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Quantum Of Solace is the Best James Bond Film Ever


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#121 The Shark

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 09:59 PM

And then there's fans like me, who love the editing. B)

As do I; I also love how compact the film is, like an actual Fleming novel, which tosses in chunks of emotional nuggets into what essentially is a fast, rugged pulp story. That's QOS, albeit with more emotional development than most people here are saying. :tdown:


Yep. Except that Fleming's novels (with perhaps the exception of CR) were hardly compact, stark and skeletal like QOS. They went along at a lackadaisical pace, embracing life, class, culture, food, smoking, women - with action and suspense to join the dots.

With QOS there's hardly any of the former.

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 11:53 AM

And then there's fans like me, who love the editing. B)

As do I; I also love how compact the film is, like an actual Fleming novel, which tosses in chunks of emotional nuggets into what essentially is a fast, rugged pulp story. That's QOS, albeit with more emotional development than most people here are saying. :tdown:


Yep. Except that Fleming's novels (with perhaps the exception of CR) were hardly compact, stark and skeletal like QOS. They went along at a lackadaisical pace, embracing life, class, culture, food, smoking, women - with action and suspense to join the dots.

With QOS there's hardly any of the former.

Sure there is, it's just (reasonably) condensed for a thriller film made 50 years after Fleming's writings (but I suppose it's that "reasonably" part that gets the objections... oh well).

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 01:27 PM

And then there's fans like me, who love the editing. B)

As do I; I also love how compact the film is, like an actual Fleming novel, which tosses in chunks of emotional nuggets into what essentially is a fast, rugged pulp story. That's QOS, albeit with more emotional development than most people here are saying. :tdown:


Yep. Except that Fleming's novels (with perhaps the exception of CR) were hardly compact, stark and skeletal like QOS. They went along at a lackadaisical pace, embracing life, class, culture, food, smoking, women - with action and suspense to join the dots.

With QOS there's hardly any of the former.


That is your opinion, although the fact that Quantum doesn't proceed at a "lackadaisical pace"* is actually a bonus!!!

As for opinons, I suppose if things like driving an Aston Martin, wearing finely tailored suits with pocket squares and french cuffs, enjoying white wine at a villa on the Tuscan coast, going to the Opera at a floating stage in Austria in formal evening wear, enjoying six vodka martinis in first class on a flight to South America, seducing a girl with champagne after insisting they go the finest hotel in the area, etc. don't fit your "life/class/women/culture" criteria then I don't know what can...but it certainly fits mine! :tdown:

And if Bond does not smoke in the film Casino Royale, why should we penalise Quantum Of Solace for him not doing so in it?!?!

Quite bizarre.

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 02:39 PM

I'm suprised some people consider QOS as the best Bondfilm ever. Bu everyone his opinion of course...

QOS the best Bondfilm ever? FAR from it in my opinion. I rate QOS as one of the lesser in the series actually. Some of the fast editing in the movie is terrible, some poor action scenes, dissapoiting villians and plot. Most the the time it doesn't feel that I'm watching a Bondmovie.

Otherwise, there are surely some good things about QOS. I love the Bond girl for some reason (especially Gemma Arterton!), Daniel Craig is fantastic in his role and there are some very good scenes (Death of Mathis, confrontation between Bond and Yusuf). I think it's overall a fine movie, but as a Bondmovie I was dissapointed seeing it on the big screen last year.

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 03:30 PM

Well horses for courses. I find well over half of them to be either a little too science-fiction~y or a touch too comedic or just plain juvenile or a touch too long. Quantum is none of these.

All of the films have great qualities about them (Connery's delivery and dialogue in DAF, for example...or the song itself or Barry's score in that 1971 outing) but none of them is a perfect 10.

As per editing, most people found it fine and in these days of multi-tasking w ipods, bluetooths, texting, gaming, etc all while doing laundry or driving or eating or working...well the days of a Thunderball (one of my top 3 Bond films) are never coming back.

Attention spans of those who go to multiple viewings are getting shorter and if you are going to invest $150-$175 Million in a film you better have a blockbuster of an outcome because a Gosford Park Merchant Ivory film won't get you your money back on your large investment.

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 05:28 PM

Purely out of interest, Hilly, have you invested in Blu-ray? QUANTUM looks stunning on the format, as do all the Bonds. You'll cream yourself, I promise you. B)

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 06:05 PM

Cream myself, eh?

Well then I better get my Blu-Ray this weekend! B)

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 06:30 PM

As per editing, most people found it fine and in these days of multi-tasking w ipods, bluetooths, texting, gaming, etc all while doing laundry or driving or eating or working...well the days of a Thunderball (one of my top 3 Bond films) are never coming back.

Attention spans of those who go to multiple viewings are getting shorter and if you are going to invest $150-$175 Million in a film you better have a blockbuster of an outcome because a Gosford Park Merchant Ivory film won't get you your money back on your large investment.

Well, CR didn't need that pace to make it big at the BO.

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 08:06 PM

If you clock the action set pieces of CR, the running time is greater than QOS. I love CR. The three set pieces, however, seem like marathons and have a "stage-y" feel to them whereas the Q0S ones are more to the point and - for the most part - feel "organic". But that's my opinion. Mind, I do love CR...so it's not like I want to find fault with it to elevate QOS.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 06:21 PM

I do love CR...so it's not like I want to find fault with it to elevate QOS.

I got the feeling from several of your earlier posts in many threads that you wanted to find fault with CR (or almost any other Bond movie) to elevate QOS. Nonetheless, if you state that you love CR, I will have to believe you.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 09:02 PM

Sometimes, defending something you like against incessant attacks, yeah it can seem like your stance is OTT, or strident, or whatever. Partly why I haven't bothered with many discussions lately: I like QOS a lot, others don't, but okay. Getting into the details with someone who hates them isn't productive for me (or them either, I suspect). Minds won't be changed, it's just bickering IMO.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 05:25 PM

Two cents if anyone cares to read it. It's slightly longish. Forgive the grammatical errors in advance. B)

A powerful and moving thriller, Quantum Of Solace is a carefully crafted and thoughtfully executed and edited cerebral near-masterpiece of the series. It is a remarkable film full of parallel story lines, mouth-watering juxtapositions, stark visual contrasts and poetic symmetry which elevates itself far above the capacity of most films in the genre to which it belongs. Though a blockbuster made for the masses, Quantum is the boldest Eon step yet which asks its global audience to come along – brain fully on – for every brave step of its stylish thrill ride. Nearly every choice made exists for a reason.


It is a fact that lots of things during pre-production weren't sorted out properly. First of all Paul Haggis was on a writer strike during the writing process. He's mentioned in the main title sequence, but his polishing wasn't even properly finished. So the Bond producers hired director Marc Forster, while the screenplay wasn't properly finished. Marc Forster already mentioned in an interview that he was quite annoyed by that.

Then there was composer David Arnold who first started out with a more romantic music score to 'Quantum Of Solace' and who also wanted to bring back a famous name. But, as so often, only a few months before the premiere, Sony put forward Alicia Keys and Jack White to do the theme. At that stage the film wasn't even properly edited, leaving composer Arnold with lots of guess work. He also had to come up with new compositions that were much rougher-edged.

In the old days, only the main title designer Maurice Binder, had to do some guess work, while that was really the last part of the film that needed to be sorted out. With 'QOS', TOO many important aspects weren't sorted out completely, like having an actual finished screenplay before filming! Hence the editing process. The first attempt was done by Matt Chessé. But at a very short notice Richard Pearson came onboard, making the editing process more of a mishmash.

So while you say 'Quantum Of Solace' is a carefully crafted and thoughtfully executed and edited cerebral near-masterpiece of the series, I think that's wrong. 'QOS' faced many production problems, similar to the production of 'Tomorrow Never Dies'. Deadlines weren't reached, the director qouldn't start with a 100% finished screenplay, too many people have been brought on board to finish something, hence the two editors who clearly had a different opinion.

Speaking of James Bond, Daniel Craig as 007 is a tour de force in Quantum, whether he’s killing in self defence or as payback, spying, taunting/drawing out the enemy, making audiences smile or chuckle with countless moments of humour via lines and mannerisms, or cradling allies at death’s door.


Countless moments of humour?? You must be joking. I've seen my first James Bond film in cinema since 1989's 'Licence To Kill' and I still remember during what particular scenes the crowd was laughing out loud: The tank breaking a wall in 'GoldenEye', the hilarious Q-scene in 'GoldenEye', Bond on the backseat of his BMW 7 in 'Tomorrow Never Dies', Molly Warmflash and Moneypenny arguing in 'The World Is Not Enough', "Must be a premature form of the millennium bug"-line in 'TWINE', Moneypenny having an orgasm in 'Die Another Day' (Allthough cheesy, the public was laughing like hell) and many others.

'Quantum Of Solace strips down too much humour. A good example is that little old lady in Siena. Her box with Italian pastry and olive oil falls when Bond is footchasing the MI6-leak. It should have been a funny scene, but the music completely underwhelmed that scene. The ONLY humurous thing I saw, was the hotel scene with Miss Fields. But even with that one, I didn't heard much laughter.

Not a single James Bond performance comes close to matching what Mr Craig and 007 do on screen. Not in From Russia With Love, not in Casino Royale, not anywhere.


This is sheer exaggeration. I'm so sorry, but saying that all previous Bond performances are worse compared to classic films like 'From Russia With Love' and many other of the Connery installments is IMO a blasphomy. Saying that Craig's performance in 'Casino Royale' is worse compared to 'Quantum Of Solace', shows that you have a lack of understanding of Fleming's actual novels.

Indeed, there are five outstanding performances in this film: Mr Craig and Dame Judy aside, Giannini as Mathis and Amalric as Greene are outstanding – as you’d expect from stalwarts of European cinema – but the major surprise in Quantum is Olga Kurylenko who is stunning on almost every level.


While outstanding, I think 'M's role has become to large. Back in GoldenEye 'M' was still a short cameo. 'M' wasn't afraid of sending Bond to his death. But now we've arrived in 'Quantum Of Solace', in which 'M's role has changed from that of a competent, secret MI6-boss in an overcaring mother who is basically compromising her Majesty's secret service to such an extent that I would advice PM Brown to cut down fundings on MI6. I mean, WHY travelling to all these places. It's frustrating to know that MI6 isn't a secret service anymore, but more of a detective agency.

Dominic Greene is a sheer wimp IMO. Greene's screentime is nothing compared to seeing Le Chiffre beating the hell out of Bond's scrotum. Then I still think Mr White looks more menacing in the opening of 'Quantum Of Solace'.

The twenty-nine year old Ukrainian’s portrayal of Camille is surpassed only by Diana Rigg’s 1969 performance in the Bond Girl stakes and the character – complete with scared back, heart and mind – is based on a recently found Ian Fleming manuscript from a here-to-fore hidden safe at Goldeneye in Jamaica. Fleming had been experimenting with physically and emotionally challenged female characters and Camille is the hub at which the spokes of Milena Havelock, Honeychile Rider and Gala Brand meet. So single-minded is her approach that Eon gives us a first for the series. Indeed, Camille is the only main character from which the abundant humour in the film is wholly absent.


Wrong again. Allthough you are right that Ian Fleming was experimenting with complex female characters, it wasn't the actual character of Camille. With Diana Rigg's performance of Tracy, I think Maud Adam's role as Octopussy, Domino Derval, Elektra King, Pussy Galore and especially Vesper Lyndt are victorious over Camille. And, why is it that you failed to mention Vesper Lyndt? She's a classic character that starts of as a very self-confident, bitchy female, but slowly evolves into an uncertain frightened girl. I didn't see that kind of complexity with Camille, who was out on revenge from the first first moment we saw her.

Contrary to critical opinion, there is a fair quantum of humour on display in Solace. Some of it is ancillary: Note the old Sienese lady losing her day’s groceries from the top of the stairs as Mitchell rushes past, or the hilarity of the old Bolivian taxi driver as Mathis tries talking to Carlos, subtitles over subtitles. Note too Bond’s mannerisms as he tosses aside keys or a cell phone or kicks aside a limb allowing the elevator door at the Grand Andean to close, or the way he hands off a “sea sick” Camille in the arms of a Haitian vacation resort attendant.


It is exactly that little old Sienese lady that didn't worked in this film, because of wrongly cued film music and too much focus on the foot chase. In fact, there's not ONE scene in 'Quantum Of Solace' that made the cinema audience say "Wowww!" or "WTF. Hilarious :tdown:!". The torture scene in 'Casino Royale' is a marvellous scene, that makes my stomach turn, while at the same time it made me laugh like hell. I didn't have that experience with ANY of the so called humurous scenes in 'QOS'. Sorry.

And then, of course, there are the priceless lines: 007 suggesting to M that he (paraphrasing) ”doesn’t really like dwelling on the past and neither should she” after she asks him of the fresh killing of Slate in Haiti; or the “that wasn’t very nice” line a couple of seconds after Camille tries to shoot him for being her would-be assassin, or the brilliant delivery of the "sabattico/lotterias" line at the Grand Andean check-in; or of him inviting Fields into the bedroom to help him find the stationary. Just to name a few.


Nice lines, but certainly not as memorable as Sean Connery saying in 'Thunderball' "I know a little about women". I must agree though, that that "sabattico/lotterias" was funy, but perhaps the only funny line in the entire film. Hence the fact that in my cinema, no one catched that line, as it was spoken out in a foreign language.

Yes, there are wonderful little moments in this film which has more to do with character and dialogue and ‘spying’ than it has to do with “action”. In actual fact - and once again contrary to ill-informed opinion – the set pieces in Quantum, quantitatively, comprise a *minority* of the bullet-like run time. And they – all six of them – exist for a reason.


'QOS' could have been extended with 10 or 12 minutes. Just to give 'Quantum Of Solace' a more polished feel.

“ACTION”

From the very opening shot, where the camera pans over the northern Italian lake of Garda towards an Alpine tunnel pass in the region of Lombardy, we get a sense of impending menace to come, accompanied by the increasing tension of David Arnold’s strings. And as soon as we’re into the lightening fast edits of a suited man in an Aston Martin making Fleming-like “racing changes” as he desperately avoids traffic while under machine gun fire, we know that we’re undeniably into the start of a new James Bond adventure.


I really liked the opening of the film, but I think it could have been extended. I really did not like the shaky cam shots, as I wanted to see more of the henchmen's faces and especially more about James Bond's face as well. It all....finished too soon for my part.

Mr Craig told interviewers that this story begins with a James Bond who is in “turmoil” and “confused”. The quick cuts and camera work of these first few minutes echo this sentiment as 007 – in an angry and embattled frame of mind – desperately fights for his very existence…desperate to live to find his measure of comfort and place in a bewildering world.


I disagree. The only scene I really saw James Bond struggling with his feelings, was on the plane with René Mathis to Bolivia. Seeing Bond getting drunk with his Martini's was more emotional than an action-packed car chase. I think we all agree with that. Because I didn't see any emotion on Bond's face when he opened the car boot. On the contrary, it was one of those rare funny moments.

The twisting and turning and the falling upside down against the background of global meridian lines of the above noted colour palette in the Main Titles continues this sentiment.



Huh? You gotta be kidding. Main titles are only there to link it to the experience of Bond. While the gunbarrel sequence is gone, it is that particular aspect that the Bond producers didn't want to change. And they were right off course. Having said that, I think Danny Kleinman's attempt in 'Casino Royale' was superior to MK12's main title design.

Bond's confusion under little rest gets elevated as he finds out that Vesper’s Algerian boyfriend’s death has been fabricated and that the mystery organization does indeed have people “everywhere”. And when we get to the climax of the foot chase – sumptuously and attentively juxtaposed against the proceedings of the Palio di Siena cultural and sporting event - the editors and director engage in blisteringly fast cutting to echo these sentiments as Bond dangles upside down (literally and figuratively) in another desperate attempt to get to his ‘armour’ and blow Mitchell into oblivion.


Well, I wasn't thinking of our beloved Vesper Lyndt, when Bond was hanging upside down. Sorry.

The killing of Slate in the hotel room in Haiti illustrates just how lethal Our James can be, especially if he’s about to be sliced open by a stiletto. It’s a very brutal yet *stylish* kill: Note the way Our James holds on to the palm of a quickly dying Slate’s hand to check his rapidly diminishing pulse. Lovely!


I think Craig's style of killing people is far from stylish. It reminds me a bit more of George Lazenby's hand-to-hand fights. But stylish? Mwaah, I think the manno-a-manno fight between Scaramanga and Bond was both witty, clean and stylish.

The boat chase at Port Au Prince “exists” because Camille holds the key in the chain that links Slate to Mitchell, Mr White and a banker called Le Chiffre…and his first immediate impulse would always be to keep her alive to further the investigation. Besides, she’s hot and in danger. And he wouldn't be Ian Fleming’s James Bond if he didn't try and 'save' her.


Yes, that boat chase exists. But it misses the carely drafted screenplay the boat chases from 'Live And Let Die' and 'The World Is Not Enough' had. Be honest now. What boat chase was more fun to watch. The one from 'TWINE' or the one from 'QOS'. I choose the London boat chase....

The 'shoot out' during the performance of Tosca at Lake Constance in Bregenz exists to bring 007’s reveal – which in turn tricks the enemy into revealing itself – to a logical conclusion as Greene’s thugs try to hunt down the man who’s just compromised Quantum’s plans for the Tiera (a combo of terra and Siera Club?) Project. The juxtaposed set piece - with its parallel storylines of treachery and secret covenants and killings - also exists to illustrate that Eon can indeed produce a work of enduring cinematic art. The piece, with its mind-blowing visuals, writing and execution as David Arnold’s memorable Quantum/Night At The Opera cue segues into Puccini's rousing Te Deum, must surely rank as a new high point in the Incredible World Of James Bond. It is doubtful Hitchcock could have done better, let alone Terrence Young or Lewis Gilbert or Martin Campbell.


I loved the Opera scene. It was perhaps one of the better written parts of the film. Perhaps also because I love classical music. But here the music from David Arnold is finally more suitable. I love the slow music that brings Bond into a climax. The thing I didn't like was, again, Bond's way of killing a guy. To kill Guy Haines bodyguard was plain stupid and unnecessary. By jolly, he just uncovers a plot there. It's more fitting to question that man than simply throwing him off the building. You know that Bond did the same with Sandor in 'TSWLM'. But sjee, that circumstance was a bit different. You clearly saw Bond loosing from the big Sandor, while Haines bodyguard is just a bodyguard.

About QUANTUM then. I found the crime syndicate less menacing than SPECTRE. To make it look more menacing it would be much nicer if Mr White killed another QUANTUM-member in the audience.

Is Quantum Of Solace the Best James Bond Movie Ever? I imagine for many around the planet it likely is.


Yes, I already saw that. It's a new brand of Bond fans that really thinks 'Quantum Of Solace' is the best Bond film ever. I'm not one of them.

Edited by Gustav Graves, 19 November 2009 - 05:39 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2009 - 05:35 PM

An interesting read there.

I agree with most of the statements you've made.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 06:29 PM

And then there's fans like me, who love the editing. B)

As do I; I also love how compact the film is, like an actual Fleming novel, which tosses in chunks of emotional nuggets into what essentially is a fast, rugged pulp story. That's QOS, albeit with more emotional development than most people here are saying. :)


Yep. Except that Fleming's novels (with perhaps the exception of CR) were hardly compact, stark and skeletal like QOS. They went along at a lackadaisical pace, embracing life, class, culture, food, smoking, women - with action and suspense to join the dots.

With QOS there's hardly any of the former.


That is your opinion, although the fact that Quantum doesn't proceed at a "lackadaisical pace"* is actually a bonus!!!


Why? :tdown:

As for opinons, I suppose if things like driving an Aston Martin, wearing finely tailored suits with pocket squares and french cuffs, enjoying white wine at a villa on the Tuscan coast, going to the Opera at a floating stage in Austria in formal evening wear, enjoying six vodka martinis in first class on a flight to South America, seducing a girl with champagne after insisting they go the finest hotel in the area, etc. don't fit your "life/class/women/culture" criteria then I don't know what can...but it certainly fits mine! :tdown:


It sounds perfectly good on paper doesn't it? However in my opinion, in the context of the film itself, they're needles in a haystack. They're also done with a box-ticking tense of reluctance as if the films wants to be something other than a Bond film, something more, but keeps trying to tick the boxes, badly.

The Aston Martin is hardly seen in the film, due to the excessing close ups, awkward angles and fast cutting, the tailored suit is too tight and makes Bond look too thin, Mathis's villa and the Bregenz Opera House appear fleetingly, and the others are directed and written so labouredly it doesn't really work.

And if Bond does not smoke in the film Casino Royale, why should we penalise Quantum Of Solace for him not doing so in it?!?!


We should penalise both, pain and simple.

Quite bizarre.


Yes is is isn't it?

As per editing, most people found it fine and in these days of multi-tasking w ipods,


"Most people"? Do you have any statistics for this? Out of how many reviews (average joes and critics) can you find complaints about the editing? Call me when you find out. Otherwise until then you're argument is obsolete, since you don't represent the entire audience who watched the film.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 07:21 PM

As per editing, most people found it fine and in these days of multi-tasking w ipods,

"Most people"? Do you have any statistics for this? Out of how many reviews (average joes and critics) can you find complaints about the editing? Call me when you find out. Otherwise until then you're argument is obsolete, since you don't represent the entire audience who watched the film.


I have to say I wasn't a fan of the editing at all.

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 09:54 PM

B)

I'm in LOVE with Quantum...

Got it on Blu-ray yesterday...

Wonderful!

Best James Bond film evah!

:tdown:

Can hardly wait to see it again this evening...on Blu-ray!

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 09:54 PM

 Quantum Of Solace is the Best James Bond Film Ever, A Powerful & Moving Thriller, a Near Masterpiece.



Really? I didnt have a clue what was going on through most of the film, very confusing B)

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 10:05 PM

I'm getting it on Blu-Ray very, very soon! :)

But my TV is only 1080i compatible. :tdown:

But damn, the sound is good. :)

Can't wait to see the Bond and Greene fight. B)

And Elvis. :tdown:

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 10:06 PM

Can't wait to see the Bond and Greene fight. B)

And Elvis. :tdown:


I won't watch it again until we can get 3D Elvis, complete with exploding pants flying out of the screen right at you.

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 10:07 PM

B)

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 10:27 PM

Yes, complete with Smell-O-Vision piss stains in the crotch! B)

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 10:40 PM

Well horses for courses. I find well over half of them to be either a little too science-fiction~y or a touch too comedic or just plain juvenile or a touch too long. Quantum is none of these.

All of the films have great qualities about them (Connery's delivery and dialogue in DAF, for example...or the song itself or Barry's score in that 1971 outing) but none of them is a perfect 10.

As per editing, most people found it fine and in these days of multi-tasking w ipods, bluetooths, texting, gaming, etc all while doing laundry or driving or eating or working...well the days of a Thunderball (one of my top 3 Bond films) are never coming back.

Attention spans of those who go to multiple viewings are getting shorter and if you are going to invest $150-$175 Million in a film you better have a blockbuster of an outcome because a Gosford Park Merchant Ivory film won't get you your money back on your large investment.


Those who don't like the editing, don't lament the days of Thunderball. We just wanted to see Casino Royale-style action scenes. It was only 2 years earlier.

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 11:44 PM

Well horses for courses. I find well over half of them to be either a little too science-fiction~y or a touch too comedic or just plain juvenile or a touch too long. Quantum is none of these.

All of the films have great qualities about them (Connery's delivery and dialogue in DAF, for example...or the song itself or Barry's score in that 1971 outing) but none of them is a perfect 10.

As per editing, most people found it fine and in these days of multi-tasking w ipods, bluetooths, texting, gaming, etc all while doing laundry or driving or eating or working...well the days of a Thunderball (one of my top 3 Bond films) are never coming back.

Attention spans of those who go to multiple viewings are getting shorter and if you are going to invest $150-$175 Million in a film you better have a blockbuster of an outcome because a Gosford Park Merchant Ivory film won't get you your money back on your large investment.


Those who don't like the editing, don't lament the days of Thunderball. We just wanted to see Casino Royale-style action scenes. It was only 2 years earlier.



I don't think that is too much to ask for either. The action sequences were just plain sloppy and incoherent in Quantum of Solace, it's like Batman Begins except far worse. The presentation of action in Casino Royale was just miles better and no constant assault of idotic quick cuts.

As for QOS being the best Bond film ever, not plenty likely but it's like number 8 on my list.

Edited by Dr.Fell, 07 January 2010 - 11:53 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2010 - 12:13 AM

Well horses for courses. I find well over half of them to be either a little too science-fiction~y or a touch too comedic or just plain juvenile or a touch too long. Quantum is none of these.

All of the films have great qualities about them (Connery's delivery and dialogue in DAF, for example...or the song itself or Barry's score in that 1971 outing) but none of them is a perfect 10.

As per editing, most people found it fine and in these days of multi-tasking w ipods, bluetooths, texting, gaming, etc all while doing laundry or driving or eating or working...well the days of a Thunderball (one of my top 3 Bond films) are never coming back.

Attention spans of those who go to multiple viewings are getting shorter and if you are going to invest $150-$175 Million in a film you better have a blockbuster of an outcome because a Gosford Park Merchant Ivory film won't get you your money back on your large investment.


Those who don't like the editing, don't lament the days of Thunderball. We just wanted to see Casino Royale-style action scenes. It was only 2 years earlier.



I don't think that is too much to ask for either. The action sequences were just plain sloppy and incoherent in Quantum of Solace, it's like Batman Begins except far worse. The presentation of action in Casino Royale was just miles better and no constant assault of idotic quick cuts.

As for QOS being the best Bond film ever, not plenty likely but it's like number 8 on my list.


You are right. I think that the Siena foot chase could have been one of the best Bond chases ever, if they'd simply lingered longer on that wonderful location and the stunts.

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Posted 08 January 2010 - 12:26 AM

Well horses for courses. I find well over half of them to be either a little too science-fiction~y or a touch too comedic or just plain juvenile or a touch too long. Quantum is none of these.

All of the films have great qualities about them (Connery's delivery and dialogue in DAF, for example...or the song itself or Barry's score in that 1971 outing) but none of them is a perfect 10.

As per editing, most people found it fine and in these days of multi-tasking w ipods, bluetooths, texting, gaming, etc all while doing laundry or driving or eating or working...well the days of a Thunderball (one of my top 3 Bond films) are never coming back.

Attention spans of those who go to multiple viewings are getting shorter and if you are going to invest $150-$175 Million in a film you better have a blockbuster of an outcome because a Gosford Park Merchant Ivory film won't get you your money back on your large investment.


Those who don't like the editing, don't lament the days of Thunderball. We just wanted to see Casino Royale-style action scenes. It was only 2 years earlier.



I don't think that is too much to ask for either. The action sequences were just plain sloppy and incoherent in Quantum of Solace, it's like Batman Begins except far worse. The presentation of action in Casino Royale was just miles better and no constant assault of idotic quick cuts.

As for QOS being the best Bond film ever, not plenty likely but it's like number 8 on my list.


You are right. I think that the Siena foot chase could have been one of the best Bond chases ever, if they'd simply lingered longer on that wonderful location and the stunts.


I will admit I did fairly enjoy that scene but again those annoying quick cuts. In general why did Marc Foster have the need to focus on the most arbitrary things ? Remember the Beam,Greene, and Leiter meeting ? Why focus on the glass cup ? What was with the constant cutting back and forth ? Did Foster think that just because it was action film we couldn't pay attention ?

Then there are scenes that just don't add up because the film just wants throw you everywhere without explaining. The Opera scene could have been so much better if Foster took a few moments and say "What I am focusing on here and how will it translate to the audience ?". I doubt he asked himself this during most of the film.

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Posted 08 January 2010 - 03:55 AM

To each his own.

I personally can't believe that marc Forster, or the producers can look at ANY of those action scenes and think that they're great...Just my opinion.

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Posted 08 January 2010 - 01:40 PM

My own opinion is that the opening Aston chase, the Siena foot chase, the Opera scene and the finale are astonishingly good.

In addition, the cinematography is excellent.

Lastly, Craig is so outstanding that he delivers his lines as if they were instant classics.

Quantum is the only James Bond film during which I don't hit the fast>forward button - either out of sheer boredom or simply not being able to stand the childishness of what's up on screen.

Quite an achievement.

It's definitely an Adult and Cerebral 007 film.

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Posted 08 January 2010 - 01:45 PM

I watched it again last week. One thing about Quantum Of Solace for me, is that I keep changing my mind about it. I think that it is a very average Bond movie. The editing lets it down, as does some of the blatant Bourne copying, but that being said, there are some great secenes in the film, particularly the opera scenes, which offer a new dimension to the action of the Bond movies. I like it how the shoot-out is mirrored by the scenes on stage, and the music which accompanies it is some of Arnold's best work in the series.

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Posted 08 January 2010 - 04:27 PM

Quantum is the only James Bond film during which I don't hit the fast>forward button - either out of sheer boredom or simply not being able to stand the childishness of what's up on screen.


I'd never hit the FF button even once because you'd miss half of the film. B)

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Posted 08 January 2010 - 04:36 PM

Quantum is the only James Bond film during which I don't hit the fast>forward button - either out of sheer boredom or simply not being able to stand the childishness of what's up on screen.


I'd never hit the FF button even once because you'd miss half of the film. B)


Disregarding the Brosnan films (which are not welcomed in my abode), Quantum is is the only Bond film where I can gladly say I don't hit the PLAY button. Not even to see the brief scenes where I pop up. I took screenshots for that.