of Lords, where he now spends his days sleeping, taking bribes, and playing Knockout Whist with David Owen and Shirley Williams.

[Righty007]

Gogol retired and Pushkin replaced him. Why didn't we ever see Puskin again? The Cold War ended in 1991 and Licence to Kill didn't have a Russians in it.

[RivenWinner]

Licence to Kill, in more ways than one, was the end of an era, with many Bond elements, actors and crews making their final appearance. Goldeneye was the start of a new Bond era, one that was mostly in the hands of MGW and Babs.

Grey and Gogol were just two elements that didn't transition over. Certainly if they wanted to, Gogol, or really it would have been Puskin at the time, could have been inserted into Goldeneye, seeing as how it deals with post Cold War Russia.

In fact, they could have used Pushkin in place of Robbie Coltrane's Zukovsky. That would have been interesting, huh?

[Pierce - Daniel]

Grey and Gogol fel in love.















Nah...who cares. Thier characters served there purposed, Grey was generic and forgettable, while Gogol ran out of steam. Pushkin was far more interesting.

[Mr. Blofeld]

In fact, they could have used Pushkin in place of Robbie Coltrane's Zukovsky. That would have been interesting, huh?

I think Pushkin would have been a better fit taking the place of Mishkin; true, he'd also take a bullet, but at least we'd feel sorry for the guy...

[Royal Dalton]

Mishkin was Pushkin originally. And what a waste of Tcheky Karyo that role was.

[JimmyBond]

Mishkin was Pushkin originally. And what a waste of Tcheky Karyo that role was.

I enjoyed him far more as the villian in Bad Boys.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Mishkin was Pushkin originally. And what a waste of Tcheky Karyo that role was.

I enjoyed him far more as the villian in Bad Boys.

He was in Bad Boys?

Anyhow, what was with that strange mustache he wore? It looked like some sort of decayed Dirty Sanchez gone wrong...

[JimmyBond]

I know I didnt realize it was him either, looks completely different.

[FlemingBond]

They both retired. Grey unhappily, and Gogol very happily...with his mistress.

[JimmyBond]

They both retired. Grey unhappily, and Gogol very happily...with his mistress.

How do you know he retired unhappily? Perhaps he had a mistress of his own, just cause we didnt see her doesnt mean she doesnt exist.

[Donovan]

By AVTAK I was sick of Gogol. I just was tired of seeing him popping up in various locations. I can understand him personally confronting Zorin about his KGB ties but going to San Francisco to be the driver for the team that's supposed to destroy Zorin's water facility? Then, as in Octopussy, he is in M's very office. Does that sort of thing actually happen? How nice.

(p.s. Gotell's health was an issue for TLD which, if I remember correctly, was concern enough that the production couldn't get insurance for him. The added bonus was an infinitely better scene in the hotel room was conceived in place of the original comprised of a pleasant conversation over drinks.)

And the Gray character was always dumb. He was kept around as a story device to allow Bond to explain things to the audience. But his irascibility undermined the M character. In the books and earlier films, M was in charge and commanded respect. The one-on-one between M and Bond was great chemistry. With Gray in the mix, M's central authority was muddied. Bond answered to a committee.

Edited by Donovan, 12 March 2009 - 10:03 AM.

[Mercator]

Gogol wented to Foreing Service of Russia. This M says in Living Daylites. Prof Friedrich Grey was the helper of Q, no? And he was not travelling with Q in Licenze to Kill. Then he was replaced by Mitchell Tanner in Goldeneye.