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[QuantumOO7FSolace]

James Bond was always seen as Gentleman, from the set go.... I for one didnt see him as such coz he slaps women, kills people and does other stuff! Clearly not my take on whats a gentleman! Gentleman are supposed to be charming,have an ettiquette and be well in society! I guessed a man in a suit, is considered a gentleman! Well it must be a foolish notion!

Daniel Craig in Casino Royale, when he was in the train stood up and after that in the Restaurant when Vesper left, thats somewhat can be labelled as a sign of chivalry! I cannt count the numerous time, he said thank you as well in Casino Royale! Plus at the same time, engaging in numerous other ungent behaviour!

What can we expect from Craigs James Bond on Chivalry this time around? Will he show signs of it?Can we expect that after this movie? Do You Find Craigs Bond as being a Gent? And Why?

Edited by QuantumOO7FSolace, 13 September 2008 - 10:25 AM.

[DamnCoffee]

We had a similar discussion to this a few years ago. I think Mister Asterix started a thread.

http://debrief.comma...amp;hl=chivalry

[Mercator]

James Bond was always seen as Gentleman, from the set go.... I for one didnt see him as such coz he slaps women, kills people and does other stuff! Clearly not my take on whats a gentleman! Gentleman are supposed to be charming,have an ettiquette and be well in society! I guessed a man in a suit, is considered a gentleman! Well it must be a foolish notion!

Daniel Craig in Casino Royale, when he was in the train stood up and after that in the Restaurant when Vesper left, thats somewhat can be labelled as a sign of chivalry! I cannt count the numerous time, he said thank you as well in Casino Royale! Plus at the same time, engaging in numerous other ungent behaviour!

What can we expect from Craigs James Bond on Chivalry this time around? Will he show signs of it?Can we expect that after this movie? Do You Find Craigs Bond as being a Gent? And Why?

I do find Craigs BondJamesBond on being a Gent, QuantumOO7FSolace. I have not for the thought that Chivalry is dead extinct. Craigs James Bond will show signs of it but has to in his job ungent behaviour. Yes, we can expect that after this movie. Bond does have an etiquette and is well in the society. M, Boothroyd, Moneypenny and Tibbert have told this to Bond in the films. And in Goldfinger, banker too. But the 007 also must for to kill in his werk - als he has saided he would not be very good at his job if he did not do for this. He cannt. But does not mean that Bond does not have the Chivilaries - he has more of them than the baddies too.

Edited by Mercator, 13 September 2008 - 10:43 AM.

[Santa]

I've been told off recently for being too chivalrous - at dog training they keep telling me not say 'please' and 'thank you' to my dog. But I keep doing it. Apparently these are just excess words that detract from the command and confuse my dog. I can't help it, I'm old-fashioned and can't get out of the habit of being polite to him.

[MkB]

I dunno, not sure being polite and chivalrous are the same thing... I'm often irritated by "forced", politically correct politeness, for instance at the supermarket, when I get a ticket and queue at the delicatessen department, the shop assistants alwys call for "the person with ticket number 29, please", instead of "number 29", plain and simple. A little less conversation, a little more action, please! There's already enough uncanny aggressive noise in a supermarket to be thankful when people cut the "politically correct" talking down

[QuantumOO7FSolace]

I dunno, not sure being polite and chivalrous are the same thing... I'm often irritated by "forced", politically correct politeness, for instance at the supermarket, when I get a ticket and queue at the delicatessen department, the shop assistants alwys call for "the person with ticket number 29, please", instead of "number 29", plain and simple. A little less conversation, a little more action, please! There's already enough uncanny aggressive noise in a supermarket to be thankful when people cut the "politically correct" talking down

Well, do you think that this Century, we lost common sense of what is politeness and being a Gent? I guess it comes with our up-bringing!

Roger Moore was the only Bond who dressed smart, was courteous, polite, a bit of a devil but still remained a Gentleman all the way! The only time, i saw him being Different was in the Man With A Golden Gun when he slapped that woman and twisted her arms!! Thats more Craig and Connery and Dalton doing that!

Bond in this Day and Age must have notions of Chivalry, coz its becoming a lost art which is a shame! Difference being, not being walked by people but be a Gentleman! A Gentleman, must know where to draw the line and react accordingly and never lose his cool!
Todays Gent are according to me George Clooney and Daniel Craig but Craig on talk-shows not the 007 Character!

Bond should retain some these virtues coz he isnt Vin Diesel who preaches Anarchy as his Motto!
Craigs Bond Is, Lol a Trouble maker more than a Charmer! Which i found Puzzling! More like a bully than a Bond!! What do you think of Craig's Bond, is see for You the Gentleman? I know that its Bond Begins as off Casino Royale but still where and how does the latter picks up his Gentleman Cue!? Dont tell to start off at least being a Gent, who you to have that in You from an early begining which this 007 doesnt! This is just a Positive Critic coz I Adore Craig and is My 1 007!

[MkB]

I dunno, not sure being polite and chivalrous are the same thing... I'm often irritated by "forced", politically correct politeness, for instance at the supermarket, when I get a ticket and queue at the delicatessen department, the shop assistants alwys call for "the person with ticket number 29, please", instead of "number 29", plain and simple. A little less conversation, a little more action, please! There's already enough uncanny aggressive noise in a supermarket to be thankful when people cut the "politically correct" talking down

Well, do you think that this Century, we lost common sense of what is politeness and being a Gent? I guess it comes with our up-bringing!

I just meant that I'm seriously pissed off by politically correct politeness. For example, in CR, I prefer Bond telling Mathis "Get the girl out!" rather than "Get the girl out, please!"

[double o ego]

Were you guys asleep during the Connery era? Chivalry was all over the place. Looka at the way Connery interacted with the villains. The dinner table with Dr.No, Largo at the casino and at his house, hell, even with GF whilst captured at Fort nox.
In fact, I'd go on as far as saying the Dr.No film had more chivalry than any other Bond film. Conenry's interaction with almost every character in that film showed just how much of a suave gent he was/is. He even said good morning to Dent's secretary as he was leaving Dent laboratories. Now, that right here is old fashioned english chivalry.

Just because Bond slapped women and killed, doesn't make him less of a gent, he's a secret agent where states of affairs are too imporatant to be Mr Goody 2 shoes 24/7. He has to get certain jobs done by any means necessary. Plus, slapping women, and bum-slapping wasn't the domestic/social crime it is in today's world gone soft.

That being said, I do feel that Craig has thus far shown enough gent-like behaviour that is more than befitting in todays world, which is a good thing, afterall Bond is and always has been a classic English gent and it just looks and feels right when someone called James Bond who is a spy behaves this way.

Edited by double o ego, 13 September 2008 - 03:35 PM.

[MkB]

Plus, slapping women, and bum-slapping wasn't the domestic/social crime it is in today's world gone soft.

If not slapping women is your definition of going soft...

[Santa]

Plus, slapping women, and bum-slapping wasn't the domestic/social crime it is in today's world gone soft.

If not slapping women is your definition of going soft...

Quite. The arguments against this are too numerous to list.

[double o ego]

Uh, I'e never been an advocate of hitting women but In Bond's defence, he didn't slap women in general and never for the sake of it. He only slapped them if they were directlyly involved in the mission at hand(potential female villain) or were withholding vital information that hindered his progress in completing the mission. I honestly do believe that that slaps every woman got from Bond in the movies were justified and I don't see anything wrong with women getting slapped in action films wether its By Bond or the villain. Afterall, women in movies do get shot, raped, killed and what eer else. Hell, even McClain in DH4 beat the hell out of that Chinese chick but I guess that's alright because she's Asian and should know how to do karate *rolls eyes*

Edited by double o ego, 13 September 2008 - 03:51 PM.

[QuantumOO7FSolace]

Uh, I'e never been an advocate of hitting women but In Bond's defence, he didn't slap women in general and never for the sake of it. He only slapped them if they were directlyly involved in the mission at hand(potential female villain) or were withholding vital information that hindered his progress in completing the mission. I honestly do believe that that slaps every woman got from Bond in the movies were justified.

Hitting Women is not justified even if they look for it! Hate people who have or make them excuses for hitting a woman! Thats not acceptable! Inferior guys do that to prove inadequancies of their part! But thats your opinion, i respect it but doesnt mean i accept it,Double o ego...We all have our way of looking at things, mine is hitting woman is unustifiable and Bond as a moral guy who is not should know better! Thats even more stupid, coz they must be kinda of dumb Eon! Craig cant light a cigarette on the screen coz teens will smoke, but slapped women can be seen by Bond not going light handedly at all, rather the opposite! Looks like the guy gets a kick out of doing that!! Im not a supporter of feminist movement at all but there are things that arent done coz they are unacceptable in normal life especially that should be banned! And Bring Craig lighting loads of Cigarrete on screen, please if you gonna hit women and drink the bottle of whisky after you murdered someone!!

[double o ego]

Uh, I'e never been an advocate of hitting women but In Bond's defence, he didn't slap women in general and never for the sake of it. He only slapped them if they were directlyly involved in the mission at hand(potential female villain) or were withholding vital information that hindered his progress in completing the mission. I honestly do believe that that slaps every woman got from Bond in the movies were justified.

Hitting Women is not justified even if they look for it! Hate people who have or make them excuses for hitting a woman! Thats not acceptable! Inferior guys do that to prove inadequancies of their part! But thats your opinion, i respect it but doesnt mean i accept it,Double o ego...We all have our way of looking at things, mine is hitting woman is unustifiable and Bond as a moral guy who is not should know better! Thats even more stupid, coz they must be kinda of dumb Eon! Craig cant light a cigarette on the screen coz teens will smoke, but slapped women can be seen by Bond not going light handedly at all, rather the opposite! Looks like the guy gets a kick out of doing that!! Im not a supporter of feminist movement at all but there are things that arent done coz they are unacceptable in normal life especially that should be banned! And Bring Craig lighting loads of Cigarrete on screen, please if you gonna hit women and drink the bottle of whisky after you murdered someone!!

I just want to make it perfect clear that I don't advocate women being hit but ina movie that involves killing by both men and women, I fail to see why a woman getting a slap is a big deal. I mean come on, Bond planted a bullet in Elektra's head. Wouldn't a hard slap or a punch have sufficed? Still, that doesn't mean guys'l now run around shooting women in the head. I think it's basically how the situation is handled and executed. In QoS, we know from the trailer that Olga's character gets into a fight with some guy, now, would it be out of the question to assume this guy she's fighting, who has just slammed her through a glass table will slap her? I personally don't think so. Or what about a female villain who is trying to kill the protagonist in any number of ways, surely slapping her shouldn't raise eyebrows? Now, this isn't to be confused with a scene like, Bond going up to a girl, charms her, gets knocked back and then Bond slaps her for rejecting and embarassing him, now that is just 100% wrong and unjustified.

[Mercator]

But why the hitting women worse als hitting men? Bond should stop hitting men then too if ungent beheavior, no? And Sir Connery did say you should hit woman with open hand rather then fisting for men. I donnt have agreement with humane violents but think is same to hit the mans then to his womans no? I have the feminimism too and equals they should have the treatment. In this I have the agreement with double o ego. The Brosnon films were so ungent and unPC with Bond hiting Xenia, killing Elektra, letting Paris die after sleeping for her and Jinx just being for the bekini. And Bond has smoking cigars and driving fast and shooting all Russians all the time - killing so much. And thinking, QuantumOO7FSolace, not so for to good to bring Craig lighting loads of Cigarrete on screen. Coz so dumb to have this.

Edited by Mercator, 13 September 2008 - 04:16 PM.

[Santa]

And the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

[MkB]

* sighs *

Bond can be chivalrous if he fights with whoever he wants to, man or woman, as long as it's a match.

He just can't if he slaps a woman.

Full stop (or period, as you like it).