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[DavidSomerset]

So if Daniel had said "The name is B, JB" then it would have worked for you? All the Bondian moves that he made(tell me if the other JB- Jason Bourne could ask for stationery), all the Fields that he ploughed are wasted, alas...

Edited by DavidSomerset, 21 November 2008 - 07:52 PM.

[The ides of Mark]

I kept on waiting to see James Bond in Quantum of Solace, but where was he? I wanted to see a bit of panache, sophistication, refinement - that guy who flirted with Vesper on the train and oozed with wit and sex appeal - his voice alone commanded a rare confidence and charisma.

What I saw was a generic action hero who happened to be called James Bond. He was a great killing machine, but where were his one-liners? Where was his charm? Where was the magic spark that makes him the envy of every man and the desire of every woman? That guy who says "my name is Bond, James Bond." Where was James Bond?


I say:
BRING BACK JAMES BOND IN THE NEXT MOVIE!

Do you agree?

no

[ash7612]

oh you really proved him wrong, care to explain why you disagree with ACTUAL reasons?

[DR76]

I kept on waiting to see James Bond in Quantum of Solace, but where was he? I wanted to see a bit of panache, sophistication, refinement - that guy who flirted with Vesper on the train and oozed with wit and sex appeal - his voice alone commanded a rare confidence and charisma.

What I saw was a generic action hero who happened to be called James Bond. He was a great killing machine, but where were his one-liners? Where was his charm? Where was the magic spark that makes him the envy of every man and the desire of every woman? That guy who says "my name is Bond, James Bond." Where was James Bond?


I say:
BRING BACK JAMES BOND IN THE NEXT MOVIE!

Do you agree?

Why don't you take this to the "CraigNotBond" site and keep it there . . . PLEASE??

[ash7612]

because this has nothing to do with craig being a bad bond, this has to do with the fact that this movie didn't feel like a bond film even though DC may be the best bond ever

[Mr_Wint]

I can understand the frustration.

[plankattack]

because this has nothing to do with craig being a bad bond, this has to do with the fact that this movie didn't feel like a bond film even though DC may be the best bond ever

I'd vowed to stay away from this thread but I'm going to weigh in in good faith.

If people feel that QoS doesn't feel like a Bond film, is that because of the film itself, or that they percieve the character to be different?

Because, Bond switching hotels, that's something Sir Rog would have done. Bond bedding Fields in an unbelievably short amount of time, well, there are so many comparisons it defies belief, but lets give TD a shout-out on the boat at the start of TLD.

Bond killing people en masse? Brozza in TND anyone?

When Bond reminds M that Mitchell didn't smoke when she talks about the gift she gave him, or the handcuff back and forth with Mathis - close your eyes and tell me you don't see SC making those sort of comments in DAF or TB.

The only things that didn't happen were Bond in a clown outfit, or some sort of joke containing a sexual euphemism.

Again, not liking QoS because it doesn't feel like a traditional Bond - there is a case to be made there. But saying that the character of Bond isn't in the film - that, IMHO, is a real stretch.

Edited by plankattack, 21 November 2008 - 09:38 PM.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

I'm not understanding why people are saying Craig's Bond in QOS has no charm or sophistication and so on. Seems mostly to be guys who say this, just as how it's usually men who complain that Craig is unattractive.

Craig's Bond in QOS is quite sexy, and charming. No one can wear a suit like him, the clothes love him. He's a rarity that looks as good in a suit as out of it. He's walks in and owns the place. The stationary bit, and what followed. . . A girl should be so lucky. . . . Speak for yourself if you didn't see any charm there. Craig's Bond could charm the trench coat off of me any day!

I am standing up for James Bond, that's why I'm seeing QOS as much as I can.

[byline]

Bring him back? He never left.

[DR76]

because this has nothing to do with craig being a bad bond, this has to do with the fact that this movie didn't feel like a bond film even though DC may be the best bond ever

There have many kinds of James Bond films over the years. If they had all been the same, I would have lost interest in the franchise, years ago.

[Bond Bug]

BRING BACK JAMES BOND IN THE NEXT MOVIE![/b]

Do you agree?

I agree, bring James Bond in the next movie.

I salute you Mehow007 for doing the right thing. You are a credit to the Secret Service.

[Aris007]

James Bond never left! He said it by himself!

And during the film we had many bondish scenes! Bond wearing another man's tux, using everything unlocked and even flirting with Fields if that's the point for you!

[Bond Bug]

yes i couldnt agree more this film is not what we come to love and expect from a bond film, craig is a brilliant bond but after casino royale i was left very disappointed

Thank you for your support for 007. M will be notified of your position Agent Ash7612.

I can understand the frustration.

Mr Wint, your sympathies with 007 lead me to think you may be defect at some point. Q is ready to provide you with a few gadgets should you join the 00 sector.

[Mike00spy]

BRING BACK JAMES BOND IN THE NEXT MOVIE![/b]

Do you agree?

I agree, bring James Bond in the next movie.

I salute you Mehow007 for doing the right thing. You are a credit to the Secret Service.

Wow, you found a person to agree with you. I'm impressed.

[Bond Bug]

because this has nothing to do with craig being a bad bond, this has to do with the fact that this movie didn't feel like a bond film even though DC may be the best bond ever

I'd vowed to stay away from this thread but I'm going to weigh in in good faith.

If people feel that QoS doesn't feel like a Bond film, is that because of the film itself, or that they percieve the character to be different?

Because, Bond switching hotels, that's something Sir Rog would have done. Bond bedding Fields in an unbelievably short amount of time, well, there are so many comparisons it defies belief, but lets give TD a shout-out on the boat at the start of TLD.

Bond killing people en masse? Brozza in TND anyone?

When Bond reminds M that Mitchell didn't smoke when she talks about the gift she gave him, or the handcuff back and forth with Mathis - close your eyes and tell me you don't see SC making those sort of comments in DAF or TB.

The only things that didn't happen were Bond in a clown outfit, or some sort of joke containing a sexual euphemism.

Again, not liking QoS because it doesn't feel like a traditional Bond - there is a case to be made there. But saying that the character of Bond isn't in the film - that, IMHO, is a real stretch.

I am all for Bond changing, where it is logical and the story shows that change. Every great novel shows how characters develop. People change through life.

I found nothing endearing about Bond in Quantum. There was not one reason to care about the character. Brosnan might have been arguably wooden, but at least he was likable and didn't appear to take himself too seriously.

In Casino we had some good writing and Daniel Craig's acting. That worked. Quantum had so much opportunity to explore Bond's psychology, but failed to ever deliver anything much more than "filler" between one action scene and the next.

[dodge]

Sir Craig and the producers have promised to get us safely back to the "Bond we all know and love." Where's the harm in this thread's founder wanting to see that promise kept in Bond 23? I quite agree with BB in not faulting Craig, who's already proven he can nail the part. The problem here, for some of us, was simply the script and direction. Because of those we're unable to see what the rest of you seem to have happily seen. I don't need a talking parrot, but a little of that "four times the humor" they also promised in QoS would be more than welcome.

[Loomis]

dodge, perhaps the way to enjoy QUANTUM OF SOLACE is to view it as BOURNE 3.5, with Craig Daniels as an agent of the British branch of Treadstone.

Forget "Fleming" and "Bond" and all that old-fashioned flapdoodle that people seem to want to cling to for some reason. Instead, kick back and breathe in the aroma of Greengrass. Marvel at how the Palio sequence echoes Bourne's pursuit and pounding of Desh. Shake your hips to that Shakycam. Smile as Cregg commandeers a motorbike, has an impossible-to-follow brawl with a bloke in a hotel room, and generally goes about with a face like a wet weekend in Blackburn. Shiver at how nasty the CIA is. Think of this film as a spinoff - the JINX to THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM's DIE ANOTHER DAY.

Settle down, chill out, hum "Extreme Ways" softly to yourself, and clear your mind of all that "Shaken, not stirred" and "My name's Moneypenny" rubbish. And then you'll find QUANTUM OF SOLACE a blast.

[dodge]

dodge, perhaps the way to enjoy QUANTUM OF SOLACE is to view it as BOURNE 3.5, with Craig Daniels as an agent of the British branch of Treadstone.

Forget "Fleming" and "Bond" and all that old-fashioned flapdoodle that people seem to want to cling to for some reason. Instead, kick back and breathe in the aroma of Greengrass. Marvel at how the Palio sequence echoes Bourne's pursuit and pounding of Desh. Shake your hips to that Shakycam. Smile as Cregg commandeers a motorbike, has an impossible-to-follow brawl with a bloke in a hotel room, and generally goes about with a face like a wet weekend in Blackburn. Shiver at how nasty the CIA is. Think of this film as a spinoff - the JINX to THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM's DIE ANOTHER DAY.

Settle down, chill out, hum "Extreme Ways" softly to yourself, and clear your mind of all that "Shaken, not stirred" and "My name's Moneypenny" rubbish. And then you'll find QUANTUM OF SOLACE a blast.

Okay, Loomis, I'll give that a try...as soon as I've managed to find WATCHMEN'S squid.

[JimmyBond]

Brosnan might have been arguably wooden, but at least he was likable and didn't appear to take himself too seriously.

I take it you never saw TWINE then.

[007th Heaven]

Because this has nothing to do with Craig being a bad bond, this has to do with the fact that this movie didn't feel like a bond film even though DC may be the best bond ever.

I completely agree.

[gkgyver]

Wait a second, let me mentally catch up here - and it takes some mindbending to follow the train of thoughts of someone who doesn't see James Bond in QoS.

Did the perception of history vanish since November 6th? Wasn't it the fanbase, which saw James Bond descend into generic cartoon-action, that demanded a heavy shake-up of the series?
Wasn't it general consensus amongst the clear-minded that with every hour of Brosnan, 007 became more generic?
I am really open-minded, but sometimes I don't get people. Am I the only one who, after DAD, was completely tired of the predictability of a James Bond movie? The character became an amusing relict, it was empty!

It's high time that the Bond series can stand on its own again because until 2006, it was constantly parodising itself.
James Bond is a unique character on its own. As long as he's portrayed correctly, and as long as the movies are focused on him, the series will always be unique.

[Sigma7]

Yes bring back bond ( craigs bond is good ) so i should really be saying, bring back bondian elements ie, bond theme, sophistication, spying, gadgets( feasible kind) and no more art house crappy directors and editors, and that should improve bond 100 %

[quantumofsolace]

bring back the cliched Bond films(that tormented me for years) and bring back syphilis(which didn't)

[gkgyver]

What are you talking about? The Bond theme is in Quantum Of Solace, several times. Less is more, quality over quantity. The Oil Fields scene wouldn't be half as effective, had David Arnold littered the score with the theme. In DAD, it sounds like it's played on a loop, which makes the whole score flat and one-sided.

Before David Arnold's Tomorrow Never Dies used the theme excessively, how often did Barry write scores in which the Bond theme played nothing but a cameo role?

I already asked it in the other thread, define me sophistication!
Where was the spying in the Brosnan films? The whole opera sequence is more genuine than anything Brosnan ever did, not to mention that the escape from the hotel after Bond dismisses Bond from the service showcases perfectly the cat-like grace of the Fleming character.

Bondian moments are so much more effective when they're well-placed, so that the film doesn't feel like one big chain of disconnected one-liners.

And anyway, generally speaking, why are you generalising things so bad? "No more art house crappy directors and editors" makes it seem like QoS were the fifth movie in a row made in the same style! What's so "art house" about it? Because the action is missing a few wide shots? Because of the opera sequence, which by the way is an amazing bit of editing?

Give me a real movie with James Bond in it instead of a movie full of paint-by-the-numbers Bond moments that would like to pass themselves as a real movie any day of the year!

[Elvenstar]

I'm not understanding why people are saying Craig's Bond in QOS has no charm or sophistication and so on. Seems mostly to be guys who say this, just as how it's usually men who complain that Craig is unattractive.

Craig's Bond in QOS is quite sexy, and charming. No one can wear a suit like him, the clothes love him. He's a rarity that looks as good in a suit as out of it. He's walks in and owns the place. The stationary bit, and what followed. . . A girl should be so lucky. . . . Speak for yourself if you didn't see any charm there. Craig's Bond could charm the trench coat off of me any day!

I am standing up for James Bond, that's why I'm seeing QOS as much as I can.

THANKS Money! Completely agree!
Qos has some things that I didnt like (mainly pace, dialogue, disjointed story and editing) but what remaineg solid as a rock is cast and mainly Dan. He was such multi faceted character and Im reaaaally puzzled when someone said that he was just an action hero and not sophisticated and all that. He actually brought a lot more to the character than in Royale, that subtlety of his performance (just as Judy's) just amazes me. Sometimes I think that he's not James Bond but something much more. (He's not the type of actor to be playing the same thing over and over again) BTW I did see Bourne influence but not in his portrayal.

That's why Im probably even more excited to see Bond 23 than I was for Qos just to see how he will evolve in the next movie. I dont know what to expect and it's such a good thing IMHO!

Edited by Elvenstar, 24 November 2008 - 07:52 AM.

[tdalton]

I'm not understanding why people are saying Craig's Bond in QOS has no charm or sophistication and so on. Seems mostly to be guys who say this, just as how it's usually men who complain that Craig is unattractive.

Craig's Bond in QOS is quite sexy, and charming. No one can wear a suit like him, the clothes love him. He's a rarity that looks as good in a suit as out of it. He's walks in and owns the place. The stationary bit, and what followed. . . A girl should be so lucky. . . . Speak for yourself if you didn't see any charm there. Craig's Bond could charm the trench coat off of me any day!

I am standing up for James Bond, that's why I'm seeing QOS as much as I can.

THANKS Money! Completely agree!
Qos has some things that I didnt like (mainly pace, dialogue, disjointed story and editing) but what remaineg solid as a rock is cast and mainly Dan. He was such multi faceted character and Im reaaaally puzzled when someone said that he was just an action hero and not sophisticated and all that. He actually brought a lot more to the character than in Royale, that subtlety of his performance (just as Judy's) just amazez me. Sometimes I think that he's not James Bond but something much more. BTW I did see Borne influence but not in his portrayal.

That's why Im probably even more excited to see Bond 23 than I was for Qos just to see how he will evolve in the next movie. I dont know what to expect and it's such a good thing IMHO!

Completely agreed. I think that Daniel Craig has really taken the role of Bond and made him a much more dynamic character than he has been at any other time in the history of the franchise. I think that he's managed to capture the one thing that only Dalton and Connery were able to in their portrayals, which is the attitude of the character, but has taken it to a different level. When I watch CR and QoS, I actually believe that Craig is James Bond, which is something that, while at times happens for the other actors, is not always present in the other films.

[Harmsway]

Well, for you folks who weren't crazy about QUANTUM OF SOLACE, Craig has talked about a change of direction for BOND 23:

"I think it would be nice to get to know him a bit more in the next movie. I think he could be relaxed. I do think Quantum of Solace is the end of this sort of intensity. The next version of the intensity we will come from a different angle. It won't be so balls to the wall. It will hopefully be something that we can slowly come into and explore in a different way. Also, there will be a lot more gags."

[tdalton]

Well, for you folks who weren't crazy about QUANTUM OF SOLACE, Craig has talked about a change of direction for BOND 23:

"I think it would be nice to get to know him a bit more in the next movie. I think he could be relaxed. I do think Quantum of Solace is the end of this sort of intensity. The next version of the intensity we will come from a different angle. It won't be so balls to the wall. It will hopefully be something that we can slowly come into and explore in a different way. Also, there will be a lot more gags."

I hope that he doesn't change his approach to the character too much in the next one. His portrayal of Bond so far has been fantastic, and has really been the best part of both CR and QoS.

[sharpshooter]

I do hope the violence is the usual Craig standard. The Slate fight for instance. It probably will be, but more spread out.

The humour comments don’t really worry me. The humour in CR and QoS was dead on; more of the same style in abundance is fine.

I like the comment about getting to know Bond more, too. Seeing Bond in his apartment would be pretty cool, it hasn't been done since LALD. I think it's time to do it again.

[Harmsway]

I hope that he doesn't change his approach to the character too much in the next one. His portrayal of Bond so far has been fantastic, and has really been the best part of both CR and QoS.

I don't think he's talking about changing his approach to the character, just the kind of Bond story that's being told.