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[PrinceKamalKhan]

I think I could've imagined Craig leaning over Eleckta's dead body and kissing her (or Paris' for that matter) a bit better than Brosnan did.

I can't see it. Craig's Bond wouldn't lean over the body of someone who was torturing him seconds before. He would have shot her, and that would have been it. If Elektra had been less villainous, and their romantic relationship was better established than it was in the finished film, maybe then I could see Craig leaning over her. But as she was presented? Nah. He would have been as cold as ice.

Which is another reason I prefer the very lowly regarded Die Another Day to The World is not Enough. Just compare Bond's handling of Miranda Frost in the later film to his handling of Elektra in the earlier film. Bond doesn't act all sappy and sentimental over Miss Frost and the second he learns she betrayed him he attempts to execute her with none of this "please don't make me shoot you" nonsense.

[Mister E]

I think I could've imagined Craig leaning over Eleckta's dead body and kissing her (or Paris' for that matter) a bit better than Brosnan did.

I can't see it. Craig's Bond wouldn't lean over the body of someone who was torturing him seconds before. He would have shot her, and that would have been it. If Elektra had been less villainous, and their romantic relationship was better established than it was in the finished film, maybe then I could see Craig leaning over her. But as she was presented? Nah. He would have been as cold as ice.

Which is another reason I prefer the very lowly regarded Die Another Day to The World is not Enough. Just compare Bond's handling of Miranda Frost in the later film to his handling of Elektra in the earlier film. Bond doesn't act all sappy and sentimental over Miss Frost and the second he learns she betrayed him he attempts to execute her with none of this "please don't make me shoot you" nonsense.

I have to agree. Brosnan was such a wimp in TWINE, I wanted to throw up when I saw him touch Elektra's image on the computer screen.

[Harmsway]

I don't understand how you can say that. Maybe you didn't like her character, but I can't understand how you feel her performance was worse than Tanya "Seawater? That's incredibly dangerous" Roberts or Denise "Yeah, but they're usually standing still" Richards.

Those performances were hilariously flat, but they were nowhere near as grating or insufferable as Marceau's Elektra. The others are poor, but Marceau actually makes my buttocks clench with every line she utters.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I don't understand how you can say that. Maybe you didn't like her character, but I can't understand how you feel her performance was worse than Tanya "Seawater? That's incredibly dangerous" Roberts or Denise "Yeah, but they're usually standing still" Richards.

Those performances were hilariously flat, but they were nowhere near as grating or insufferable as Marceau's Elektra. The others are poor, but Marceau actually makes my buttocks clench with every line she utters.

I have to agree; if I hear her ranting about "the glooory ouf mai PEEEOPLE!!!" one more time, I think I'll bust a nut...

The film is almost more about Renard, Elektra, and M than it is about Bond. I think if this film were made today, perhaps SONY and company might allow the relationship with Elektra to dominate the movie...

I agree; if the film were allowed to flow naturally, it'd almost be like Quantum of Solace the short story, with Bond as a background player in the relationship between a flirtatious young woman and her unfeeling lover.

[Kristian]

By the way, speaking of DELETED SCENES for TWINE, I read somewhere that there was a DELETED SCENE towards the end wherein Zukofsky is rushed by his bodyguards to the M16 Castle Thames in Scotland, where his life is saved by Dr. Warmflash. Then the action segued back to Istanbul with Bond preparing to hit Dr. Chrissie's sweet spot. Cue the scene with M saying "I thought you said he was with Dr. Jones..... Double-0h-Seven!!!!"

Come on, lady. Like you had no idea your top man was a total poon-hound. What were you thinking he was doing with all his time? Working in the garage?

Anyway, anyone else hear of this scene? I guess it was probably deleted because:

1. Wouldn't it make sense to rush Z to a - oh, why not - local clinic in Istanbul? Instead flying him a thousand miles across Europe to a--

2. --secret location of M16 that no one knows about?

I'm just saying...

Edited by Kristian, 12 October 2008 - 11:09 PM.

[Double-0-7]

I wish they would have whittled out more of her scenes, like all of them. If they had cut her out completely, TWINE may have had a chance on being a somewhat half way decent Bond film.

Hey, she looked great in those little scientist shorts!

[coco1997]

I have to agree; if I hear her ranting about "the glooory ouf mai PEEEOPLE!!!" one more time, I think I'll bust a nut...

Wow. I'm sooooo not going to touch that.

What he said or the nut?

[Mr. Blofeld]

I have to agree; if I hear her ranting about "the glooory ouf mai PEEEOPLE!!!" one more time, I think I'll bust a nut...

Wow. I'm sooooo not going to touch that.

What he said or the nut?

The "bust a nut" part.

Erm... what I meant is that if I have to sit through any Sophie Marceau film that just happens to be TWINE again, I'll probably lose my manhood.

[Kristian]

I have to agree; if I hear her ranting about "the glooory ouf mai PEEEOPLE!!!" one more time, I think I'll bust a nut...

Wow. I'm sooooo not going to touch that.

What he said or the nut?

The "bust a nut" part.

Erm... what I meant is that if I have to sit through any Sophie Marceau film that just happens to be TWINE again, I'll probably lose my manhood.

Just read something on MSN.com that Denise Richards in TWINE "stank more than a toilet backed up with a week's worth of feces."

Ow. I wan't my Mommy.

Here are my suggestions for alternate Dr. Christmas Jones.

1. Natasha Henstridge - Yes she's a little younger than Denise, but she actually comes off a more mature and sophisticated. Plus, she's tall and appears more authoritative.

2. Carrie-Anne Moss - She would've been perfect as Dr. Jones - being able to convey both her impatience with men and her playfulness later on. Plus, Carrie-Anne is gorgeous in a statuesque way, and not in a pørn star way.

3. Elisabeth Rohm - Dead ringer for Sharon Stone - and could have pulled off both the intellectual and spunky sides of Christmas Jones.

4. Julianne Moore - I read in an EW article that she was the one who the editors felt should have played the role. Combines brains, beauty and attitude believably.

5. Jennifer Connelly - Actually, from some angles, Denise Richards resembles Jennife in TWINE. But Jennifer would have had the acting chops to pull it off.

6. Monica Belluci - If Dr. Jones had remained French-Polynesian as the original drafts intended, Monica would have been perfect.

[MkB]

6. Monica Belluci - If Dr. Jones had remained French-Polynesian as the original drafts intended, Monica would have been perfect.

Naaah, she's beautiful, but she looks like a French scientist just as much as I look like an Italian actress!

4. Julianne Moore - I read in an EW article that she was the one who the editors felt should have played the role. Combines brains, beauty and attitude believably.

Ah yep I'd agrree on this one

I don't know the others, I'm afraid.

[dinovelvet]

4. Julianne Moore - I read in an EW article that she was the one who the editors felt should have played the role. Combines brains, beauty and attitude believably.

Well, yeah, but did you ever see The Lost World? That script let her down, and TWINE would've done the same. Besides, she would've been 39 in 1999, and for EON that's practically over-the-hill.

She also paired with Brosnan in the mostly flat Laws of Attraction, and ended up in another Lee Tamahori CGI nightmare - "Next". However I think she could have been a more credible "doctor" character and would have added a touch of class. Not enough to salvage TWINE as a whole, anyhoo.