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[Pierce - Daniel]

MGW has said that Mr. White is the man responsible for Greene's death and killed him in the desert.

[DamnCoffee]

Do you know, when M said that Greene was found dead with two bullet holes in the back of his head, I immediatly thought of White.

[MkB]

Mmmmh... How does he know that?!
I can see only one explanation!!

MGW is the head of Quantum!

Well, seriously, I don't like this idea very much. What, Quantum has only one executioner, and Mr White is their official Grim Reaper? Then he must have an impressive number of Miles on his airline fidelity card, then, if they call him every time they ant to get rid of a (not yet) dead weight.

[Pierce - Daniel]

Sorry, link:
http://www.darkhoriz...ws/broccoli.php

[marktmurphy]

That's a bit silly; he's constantly jetting around just to polish off members of their own organisation? And yet he has Alfa Romeos full of other blokes with guns following him around? Nah, a bit trite.

[bondrules]

It's a good thing that wasn't shown on the screen.

[james st.john smythe]

i thought it was obvious in casino royale that mr white was the head of the evil organisation. then i thought it was confirmed when he was at the opera and played it cool in QOS

[DamnCoffee]

Yeah. White is definately higher up than we originally thought. I think he will turn out to be the head.

[sorking]

i thought it was obvious in casino royale that mr white was the head of the evil organisation. then i thought it was confirmed when he was at the opera and played it cool in QOS

Out of curiosity, what made you think he was the head? Would the head of the organisation spend time introducing the head of a regime to a company banker? Would he go out to collect money himself, and perform his own executions?

Regardless, the interview doesn't definitively say that White killed Greene, it's still a bit open-ended as to whether it was literally that direct, though after shooting LeChiffre I wouldn't be surprised if he was the guy sent out to make sure that the job's done right. (He is, let's face it, considerably more successful in his work than most henchmen we meet.)

Good to see the interview - for the answers, at least, where MGW and BB come across very well. Not so much the case with the interviewer:

He said, “The bitch is dead?”

What did you do, stop watching when LeChiffre was shot?

Well, is it the first sequel? Because didn’t after On Her Majesty’s, he go after the people who killed his wife? And wasn’t there the Blofeld Trilogy, with consistent –

Yeah, consistent. Except for the actors playing Bond and Blofeld, the fact that Bond and Blofeld don't recognise each other despite having met before, Bond in DaF not so much as mentioning ever being married even when Moneypenny makes a crack about a diamond ring, no word about Bunt who actually killed Tracy...

Barbara, your Dad produced other films while during the period of doing Bond. I mean, Chitty, Chitty, Bang Bang, for example.

...and, in fact, the only completed example post From Russia With Love.

Was that opening title, where it said, “Albert R. Broccoli’s EON Productions.” Has that always been there, or was that a tribute to your Dad this time?

"...because I've only just learned to read."

There did seem to be not that many girls in this movie. I mean, there were just the two. I was kind of shocked, in a way.

Okay, now I suspect this guy simply didn't watch Casino Royale at all.

I also wish the word 'misogynistic' was thrown around more carefully.

Edited by sorking, 13 November 2008 - 12:10 AM.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Mr White is Quantum's Morezny.

[Cruiserweight]

Why does it even take two bullets anyway?

[Captain Tightpants]

Yeah. White is definately higher up than we originally thought. I think he will turn out to be the head.

Spoiler

The original ending to QUANTUM OF SOLACE had Bond finishing off White. He might have been saved for the time being, but the fact that he was to die in the epilogue to the film suggests he isn't the head of Quantum. fter all, the ending was cut because it was felt it ended better on the note is currently ends on, not because they wanted to save White.

[Vauxhall]

The other option I guess is that Mr White was spared in QUANTUM OF SOLACE to give the writers the option of making him the eventual leader of Quantum. Perhaps they are still considering the idea, and following Jesper Christensen's excellent performance are now open to his return.

[sorking]

Why does it even take two bullets anyway?

From a strictly screenwriting point of view, I suspect this line was intended to leave the nature of his death in no doubt whatsoever. 'One bullet in the head' could be misinterpreted by the audience as a suicide attempt. While he doesn't have a gun, some could still start questioning - "Maybe he had one strapped to his ankle..." You could even think two bullets to the chest as the same thing.

With an economy typical of QoS, we get information that might usually take triple the time in a single, well-thought-out line. There's no way his injuries could be mistaken for anything other than assassination.

[sharpshooter]

Excellent. White killed Le Chiffre and he also killed Greene.

I'll bring it up again, but on Lost - after being contracted for three guest appearances in the second season, Michael Emerson featured as a captured Other known as "Henry Gale". His impressive performance lead to his role being expanded to that of leader of the Others, becoming a regular cast member from the third season onward.

This stuff happens. When White was spared his death at the original ending of QoS, I think they left the option open for White to be the boss.

[Bondian]

Why does it even take two bullets anyway?

They had to penetrate the thirty storey sandcastle he'd made.

[SecretAgentFan]

Yeah. White is definately higher up than we originally thought. I think he will turn out to be the head.

Spoiler

The original ending to QUANTUM OF SOLACE had Bond finishing off White. He might have been saved for the time being, but the fact that he was to die in the epilogue to the film suggests he isn't the head of Quantum. fter all, the ending was cut because it was felt it ended better on the note is currently ends on, not because they wanted to save White.

Would have been strange to have two endings: Bond and Yussef. And then another ending: Bond and White.

Feels like the Bond and Yussef-scene was a substitute for the Bond-and-White-scene, doesn´t it?

[stamper]

Could be, we only saw the shooting of the exterior scene early on production footage, never the inside.

Also it's worth noting that when M speaks about Greene being found dead, we cut to Bond a lot listening while she speaks in voice over. I'm guessing they made the references to the shots at the dubbing stage, not even the shooting stage.

Also Bond's lines are a bit strange in this scene "so the good guys get to keep their jobs", the editing of this dialogue scene is so "cover the audio", that I have a feeling the guy who said Bond originally resigned was right, they just made it different in the editing suite + overdubbing.

Also the guy described the last original shot of the movie at the preview he saw, which is exactly the last shot of Bond walking away from M looking at us (it's just shortened from his description). Since this shot wasn't available anywhere to see until the film release, it adds more credit to his review being genuine.

[SecretAgentFan]

Also the guy described the last original shot of the movie at the preview he saw, which is exactly the last shot of Bond walking away from M looking at us (it's just shortened from his description). Since this shot wasn't available anywhere to see until the film release, it adds more credit to his review being genuine.

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[Zorin Industries]

Mmmmh... How does he know that?!
I can see only one explanation!!

MGW is the head of Quantum!

Well, seriously, I don't like this idea very much. What, Quantum has only one executioner, and Mr White is their official Grim Reaper? Then he must have an impressive number of Miles on his airline fidelity card, then, if they call him every time they ant to get rid of a (not yet) dead weight.

But one of MR WHITE's job specifications is clearly to rid the deadwood employees. That's why he shot LE CHIFFRE.

[sorking]

Also the guy described the last original shot of the movie at the preview he saw, which is exactly the last shot of Bond walking away from M looking at us (it's just shortened from his description). Since this shot wasn't available anywhere to see until the film release, it adds more credit to his review being genuine.

Right. So the line "I never left" was part of that?!

This from the guy who sees a misplaced collar as evidence of deleted material...ratehr than the whacky notion of a scene being shot more than once. How long will this idiocy continue? "Camille died originally". Right, and so when they did reshoots they went BACK OUT ON LOCATION to film a scene that was absolutely integral to both the story and Bond's character arc?

[Vauxhall]

Could be, we only saw the shooting of the exterior scene early on production footage, never the inside.

For what it's worth, I have information that the interior scenes of the Yusef confrontation were shot on the same day as the exteriors, so it must always have been planned.

[SecretAgentFan]

Could be, we only saw the shooting of the exterior scene early on production footage, never the inside.

For what it's worth, I have information that the interior scenes of the Yusef confrontation were shot on the same day as the exteriors, so it must always have been planned.

I have the feeling that Monsieur Stamper will spin even this information so that he still can state that the IMDB review was genuine and EON completely re-shot and re-cut the film within the following three weeks.

[MkB]

Mmmmh... How does he know that?!
I can see only one explanation!!

MGW is the head of Quantum!

Well, seriously, I don't like this idea very much. What, Quantum has only one executioner, and Mr White is their official Grim Reaper? Then he must have an impressive number of Miles on his airline fidelity card, then, if they call him every time they ant to get rid of a (not yet) dead weight.

But one of MR WHITE's job specifications is clearly to rid the deadwood employees. That's why he shot LE CHIFFRE.

Yes, indeed, but my point is that he can't shoot them all himself, flying from one end of the world to the other just to finish off a looser when any thug can do that, if we presume Quantum is so big. As I wrote in another thread, I see Mr White as something like the head of the Quantum equivalent of SMERSH, not a hitman/executioner, but not the Head of Quantum either.

[Marquis]

Could be, we only saw the shooting of the exterior scene early on production footage, never the inside.

Also it's worth noting that when M speaks about Greene being found dead, we cut to Bond a lot listening while she speaks in voice over. I'm guessing they made the references to the shots at the dubbing stage, not even the shooting stage.

Also Bond's lines are a bit strange in this scene "so the good guys get to keep their jobs", the editing of this dialogue scene is so "cover the audio", that I have a feeling the guy who said Bond originally resigned was right, they just made it different in the editing suite + overdubbing.

Also the guy described the last original shot of the movie at the preview he saw, which is exactly the last shot of Bond walking away from M looking at us (it's just shortened from his description). Since this shot wasn't available anywhere to see until the film release, it adds more credit to his review being genuine.

It's like watching a demented dog chase its own tail around in circles.

[CaptainPower]

Yeah. White is definately higher up than we originally thought. I think he will turn out to be the head.

Guess that means they don't have to shell out for Pacino

..again. Cos obviously his scene in QoS was cut

Edited by CaptainPower, 13 November 2008 - 12:21 PM.

[stamper]

Pacino was just rumor, but you have to admit, the 25mn opening pre-credits was true (Foster butchered it in the editing), as for the YOLT review, it's an open debate... at least, I have arguments, which is better than your insults, which you people send right and left to whomever was disappointed by QOS.

[DamnCoffee]

I really do not think that someone can condense 25 minutes of footage into 6. If it was true, tell us what he cut out.

[dee-bee-five]

Could be, we only saw the shooting of the exterior scene early on production footage, never the inside.

Also it's worth noting that when M speaks about Greene being found dead, we cut to Bond a lot listening while she speaks in voice over. I'm guessing they made the references to the shots at the dubbing stage, not even the shooting stage.

Also Bond's lines are a bit strange in this scene "so the good guys get to keep their jobs", the editing of this dialogue scene is so "cover the audio", that I have a feeling the guy who said Bond originally resigned was right, they just made it different in the editing suite + overdubbing.

Also the guy described the last original shot of the movie at the preview he saw, which is exactly the last shot of Bond walking away from M looking at us (it's just shortened from his description). Since this shot wasn't available anywhere to see until the film release, it adds more credit to his review being genuine.

It's like watching a demented dog chase its own tail around in circles.

Except, on balance, I think I'd be more inclined to take notice of the dog...

[SecretAgentFan]

Pacino was just rumor, but you have to admit, the 25mn opening pre-credits was true (Foster butchered it in the editing), as for the YOLT review, it's an open debate... at least, I have arguments, which is better than your insults, which you people send right and left to whomever was disappointed by QOS.

I apologize if my remarks were hostile or offensive, Stamper. It´s just that you really want people to believe that the imdb-review was not fake but written after having seen the so-called original version of QOS.

In an open debate I expect solid arguments. You only base yours on your hate for the finished film and a review that has proven to be wrong, again and again.

Now you even state that Forster butchered a 25 minute opening.

Let´s be reasonable. The first cut always is the director´s cut.

If it really were true that the imdb-review had been accurate, then you should at least argue that Forster had to cut his 25 minute opening chase, on the producer´s or the studio´s behalf after the alleged imdb-review-screening.

But maybe you can see how ridiculous this is: from a complicated and expensive chase sequence on location for which enough material has been filmed only one fifth will be used in the final film?

Hard to believe that EON would want SONY to shell out the money only to say later on: Sorry, guys, we only need five minutes of it. That´s not what a quality producer like EON works like.

The only explanation why the chase sequence originally could have been longer would be this: After the stunt accidents EON decided (for economical reasons) not to return to it and to ask Forster to cut the sequence from the limited material that they already had.