The point was atmosphere.
The atmosphere was pointless.
Yeah, ’cause that scene would’ve played much more exciting in a WalMart parking lot in Des Moines.
(That was my sarcastic voice.)
Posted 21 November 2008 - 07:44 PM
The point was atmosphere.
The atmosphere was pointless.
(That was my sarcastic voice.)
Posted 21 November 2008 - 08:14 PM
Quite so.However... there's something about the way this is filmed that manages to get across quite a lot of information in a very short period of time. Bilbao is not integrated at all in TWINE - there really is no reason for it to be there than to feature a cool place. And Siena initially appears the same, but in fact Forster has simply compressed - like he has done so much - the traditional idea of this sort of locale-hopping. There is a purpose to it - an ancient cultural scene of primeval competitiveness, an explosive chase through the streets about to find a parallel with Bond and Mitchell - but although it's very fleeting, the texture is there, in a way it really isn't in TWINE with Bilbao. You feel you're in Italy.
Indeed it is.Bloody well right. It's one of the most striking, surprising and sobering touches in any Bond film ever.And what I especially loved was how an innocent bystander was shot and killed, and that Forster was willing to return to the scene after the chase just to show the mess. It's rare in a Bond film that violence has consequences beyond those immediately involved.
Yeah, ’cause that scene would’ve played much more exciting in a WalMart parking lot in Des Moines.The atmosphere was pointless.The point was atmosphere.
(That was my sarcastic voice.)
Posted 21 November 2008 - 08:38 PM
I see QoS as rather like an iceberg: only an eighth is showing above the surface. Very unusual for a Bond film - richly rewarding, though.
Posted 21 November 2008 - 08:54 PM
Posted 21 November 2008 - 09:01 PM
I hope you won't mind my saying this, Loomis, after however many 'conversations' we have shared in this odd virtual world, but I occasionally find that you have an ever-so-slightly odd festishistic need to place art in some sort of wider context.
Posted 21 November 2008 - 09:08 PM
Posted 21 November 2008 - 10:06 PM
But I do find myself a bit mystified by all the ranking going on.
Posted 21 November 2008 - 10:16 PM
Posted 22 November 2008 - 12:06 AM
Well, on reflection, I'm perhaps coming across as a bit harsh and I don't mean to, sorry. I do enjoy it - Stone Roses outros! - and I guess to some degree it's why we're all here, having lots of conversations about films we've seen, trying to make sense of them.
But I do find myself a bit mystified by all the ranking going on. I've just never been that interested in doing that, perhaps partly because my views aren't all that fixed! I'd humbly suggest - while I'm having my third go at you in as many days, I realise! - that yours aren't either. You disliked Casino Royale quite a lot on first viewing, I seem to remember.
I've never been that sort of a fan about Bond, or anything else. I know I prefer Quantum of Solace to, say, The Man With The Golden Gun (just plucking an example out of the air innocently ), but the thought of deciding all my Bond films in order and so on doesn't and never has appealed to me. It's not static, and the criteria are too numerous and, well, I don't know why. I've never been into collecting stuff, either.
Posted 22 November 2008 - 01:37 AM
Posted 22 November 2008 - 06:17 AM
I agree as well. If there had been more of the Palio race shown, then it would have better integrated into the action and generated a better feeling of atmosphere. Instead, we get two or three brief shots of the beginning and ending of the race and later Bond coming out of the tunnels amongst the crowd. One good establishing shot of the event would have been either a rooftop or an aerial view of the horses racing around the people/square. That would have shown the speed and danger of the race and mixed with the crowd's enthusiasm and excitement would have greatly added to the atmosphere--and the film.Some very bad examples from your side since these scenes were so perfectly integrated in to the action. Nothing like what we got in QOS. The 5 seconds from the Palio chase doesn't even deserve to be mentioned, or compared, with any of these scenes.That´s just an excuse to make QOS more arty Farty.
What about the pyramid show in TSWLM?
What about the orchestra and later opera in TLD?
What about the skating show in OHMSS?
What about the Junkanoo and the Carnival in Thunderball and Moonraker?
What about the St Sophia tourist tour in FRWL?
Absolutely agree.
Posted 22 November 2008 - 06:32 AM
Posted 22 November 2008 - 08:50 AM
You boringly normal, sane, non-fanboyish so-and-so, you.
Posted 22 November 2008 - 08:58 AM
True, but as they were not allowed to film any actual carnage (especially to the horses) that usually occurs during these races it was a bit sanitised.Precisely. It sets a mood and adds some exotic, sporting flavour.The point was atmosphere.
Posted 22 November 2008 - 11:44 AM
I have another question about the horse race: At one point, the crowd rushes over to the railing. Did a horse fall, or was a jockey shot by Bond or the other fellow? Things happened so quickly that I had a hard time keeping up.
Posted 22 November 2008 - 01:05 PM
Posted 22 November 2008 - 07:26 PM
Edited by byline, 23 November 2008 - 07:48 PM.
Posted 22 November 2008 - 08:14 PM
Edited by Paul Scrabo, 22 November 2008 - 08:16 PM.
Posted 22 November 2008 - 09:52 PM
Posted 22 November 2008 - 10:02 PM
And what was with that girl being shot...or was it my imagination...??
Paul
Posted 23 November 2008 - 07:49 PM
I agree.And what was with that girl being shot...or was it my imagination...??
Paul
It's there to show that all action has consequences. Something that's not really reflected upon in any other Bond film. A bold move for the Bond series imo.