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QoS a difficult film to judge...entertaining but lacks depth!


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#1 5 BONDS

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 04:24 PM

This won't be an indepth review just my views on the movie, firstly I blame the film makers for trying to emulate the Bourne movies..the action has some sloppy editing and is shot so close up that you loose any tension because your eyes appear like they are zoomed in. The opening pre titles is too rushed and frentic.

The villains in this movie are the weakest I have seen in any Bond movie...not very memorable except for Mr White, only because he appeared in Casino Royale and even he isn't in it long. Mathis equally was nice to see but the way he left and the way Bond brushed it off was not good.The homage to Goldfinger is pointless and does not need to be used to keep reminding us.

What was the big fuss about this Elvis guy?....not even memorable even Zao was more interesting.

The film is entertaining and enjoyable except for the way they shot the action...would and could have been better in the traditional Bond way.

Overall the film ended too soon but coming after Casino Royale more a hit and miss. May need another viewing to appreciate it more.

I hope it will break box office records.

QoS is a 50/50 movie...50% will like it and 50% will hate it. The reviews will explain that. I liked it with some reservations.

Need to get some good script writers in for the next film..gotta start fresh.

Edited by 5 BONDS, 31 October 2008 - 04:26 PM.


#2 HildebrandRarity

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 05:13 PM

What really prevented me from taking in multiple viewings of Bourne Ultimatum was the horrid shakey cam. Q0S does not have shakey cam from all accounts.

Also, I had a fear that the initially-reported low run time would sacrifice plot, character and dialogue...now some say that there was stuff left on the cutting room floor while others say that it does not appear to be the case.

We'll see in two Fridays...:(

#3 deth

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 05:23 PM

What really prevented me from taking in multiple viewings of Bourne Ultimatum was the horrid shakey cam. Q0S does not have shakey cam from all accounts.

Also, I had a fear that the initially-reported low run time would sacrifice plot, character and dialogue...now some say that there was stuff left on the cutting room floor while others say that it does not appear to be the case.

We'll see in two Fridays...:(



well it seems the most consistent complaint is the plot... so it seems your fear may have come true.

#4 HildebrandRarity

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 05:29 PM

What really prevented me from taking in multiple viewings of Bourne Ultimatum was the horrid shakey cam. Q0S does not have shakey cam from all accounts.

Also, I had a fear that the initially-reported low run time would sacrifice plot, character and dialogue...now some say that there was stuff left on the cutting room floor while others say that it does not appear to be the case.

We'll see in two Fridays...:(



well it seems the most consistent complaint is the plot... so it seems your fear may have come true.


...but some people think the movie is about Greene's scheme whereas the plot is a vehicle for Bond to have some quantum of solace with respect to Vesper's betrayal and suicide and with respect to him become a complete 00 who looks at the big picture instead of just killing without thought.

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 05:38 PM

What really prevented me from taking in multiple viewings of Bourne Ultimatum was the horrid shakey cam. Q0S does not have shakey cam from all accounts.

Also, I had a fear that the initially-reported low run time would sacrifice plot, character and dialogue...now some say that there was stuff left on the cutting room floor while others say that it does not appear to be the case.

We'll see in two Fridays...:(



well it seems the most consistent complaint is the plot... so it seems your fear may have come true.


...but some people think the movie is about Greene's scheme whereas the plot is a vehicle for Bond to have some quantum of solace with respect to Vesper's betrayal and suicide and with respect to him become a complete 00 who looks at the big picture instead of just killing without thought.



agreed, but I think it's best if both elements are equally strong so they complement each other nicely. From what I've heard, it just seems as if Greene's plot is underdeveloped.

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 06:24 PM

What really prevented me from taking in multiple viewings of Bourne Ultimatum was the horrid shakey cam. Q0S does not have shakey cam from all accounts.

Also, I had a fear that the initially-reported low run time would sacrifice plot, character and dialogue...now some say that there was stuff left on the cutting room floor while others say that it does not appear to be the case.

We'll see in two Fridays...:(



well it seems the most consistent complaint is the plot... so it seems your fear may have come true.


...but some people think the movie is about Greene's scheme whereas the plot is a vehicle for Bond to have some quantum of solace with respect to Vesper's betrayal and suicide and with respect to him become a complete 00 who looks at the big picture instead of just killing without thought.



agreed, but I think it's best if both elements are equally strong so they complement each other nicely. From what I've heard, it just seems as if Greene's plot is underdeveloped.


This is the films biggest problem. Even though many of us going into the film put aside expectations of Q, Moneypenny, "Bond...James Bond" and Moore/Brosnan campness given the changes in CR, we were expecting a typical villain plot storyline to compliment the "finding the quantum of solace" elements, and this part is badly handled. The emotional side of the story is handled very well, but if they'd got the traditional Bond plot right, and not left in some big plot holes then this film would be top notch.

After multiple viewings I tend to view Bond films to get enjoyment of out character moments and well conceived action sequences, and because I know the plot inside-out I don't need the film to communicate the plot well, so this weakness will be less important over time, but for initial viewings it is a problem

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 06:26 PM

From what I've heard, it just seems as if Greene's plot is underdeveloped.


Greene's plot is just a McGuffin or whatever it's called. He's a plot device for Bond to learn more about the organisation later revealed to be Quantum as well as his means of having answers about Vesper.

The film is chiefly about this, Bond coming to terms with the murky morality of the intelligence services and his encounter with someone bitterly bent on revenge who's left empty once her goal has been achieved.

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 08:45 PM

This film I think, was just made to promote the game that is coming out right now. I have the feeling they ditched the original script / storyline to just copy the action that was in the game. A friend told me coming out of the screening "this feels like a game more than a film, with all the levels". That could explain why the characterisation and story and everything that worked in CR is nowhere to be found here. You would think they make games to tie in with movies, but in this case, they seems to have made a movie to tie-in with the game.

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 08:51 PM

This film I think, was just made to promote the game that is coming out right now. I have the feeling they ditched the original script / storyline to just copy the action that was in the game. A friend told me coming out of the screening "this feels like a game more than a film, with all the levels". That could explain why the characterisation and story and everything that worked in CR is nowhere to be found here. You would think they make games to tie in with movies, but in this case, they seems to have made a movie to tie-in with the game.


GoldenEye the game made tons more than the movie.

If that's their thinking then where can I get my hands on some Eon shares? :(

*turning red with envy*

#10 Major Tallon

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Posted 01 November 2008 - 02:42 AM

This film I think, was just made to promote the game that is coming out right now. I have the feeling they ditched the original script / storyline to just copy the action that was in the game. A friend told me coming out of the screening "this feels like a game more than a film, with all the levels". That could explain why the characterisation and story and everything that worked in CR is nowhere to be found here. You would think they make games to tie in with movies, but in this case, they seems to have made a movie to tie-in with the game.


I know you've been down on this movie since before it was finished flming, but this most recent post really is pretty lame. With all respect to your friend's insight, there's not a scrap of evidence to support this notion.

It's one thing to argue your position, though some might think you've been going on a bit. It's quite another to be senselessly provocative.

#11 DLibrasnow

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Posted 01 November 2008 - 03:01 AM

I find the title of this thread just plain wierd....who cares about depth as long as the movie entertains.

We go to the movies to be entertained, plain and simple.

#12 sharpshooter

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Posted 01 November 2008 - 03:12 AM

We go to the movies to be entertained, plain and simple.

Quite so. I for one like the idea of frantic, full on action.