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[danielcraigisjamesbond007]

After "Quantum" and "Casino," what do you think it is that Quantum does? There's a brief mention of it when Greene and Medrano meet in Haiti, and it's repeated to Bond as he drives through the desert.

Edited by danielcraigisjamesbond007, 13 December 2008 - 04:42 PM.

[RemiQ]

In my opinion Quantum is going to be multinational organisation, which goal is to secretretly (unlike SPECTRE) rule the world. I really want to see who is the head of QUANTUM. I really woyld like to see for example reintroduction of Blofed for 21 century!!!! For me QUANTUM is a true enemy for Bond, enemy we have waited for 30 years!

[Matt_13]

They are a secret organization whose primary goal is to make money.

[Eurospy]

They are a secret organization whose primary goal is to make money.

Think so too. They won't be holding the world for ransom or threatening it with some laser-shooting sattelite.

I think that ruling the world in secret is, in generic terms, correct I guess.
The same way that a large corporation who has a vast number of different companies around might well, "rule the world".

And like people with a great deal of money and power, what they always want is even more money and power.

[RemiQ]

I wasn't talking about holding the world as hostage by QUANTUM (like in Diamonds Are Forever by Blofeld). I rather though that Quantum goal is to control the world secretly f.ex. by dictating prices for oil and gas,or trying to control as much world goverments and recources for QUANTUM's profit (Dominic Greene said in QoS that when Medrano will be president of Bolivia 26 countries will officialy recognise him as a legimate president of Bolivia).

[danielcraigisjamesbond007]

Personally, I feel that Quantum is like a bank for terrorists. If a terrorist/business wants something done, they go to Quantum to get it done. To prove it, Dominic Greene says how Quantum changed the government of Haiti to Medrano.

[RemiQ]

I don't think that QUANTUM is like ,,bank for terrorists", because f.ex. plan to restore Medrano as president and control water supplies of Bolivia was made by QUANTUM itself. No one had interest to control water in the country, besides QUANTUM and Dominic Greene. Even Americans helped QUANTUM because of Bolivia's oil not water. I really think that ,,Tierra Project" was one of several QUANTUM's operations in different parts of the world in order to secretly control world goverments and recources. I'm still wondering who is the true head of QUANTUM, meabe Guy Haines, Mr. White or somebody else. What do you think?

[Willowhugger]

I think that QUANTUM wouldn't be adverse to ruling the world, but I think it's important to realize that until You Only Live Twice; Spectre wasn't about Ruling the World (even then they were being paid by Red China rather than doing it on their own). They were just trying to make money.

You can be interested in increasing your POWER as well as increasing your pocket book without believing you have a realistic chance of conquering the world.

Which I think Quantum is all about. They want more authority and more power, but don't think they'll dominate the globe either.

[RemiQ]

Controling the world doesnt' mean that QUANTUM will be something like ,,lead nation" or ,,leading group". I rather think that their want to control world situation for their own profit like controling recources, goverments and big companies in order to earn more money and manipulate world events. They could also disturp goverments unless it will make decisions good for them (f.ex. selling a pipeline etc.). If QUANTUM doesn't has a boss (I really doubt that, because I still think that there is still someone who controls the Organisaion), I think QUANTUM is an acronim of the founders (first letters of the names).

[Willowhugger]

I think Quantum is just something they wanted to sound cool.

My theory about Quantum's origins is that it's just a collection of Ex-Intelligence Personal and Businessmen who want to influence world politics for their own profit. I think Greene was sounding a bit nuts even to his fellow Quantum members when he stated they needed to control as much of the worlds water as possible.

[RemiQ]

I agree, but I'm wondering who is the head of the Organisaion. Guy Haines is someone who can be new Emilio Largo I think as he is the highest ranking member of QUANTUM known to MI6 and Bond. Meabe the deleted ending of QoS with him would lead us to the boss of QUANTUM?

[Willowhugger]

If they do make Mister White the head of the organization via retcon, it'll be hilarious that James and M had unknowingly captured the Blofeld equivalent at the start.

[Pierce - Daniel]

There a middlemen type of group, they operate in the shadows and have puppets everywhere ie in the CIA and the Brisitsh Government, whetehr they are aware they are working for the bad guys or not. They are huge and operate all over the place, there main aims are to make money and lots of it, I'm sure they want a strong hold of the world so they know there in charge, they don't want to rule the world in the crazy Dr. Evil type way, but more in a subtle way, there men are everywhere and whether in high postions or not can manipulate control of the system.
We're seen little of them.
In CR we found out that terriosts turn to the organization to help bank their money, of course the banker they used was Le Chiffre who was a little reckless in his actions, so CR was really Le Chiffre's story, Quantum were only in the background, in QOS they really come out to play.

[RemiQ]

Yeah, but Le Chiffre was ,,intergal part" of QUANTRUM as he served as banker for them. I really would like to see Bond infiltrating the house of Guy Haines- in my opinion nr 2 in QUANTUM in the deleted scene of QoS

[Willowhugger]

Yeah, but Le Chiffre was ,,intergal part" of QUANTRUM as he served as banker for them. I really would like to see Bond infiltrating the house of Guy Haines- in my opinion nr 2 in QUANTUM in the deleted scene of QoS

Yeah, James has done a number on Quantum already. Presumably, at this point, he's killed two members of Quantum's Board of Directors. Specifically, he's killed the guy in the bathroom and got Dominic Greene killed. He's also exposed a few of their other members.

I don't know if Le Chiffre was a Board Member or not but he was definitely someone high up in the group.

He's roughly at the point where James Bond was with SPECTRE by the start of Thunderball.

Edited by Willowhugger, 14 December 2008 - 11:10 PM.

[001carus]

If they do make Mister White the head of the organization via retcon, it'll be hilarious that James and M had unknowingly captured the Blofeld equivalent at the start.

That'd be so classic. Kind of like in Lost when the Plane Survivors captured Benjamin unwillingly knowing he's the leader of the Others.

[Bondian]

Maybe Craig-Bond is the new "number-six" (aka 'The Prisoner'). 'M' is "number-two".

Okay. Sounds hideous, but "number-two" could never understand or "trust" 'number-six'.

[00Twelve]

Yeah, but Le Chiffre was ,,intergal part" of QUANTRUM as he served as banker for them. I really would like to see Bond infiltrating the house of Guy Haines- in my opinion nr 2 in QUANTUM in the deleted scene of QoS

Yeah, James has done a number on Quantum already. Presumably, at this point, he's killed two members of Quantum's Board of Directors. Specifically, he's killed the guy in the bathroom and got Dominic Greene killed. He's also exposed a few of their other members.

I don't know if Le Chiffre was a Board Member or not but he was definitely someone high up in the group.

He's roughly at the point where James Bond was with SPECTRE by the start of Thunderball.

I never got the impression that Le Chiffre was anything above a low-level operative. He seemed a little on the outskirts to me. He was a highly-reputed banker for terrorists, but that didn't translate to him being Quantum's banker IMO. I saw nothing to make me think he was a high-ranking operative like Greene probably was. And even Greene's probably not more than a treasurer or financial chief. In any case, neither were above a bullet to the head for being untrustworthy.

White's another matter. While I see him as a "problem eliminator" and a facilitator, I wouldn't bat an eye if EON were to suddenly declare that he's a lot higher up than he seems. Like, as high as it gets. If there even is a hierarchy.

[Willowhugger]

I never got the impression that Le Chiffre was anything above a low-level operative. He seemed a little on the outskirts to me. He was a highly-reputed banker for terrorists, but that didn't translate to him being Quantum's banker IMO. I saw nothing to make me think he was a high-ranking operative like Greene probably was. And even Greene's probably not more than a treasurer or financial chief. In any case, neither were above a bullet to the head for being untrustworthy.

My personal theory is that Quantum is HUGELY INFLUENTIAL but not *HUGE*, if you catch my drift. Being a member of Quantum is like being a member of SPECTRE. You're part of the Board of Directors and an elite small group outside of it. Dominic Greene might have been brought in to replace Le Chirrfe or he might have always been a member but the very fact he's a member of the organization is a big issue.

White's another matter. While I see him as a "problem eliminator" and a facilitator, I wouldn't bat an eye if EON were to suddenly declare that he's a lot higher up than he seems. Like, as high as it gets. If there even is a hierarchy.

I think it's more a Council of Equals with a Chairman probably, rather than the Kingdom that was SPECTRE (with Blofeld as King at the top and Largo as Heir apparent).

[stamper]

I think the producers have decided that QUANTUM is over and done with. Greene spilled the beans to Bond, and ugly duck is arrested. End of story. Quantum is over.

No more Quantum.

[sharpshooter]

I think the producers have decided that QUANTUM is over and done with. Greene spilled the beans to Bond, and ugly duck is arrested. End of story. Quantum is over.

No more Quantum.

I don't think so at all. Craig has said that they have this organisation to use whenever they wish. I expect to see Quantum appear in Bond 23, although with a smaller role. They will probably burst back to life big time with a plot for Bond 24.

[Willowhugger]

I think the producers have decided that QUANTUM is over and done with. Greene spilled the beans to Bond, and ugly duck is arrested. End of story. Quantum is over.

No more Quantum.

No, then we would have had a finish to it.

[byline]

I think the producers have decided that QUANTUM is over and done with. Greene spilled the beans to Bond, and ugly duck is arrested. End of story. Quantum is over.

No more Quantum.

You could be right, but I disagree. Surely there are more divisions to Quantum than water; after all, Le Chiffre was doing banking for terrorists on behalf of Quantum. Greene spilled the beans about Yusef; that's what Bond was looking for. But Yusef doesn't strike me as someone who's as high up the food chain as, say, Mr. White, so there's only so much he will know. He'll tell them everything, of course, but then there will be plenty more to uncover, IMO.

[RemiQ]

I really don't think that Greene would tell Bond everything about QUANTUM. He could tell him only about Yusef and the location of the Guy Haines's manor. I think that Haines is the key member of QUANTUM, who knows about all of it's secret inluding who is the head? That's why Mr. White would try to kill him in the deleted scene. I still think that Mr. White could be nr. 3 in QUANTUM- new Kronsteen and Haines as nr 2- new Largo

[tdalton]

I think the producers have decided that QUANTUM is over and done with. Greene spilled the beans to Bond, and ugly duck is arrested. End of story. Quantum is over.

No more Quantum.

You could be right, but I disagree. Surely there are more divisions to Quantum than water; after all, Le Chiffre was doing banking for terrorists on behalf of Quantum. Greene spilled the beans about Yusef; that's what Bond was looking for. But Yusef doesn't strike me as someone who's as high up the food chain as, say, Mr. White, so there's only so much he will know. He'll tell them everything, of course, but then there will be plenty more to uncover, IMO.

Agreed. I think that the only thing Greene really told Bond was Yusef's location, which was really what the film was all about. Of course, Bond investigated Greene's plan to steal the water supply, but the entire film was about him getting to someone who could tell him where Yusef was, and I think that is just about all that Greene told Bond about Quantum.

[danielcraigisjamesbond007]

Supposedly, Quantum is some sort of acronym. I'm curious to see what anyone thinks that Quantum stands for (if anything)

Personally, I don't think that Quantum stands for anything...

[AgentBentley]

Guy Haines is still around, so Quantum lives.
I also see it as a worldwide organization of businessmen working together to expand their reach over energy sources, banks, governments, and whatever else they need to get what they want.

I hope they keep on using Quantum as long as what they do is believable.

[MajorB]

Yeah, but Le Chiffre was ,,intergal part" of QUANTRUM as he served as banker for them. I really would like to see Bond infiltrating the house of Guy Haines- in my opinion nr 2 in QUANTUM in the deleted scene of QoS

Yeah, James has done a number on Quantum already. Presumably, at this point, he's killed two members of Quantum's Board of Directors. Specifically, he's killed the guy in the bathroom and got Dominic Greene killed. He's also exposed a few of their other members.

I don't know if Le Chiffre was a Board Member or not but he was definitely someone high up in the group.

He's roughly at the point where James Bond was with SPECTRE by the start of Thunderball.

I never got the impression that Le Chiffre was anything above a low-level operative. He seemed a little on the outskirts to me. He was a highly-reputed banker for terrorists, but that didn't translate to him being Quantum's banker IMO. I saw nothing to make me think he was a high-ranking operative like Greene probably was. And even Greene's probably not more than a treasurer or financial chief. In any case, neither were above a bullet to the head for being untrustworthy.

White's another matter. While I see him as a "problem eliminator" and a facilitator, I wouldn't bat an eye if EON were to suddenly declare that he's a lot higher up than he seems. Like, as high as it gets. If there even is a hierarchy.

I'm not sure Le Chiffre was even a "member" of Quantum--the way he was introduced by White, it almost seemed as if he were an independent operator who performed services for Quantum, and in return they acted as middle-man to set him up with clients. I got that same impression from White's remark before killing Le Chiffre that "They need to know who to trust." Almost like, We've tried you out a few times and thought it would work out, but . . . mmm, not so much. BANG!

My hunch is that Quantum is a more loose-jointed operation than SPECTRE was. One thing I noticed during QoS was that nobody was described as working for Quantum, but rather with them--I'm pretty sure that statement was made a couple of times in the film. It may be more of a loose network of associates than a hierarchical structure. Which would fit with how they conduct their "business meetings." And the fact that there was an open discussion about what their priorities should be, rather than a dictum from one single authority.

Either way, I don't think Greene could have been Le Chiffre's "replacement," as one post suggested--Greene and Le Chiffre had to have been operating at the same time, and Greene seemed pretty comfortably settled in--or with--Quantum during QoS.

And I'm not sure "Quantum" is meant to be an acronym. I don't think BB or MW ever voluntarily stated that it was--I think it was more a question of the press asking would the name stood for and BB saying--probably facetiously--"I don't know, have you got any suggestions?" I like it better as a plain old name, without somebody having to make up "Quite Angry Nuts Treacherously Undermining Mum" or whatever.

[RemiQ]

What do you think about Haines role in QUANTUM? As I said before I think he is person nr. 2 in QUANTUM and he could lead as to person nr. 1- boss of QUANTUM (meabe not kind of dictator like Blofeld's role in Thunderball but someone who controls all Organisation's operations around the world). And of course Mr. White, who was suppoused to be in the deleted ending of QoS also could indicate Guy Haines as nr. 2 in The Organisation.

[Colonel Moon]

There is Quantum member when Green has a speech