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[Marcato]

GoldenEye - Valentin and Bond

There seems to be some sort of weapon delivery (acording to a deleted scene and the scene that mentiones it in the film) BUT what the hell does Bond talk about - it does not make so much sence - i fell like they just skip over it withou quite explaining it and makes it a little odd scene between Bond and Zukowsky

[right idea, wrong pussy]

GoldenEye - Valentin and Bond

There seems to be some sort of weapon delivery (acording to a deleted scene and the scene that mentiones it in the film) BUT what the hell does Bond talk about - it does not make so much sence - i fell like they just skip over it withou quite explaining it and makes it a little odd scene between Bond and Zukowsky

I'm a huge fan of GE, but I have to agree that this scene is confusing. Clearly Zukovsky is being paid off for helping Bond meet Janus. That's simple. But who did Bond arrange this deal with? Who is Zhukovsky selling the arms to? Where did he get the arms? How does Bond know Zhukovsky even has the explosives?

Rather confusing, all in all.

[dinovelvet]

- it does not make so much sence - i fell like they just skip over it withou quite explaining it

Welcome to the Brosnan era

[JimmyBond]

Bond arranged for a weapons sell. After the weapons are sold, the person who bought the weapons (the competition) will get picked up by the cops, presumably to be tipped off by Bond. While Valentin will keep the money.

That's what the discussion is about.

[Double-Oh Agent]

Bond arranged for a weapons sell. After the weapons are sold, the person who bought the weapons (the competition) will get picked up by the cops, presumably to be tipped off by Bond. While Valentin will keep the money.

That's what the discussion is about.

Bond didn't arrange for the weapons sale. It was already arranged between Zukovsky and the Pakastanis. What Bond did was tip off Zukovsky (from Wade's information) that he and the Russian police also know about the arms deal at Kirov's funeral parlor and when it's going down.

By doing this, Bond lets Zukovsky know that if the Russian cooperates with him, he can tip his man off to "make a miraculous escape" with the money before the police arrive while the Pakastanis wind up with the misfortune of getting arrested with the arms as they drive out of the funeral parlor. The information also allows Bond to settle a score with Zukovsky and gives him a chance to get information on Janus from the newly cooperative Russian. Everybody wins--well, except for the Pakastanis.

[Tybre]

Bond arranged for a weapons sell. After the weapons are sold, the person who bought the weapons (the competition) will get picked up by the cops, presumably to be tipped off by Bond. While Valentin will keep the money.

That's what the discussion is about.

Bond didn't arrange for the weapons sale. It was already arranged between Zukovsky and the Pakastanis. What Bond did was tip off Zukovsky (from Wade's information) that he and the Russian police also know about the arms deal at Kirov's funeral parlor and when it's going down.

By doing this, Bond lets Zukovsky know that if the Russian cooperates with him, he can tip his man off to "make a miraculous escape" with the money before the police arrive while the Pakastanis wind up with the misfortune of getting arrested with the arms as they drive out of the funeral parlor. The information also allows Bond to settle a score with Zukovsky and gives him a chance to get information on Janus from the newly cooperative Russian. Everybody wins--well, except for the Pakastanis.

And nobody cares about them anyway

[JimmyBond]

Bond arranged for a weapons sell. After the weapons are sold, the person who bought the weapons (the competition) will get picked up by the cops, presumably to be tipped off by Bond. While Valentin will keep the money.

That's what the discussion is about.

Bond didn't arrange for the weapons sale. It was already arranged between Zukovsky and the Pakastanis. What Bond did was tip off Zukovsky (from Wade's information) that he and the Russian police also know about the arms deal at Kirov's funeral parlor and when it's going down.

By doing this, Bond lets Zukovsky know that if the Russian cooperates with him, he can tip his man off to "make a miraculous escape" with the money before the police arrive while the Pakastanis wind up with the misfortune of getting arrested with the arms as they drive out of the funeral parlor. The information also allows Bond to settle a score with Zukovsky and gives him a chance to get information on Janus from the newly cooperative Russian. Everybody wins--well, except for the Pakastanis.

Fascinating. Is this explained in the novelization?

[Double-Oh Agent]

Bond arranged for a weapons sell. After the weapons are sold, the person who bought the weapons (the competition) will get picked up by the cops, presumably to be tipped off by Bond. While Valentin will keep the money.

That's what the discussion is about.

Bond didn't arrange for the weapons sale. It was already arranged between Zukovsky and the Pakastanis. What Bond did was tip off Zukovsky (from Wade's information) that he and the Russian police also know about the arms deal at Kirov's funeral parlor and when it's going down.

By doing this, Bond lets Zukovsky know that if the Russian cooperates with him, he can tip his man off to "make a miraculous escape" with the money before the police arrive while the Pakastanis wind up with the misfortune of getting arrested with the arms as they drive out of the funeral parlor. The information also allows Bond to settle a score with Zukovsky and gives him a chance to get information on Janus from the newly cooperative Russian. Everybody wins--well, except for the Pakastanis.

Fascinating. Is this explained in the novelization?

Yes, although I got mixed up about the Pakastanis. The Pakastanis were actually the ones meeting with Zukovsky in his club just before Bond gets reacquainted with the Russian. The guys making the arms deal with Zukovsky's man at the funeral parlor weren't named. I assume they are other Russian mobsters.

[JimmyBond]

Still that's really interesting. Wish they would have expanded on this part a bit more in the film. I know it wasnt vital to the story, but it would have added to the atmosphere.

[sharpshooter]

The Pakastanis were actually the ones meeting with Zukovsky in his club just before Bond gets reacquainted with the Russian. The guys making the arms deal with Zukovsky's man at the funeral parlor weren't named. I assume they are other Russian mobsters.

That's right. There's also a deleted scene of an incompetent Pakistani arms dealer meeting with Valentin.

[JimmyBond]

They don't really have any footage of the arms deal going down. The deleted scene is just setting up what kind of character Valentin is, it's not really related to the arms deal that Bond talks about.

[sharpshooter]

They don't really have any footage of the arms deal going down.

Footage of the arms deal going down does not exist, as far as I know.

The deleted scene is just setting up what kind of character Valentin is, it's not really related to the arms deal that Bond talks about.

I know it's not. It does however highlight the existence of the Pakistanis.

[Blofeld's Cat]

If I remember correctly Campbell mentions in the DVD commentary that a Valentin voice over (while he and Bond are in his car) tried to fill in the gaps of these scenes not being in the movie.

But I can't remember if he said they were shot then cut out or whether they were not shot at all.

Either way the voice over was needed to try and help fill a hole in the movie narrative.