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[DamnCoffee]

Here are some questions that have been bothering me.

• MI6 know that bond is "difficult to control" yeah? So, they send a secretary after him? A young, niave secretery? Certainly she's the countys field op, and she was just sent to turn Bond around.... but Bond is Bond, surely M would know this?

And...

• How does M know Bond is in Bolivia, when he has fake credit cards and passports?

[BlackFire]

I think M could track him because Bond's cellphone had a tracker or something like that, that's how Tanner was able to track Bond in Haiti after he killed Slate.

And the Fields thing.. well she was the only contact near Bond so I assume she was the only option.

Edited by BlackFire, 21 November 2008 - 03:09 PM.

[Mister Asterix]

Here are some questions that have been bothering me.

• MI6 know that bond is "difficult to control" yeah? So, they send a secretary after him? A young, niave secretery? Certainly she's the countys field op, and she was just sent to turn Bond around.... but Bond is Bond, surely M would know this?

And...

• How does M know Bond is in Bolivia, when he has fake credit cards and passports?

The second question answers the first question: obviously they found out Bond would be in Bolivia at the last minute so had no time to send their own man in so they asked the consulate to send some one. The consulate, not being familiar with Bond, sent a secretary.

As to the second question: They have people everywhere.

[DamnCoffee]

Thanks Blackfire and Mister Asterix.

[DamnCoffee]

Another Question....

• At the end of the movie, Bond says to M... "Congratulations, you were right." and M replies with, "About what?" and Bond concludes, "About Vesper". What was M right about? What did she say to Bond about her? The only thing I can think of is at the end of Casino Royale where she says, "She made a deal to spare your life in exhange for the money..", but I thought Bond was already aware of that.

[DavidSomerset]

I think M could track him because Bond's cellphone had a tracker or something like that, that's how Tanner was able to track Bond in Haiti after he killed Slate.

And the Fields thing.. well she was the only contact near Bond so I assume she was the only option.

Doesn't Bond have the chip on his shoulder, oops - chip in his arm? Yes, it was removed in CR but doesn't Q branch have a 2nd chip that they can inject into all their reckless agents?

As for Agent Fields - after the reboot, we dont have Bond as a sex crazed maniac who M can send to "pump for information". So M doesnt think that Daniel will plough the Fields.

[DamnCoffee]

Doesn't Bond have the chip on his shoulder, oops - chip in his arm? Yes, it was removed in CR but doesn't Q branch have a 2nd chip that they can inject into all their reckless agents?

If thats true, then why does Bond make a big deal about telling them he's heading to Ciaro?

[BlackFire]

Another Question....


At the end of the movie, Bond says to M... "Congratulations, you were right." and M replies with, "About what?" and Bond concludes, "About Vesper". What was M right about? What did she say to Bond about her? The only thing I can think of is at the end of Casino Royale where she says, "She made a deal to spare your life in exhange for the money..", but I thought Bond was already aware of that.

I assume, (because you're right, she never told him more than that) M told Bond that Vesper loved him and gave her life in order to save him, her 'betrayal' was for love.

Then he was aware of that when she left Mr. White's number.

You may also want to consider when she told about trust, 'when you can tell your friends from your enemies it's time to go' he never left because he inside trusted Vesper.

Edited by BlackFire, 21 November 2008 - 08:15 PM.

[DavidSomerset]

Doesn't Bond have the chip on his shoulder, oops - chip in his arm? Yes, it was removed in CR but doesn't Q branch have a 2nd chip that they can inject into all their reckless agents?

If thats true, then why does Bond make a big deal about telling them he's heading to Ciaro?

Probably because they injected him with the chip while he was sleeping or as a "normal" flu shot

[DamnCoffee]

But, I thought Bond hadn't slept for ages.

[MattofSteel]

Here are some questions that have been bothering me.

• MI6 know that bond is "difficult to control" yeah? So, they send a secretary after him? A young, niave secretery? Certainly she's the countys field op, and she was just sent to turn Bond around.... but Bond is Bond, surely M would know this?

And...

• How does M know Bond is in Bolivia, when he has fake credit cards and passports?

A - Like it was said, it's a last minute kind of thing. Explains to me, her hilarious strip-ogram wardrobe. As if some inexperienced office girl was suddenly told, "go be a spy," she wears this hilarious trenchcoat.

B - "Rene Mathis was found dead in La Paz, Bolivia. The police claim it was Bond." MI6 had no idea where he was until that point, when Greene's men/the police sent the information to the wire in the hopes that Bond's own people would get after him and do their dirty work for him.

Another Question....

• At the end of the movie, Bond says to M... "Congratulations, you were right." and M replies with, "About what?" and Bond concludes, "About Vesper". What was M right about? What did she say to Bond about her? The only thing I can think of is at the end of Casino Royale where she says, "She made a deal to spare your life in exhange for the money..", but I thought Bond was already aware of that.

You're absolutely right - it's a direct callback to that scene. Think about how it plays out in CR.

M is trying to convince Bond, "stop, think about the situation when you were getting your nuts walluped. The assassin didn't kill you, because she obviously made a deal to spare your life in exchange for her getting the password/money out of you and into the hands of Quantum." Why would she do that if she didn't love him?

But Bond hangs up on her. Can't listen to anymore. He's reeling from the shock and anger at her betrayal, emphasis on the anger. Remember in the midst of the pursuit through Venice - "allow me" - he was quite ready to do away with the girl out of blind rage.

Essentially, after the phone call with M, I found Bond to be in denial - and it takes the duration of QoS for him to get over it.

He's saying M was right, that Vesper wasn't a completely cold hearted witch, and that she did in fact love him. Their lovely little talk about regret is about him coming to grips that the events which transpired were largely beyond his control.

I loved the way they ended up handling it.

[DavidSomerset]

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You're absolutely right - it's a direct callback to that scene. Think about how it plays out in CR.

M is trying to convince Bond, "stop, think about the situation when you were getting your nuts walluped. The assassin didn't kill you, because she obviously made a deal to spare your life in exchange for her getting the password/money out of you and into the hands of Quantum." Why would she do that if she didn't love him?

But Bond hangs up on her. Can't listen to anymore. He's reeling from the shock and anger at her betrayal, emphasis on the anger. Remember in the midst of the pursuit through Venice - "allow me" - he was quite ready to do away with the girl out of blind rage.

Essentially, after the phone call with M, I found Bond to be in denial - and it takes the duration of QoS for him to get over it.

He's saying M was right, that Vesper wasn't a completely cold hearted witch, and that she did in fact love him. Their lovely little talk about regret is about him coming to grips that the events which transpired were largely beyond his control.

I loved the way they ended up handling it.

Absolutely correct, couldnt have explained it better. I explained in similar terms to wifey about why I felt the last 5 minutes of the movie were classic material.

Edited by DavidSomerset, 21 November 2008 - 08:27 PM.

[bondrules]

Regarding continuity, and not that it matters much, but I think they forgot about Greene's foot injury sometime during filming....his feet looked fine when Bond dumps him in the desert.

[DavidSomerset]

Regarding continuity, and not that it matters much, but I think they forgot about Greene's foot injury sometime during filming....his feet looked fine when Bond dumps him in the desert.

Wasn't he limping off into the sunset when Bond caught him to give him a dose of motor oil?

[bondrules]

he was limping, but his feet weren't hacked anywhere

[DavidSomerset]

As far as I remember he hit his own foot once with the axe. Probably need to watch this again on DVD to check. Maybe you are right...

[MattofSteel]

He just cuts into one foot. It wouldn't even be visible unless you knew to look for it. He was visibly hurting the entire time afterward.

I know for realism's sake, a gory trail of blood might be nice, but that may have hit some resistance from censors .

[bondrules]

I've seen the movie only once, but I couldn't forget at the time how painful it looked when he hit his own foot with it. So much so, that I was looking at his feet during his final scene, and I was very much surprised that the only thing I saw was dust on his shoes. No blood, no crack.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

I've seen the movie only once, but I couldn't forget at the time how painful it looked when he hit his own foot with it. So much so, that I was looking at his feet during his final scene, and I was very much surprised that the only thing I saw was dust on his shoes. No blood, no crack.

I think in the Bond on Set book in a photo you can see the slice mark left from the blade of the ax, in Greene's shoe. I'd have to check to be sure. He is limping/crawling in the movie as well as he was trying to get away before Bond grabbed him. When Bond is about to leave him in the Desert, Greene's standing with his weight on the uninjured foot.

[bondrules]

Yeah, I went over our CBn photo bin to look at those, but couldn't see the cut. If you have the book, maybe you can get a better look.

[Joey Bond]

Another question. The scene right after we see Fields covered in oil and Bond escapes from the hotel and runs into M, he said something about Fields which I couldn't pick up on. What did he say? All I know was the reply went something like "But you'll have a capture and kill warrant on you"

[Innukchuck]

Bond says Fields showed great courage during the mission and that he want's to see that on her death relatory.

[DavidSomerset]

Another question. The scene right after we see Fields covered in oil and Bond escapes from the hotel and runs into M, he said something about Fields which I couldn't pick up on. What did he say? All I know was the reply went something like "But you'll have a capture and kill warrant on you"

He says something like "Ms. Fields -she showed true bravery. I want that mentioned in your report.". Not verbatim but something to this effect.

When Mathis is dying, Bond asks whether Mathis is a code name, and Mathis says yes. Not a good code name, is it - says Bond. Why is it not a good code name? Does it mean something silly in French? Babynames.com says"The meaning of the name Mathis is Gift Of God". So what was this dialogue all about?

[Innukchuck]

I Think it was a nod to the fact that Mathis is french and they got a clearly italian actor to play him.

[sorking]

When Mathis is dying, Bond asks whether Mathis is a code name, and Mathis says yes. Not a good code name, is it - says Bond. Why is it not a good code name? Does it mean something silly in French? Babynames.com says"The meaning of the name Mathis is Gift Of God". So what was this dialogue all about?

Mathis is a lousy cover name...because it's also his real name. In terms of going undetected, it's maybe not the wisest move.

Note that Bond typically does this, too. And that Mathis - with his hard-to-shake-off MI6 past and bathing beauty on-tap - is in many ways the kind of guy Bond may be when he gets older.

[DavidSomerset]

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Mathis is a lousy cover name...because it's also his real name. In terms of going undetected, it's maybe not the wisest move.

Note that Bond typically does this, too. And that Mathis - with his hard-to-shake-off MI6 past and bathing beauty on-tap - is in many ways the kind of guy Bond may be when he gets older.

If Mathis is his real name (at least in the novels, it is) then why say it is a cover name? Robert Sterling is a cover name, James Bond is not (unless Lee Tamahori thinks so). Confused more

[Joey Bond]

Another question. The scene right after we see Fields covered in oil and Bond escapes from the hotel and runs into M, he said something about Fields which I couldn't pick up on. What did he say? All I know was the reply went something like "But you'll have a capture and kill warrant on you"

He says something like "Ms. Fields -she showed true bravery. I want that mentioned in your report.". Not verbatim but something to this effect.

When Mathis is dying, Bond asks whether Mathis is a code name, and Mathis says yes. Not a good code name, is it - says Bond. Why is it not a good code name? Does it mean something silly in French? Babynames.com says"The meaning of the name Mathis is Gift Of God". So what was this dialogue all about?

Thank you, both of you. It was one of the best scenes in the film for me. Now I can fully understand it

[Byron]

Regarding continuity, and not that it matters much, but I think they forgot about Greene's foot injury sometime during filming....his feet looked fine when Bond dumps him in the desert.

Wasn't he limping off into the sunset when Bond caught him to give him a dose of motor oil?

Several questions here:
1)Greene was found dead in the desert with his stomach full of oil and 2 bullets in his head.

I assume that someone in Quantum caught up to him, made him drink the oil before shooting him in the head, for his failure. Would this be right?

2) What made the hotel start blowing up initially and why did it continue to do so? Was it the those hydrogen tanks? Also why were there flammable hydrogen(?) tanks in each room?

[sorking]

Regarding continuity, and not that it matters much, but I think they forgot about Greene's foot injury sometime during filming....his feet looked fine when Bond dumps him in the desert.

Wasn't he limping off into the sunset when Bond caught him to give him a dose of motor oil?

Several questions here:
1)Greene was found dead in the desert with his stomach full of oil and 2 bullets in his head.

I assume that someone in Quantum caught up to him, made him drink the oil before shooting him in the head, for his failure. Would this be right?

2) What made the hotel start blowing up initially and why did it continue to do so? Was it the those hydrogen tanks? Also why were there flammable hydrogen(?) tanks in each room?

1) Greene walked through the desert until the intense thirst got to him, at which point he drank some of the oil out of utter desperation. He kept going, but in the end it wasn't dehydration that killed him - it was Quantum catching up to him.

2) Yes. And the tanks weren't in the rooms, exactly, they were inside the walls, attached to the recharging cells on the outside.

[byline]

He's saying M was right, that Vesper wasn't a completely cold hearted witch, and that she did in fact love him. Their lovely little talk about regret is about him coming to grips that the events which transpired were largely beyond his control.

I loved the way they ended up handling it.

Superb analysis of that line, where so little said so much. I, too, loved the way they handled Bond reaching that point, because they showed us, rather than telling us. Superb visual storytelling!

Also, we are shown so much in the Canadian agent's reaction. She has only two words of dialogue (a mumbled "thank you"), yet we see her face dissolve from someone deeply and happily in love, into fear, disbelief, heartbreak, shame and resignation, all in just a few seconds. We see -- and so does Bond -- what Vesper went through in the entirety of "Casino Royale" . . . with the added element of Vesper falling in love with Bond. By the time Bond meets M outside, he has accepted what both she and Mathis were trying to tell him: that Vesper really did love him, and she saved his life (and sacrificed her own) for that reason.

Edited by byline, 23 November 2008 - 05:11 PM.