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[DamnCoffee]

I was skipping through Casino Royale last night and I have a question.

Ok, first of all my Geography is not good, so please bear with me.

Bond is messing about with Solange when she get's a phone call from Dimitrios saying that he's on the last flight to Miami. Bond then leaves Solange and tails Dimitrios to Miami. Did Bond hop on a plane and tail Dimitrios to Miami or are they actually not in Miami at all?

It's quite confusing as Bond presumably tails Dimitrios to the airport, get's on a plane to Miami, arrives at Miami airport, tails Dimitrios to the bodyworks exhibition, then tails Carlos back to Miami airport wherupon he get's arrested and flys all of the way back to the Bahamas. This is how I see it. But If this turns out to be the case, why would Dimitrios bother traveling all of the way to the bodyworks exhibition to plant a device so Carlos can pick it up and take it to somewhere where Dimitrios has just come from, It would be easier for Dimitrios to have just planted the keyring at Miami Airport and for Carlos to retreive it from there rather than a bodyworks exhibition?

Could someone give me a hand with this please.

[Righty007]

Florida and The Bahamas aren't connected by bridge therefore Bond also took "the last plane to Miami." He then took a taxi from MIA to the museum. It is a bit confusing because the film doesn't show his flight.

[DamnCoffee]

Ahh, thank you very much mate.

[dinovelvet]

But If this turns out to be the case, why would Dimitrios bother traveling all of the way to the bodyworks exhibition to plant a device so Carlos can pick it up and take it to somewhere where Dimitrios has just come from, It would be easier for Dimitrios to have just planted the keyring at Miami Airport and for Carlos to retreive it from there rather than a bodyworks exhibition?

Could someone give me a hand with this please.

Well, there are about a billion security cameras at a huge international airport like Miami. Dimitrios presumably has his face "on file" with the CIA, Interpol etc, just like he is with MI6, so if a security camera spots him at a major airport putting something in a locker, etc, it would probably attract attention.

[Righty007]

No problem. Here's an answer to your second question:

Why did they meet at the exhibit instead of at MIA?

Since Carlos didn't actually work at the airport, he couldn't have waited there for Dimitrios because he risked bringing attention to himself. In a post-9//11 world, you can't just loiter in an airport. Plus Carlos didn't have the key yet so he couldn't have gotten beyond security. You need a ticket or security clearance to get past the lobby these days.

Carlos was hired at the last minute (Mollaka was dead) so that may explain why Dimitrios was willing to go out of the way to get Carlos his key in an inconspicuous location.

Hope all that makes sense.

[DamnCoffee]

Yes! Thank you so much!

I think the fact that Bond getting to Miami so fast made it confusing.

[Righty007]

Yes! Thank you so much!

I think the fact that Bond getting to Miami so fast made it confusing.

The plane ride from The Bahamas to Miami is probably very short.

[Bryce (003)]

It's only about a seventy minute flight from Miami to Nassau. I guess the big question for me is if Bond was on the same flight. Would have been an interesting scene with Bond trying to board the plane and not being spotted by Dimitrios.

Anyway, we'll just chalk this one up to a "movie liberty". Another possibility, if you want to stretch it a bit is that Bond didn't catch a flight from the Nassau airport. He arrived via a float plane service that flies into the harbor airport by the Atlantis resort. Maybe that's what he took back. Problem is, that service flies into Miami harbor and not MIA.

I know, "How the Hell does he know these things?"

Well, I travel a lot.

[DamnCoffee]

How the Hell does he know these things!?

[Professor Dent]

It's only about a seventy minute flight from Miami to Nassau. I guess the big question for me is if Bond was on the same flight. Would have been an interesting scene with Bond trying to board the plane and not being spotted by Dimitrios.

I've wondered this one myself. The other part that bugs me is how Bond gets into the security area without a boarding pass. Better to just let it be & enjoy it for what it is.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

It's only about a seventy minute flight from Miami to Nassau. I guess the big question for me is if Bond was on the same flight. Would have been an interesting scene with Bond trying to board the plane and not being spotted by Dimitrios.

I've wondered this one myself. The other part that bugs me is how Bond gets into the security area without a boarding pass. Better to just let it be & enjoy it for what it is.

He has a boarding pass. It's the ticket for the return flight to the Bahamas. The script said as much and it can seen very briefly but you have to look hard. You can see it best in Bond's hands as he takes his jacket off right before he goes through the checkpoint.

[Janus Assassin]

No problem. Here's an answer to your second question:

Why did they meet at the exhibit instead of at MIA?

Since Carlos didn't actually work at the airport, he couldn't have waited there for Dimitrios because he risked bringing attention to himself. In a post-9//11 world, you can't just loiter in an airport. Plus Carlos didn't have the key yet so he couldn't have gotten beyond security. You need a ticket or security clearance to get past the lobby these days.

Carlos was hired at the last minute (Mollaka was dead) so that may explain why Dimitrios was willing to go out of the way to get Carlos his key in an inconspicuous location.

Hope all that makes sense.

I think Dimitrios gave him the key at the exhibition incase something should go wrong that there is nothing to connect them.

[Professor Dent]

It's only about a seventy minute flight from Miami to Nassau. I guess the big question for me is if Bond was on the same flight. Would have been an interesting scene with Bond trying to board the plane and not being spotted by Dimitrios.

I've wondered this one myself. The other part that bugs me is how Bond gets into the security area without a boarding pass. Better to just let it be & enjoy it for what it is.

He has a boarding pass. It's the ticket for the return flight to the Bahamas. The script said as much and it can seen very briefly but you have to look hard. You can see it best in Bond's hands as he takes his jacket off right before he goes through the checkpoint.

Thanks for that - I've never read the script but do need to look closer next time I watch it.

[DaveBond21]

Yes! Thank you so much!

I think the fact that Bond getting to Miami so fast made it confusing.

You've waited a while to ask this one? But yes, there was no time to show the flight, and we are informed that Bond is in Miami by the shot of the road sign.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Yes! Thank you so much!

I think the fact that Bond getting to Miami so fast made it confusing.

You've waited a while to ask this one? But yes, there was no time to show the flight, and we are informed that Bond is in Miami by the shot of the road sign.

Its possible that a connecting shot was filmed but jump-cutting by Stuart Baird intervened.

[Publius]

It would be easier for Dimitrios to have just planted the keyring at Miami Airport and for Carlos to retreive it from there rather than a bodyworks exhibition?

Trust me, MIA is far too chaotic for that to be feasible.

[Blofeld's Cat]

It would be easier for Dimitrios to have just planted the keyring at Miami Airport and for Carlos to retreive it from there rather than a bodyworks exhibition?

Trust me, MIA is far too chaotic for that to be feasible.

It's sure changed since Licence to Kill.

[Righty007]

It would be easier for Dimitrios to have just planted the keyring at Miami Airport and for Carlos to retreive it from there rather than a bodyworks exhibition?

Trust me, MIA is far too chaotic for that to be feasible.

It's sure changed since Licence to Kill.

That was actually Key West International Airport. Florida has more than one airport!

[Mister E]

That was actually Key West International Airport. Florida has more than one airport!

Lies ! LIES !

[Odd Job]

There's something about the timing of this sequence that has always bothered me. If we assume that Bond enters the Ocean Club's casino early in the evening (say 7pm), it still must take him a little while to clean out Dimitrios and win the Aston Martin (say 1.5 hours). So lets assume that Bond leaves with Solange at about 8:30 whilst Dimitrios visit's Lechiffre on his Yacht. I'll them have ten minutes of 'fun' before Solange gets the call from her husband to say that he's catching the last flight to Miami. Let's be generous and say this flight is at 9pm. Therefore, Bond does a runner on Solange (foolish man), gets on the flight (without Dimitrios seeing him - possible if Bond is clever enough). The flight leaves the Bahamas at 9pm and arrives in Miami around 10:10pm.

Even allowing a quick cab ride to the Bodyworks Exhibition, it still must be after 10:30pm but the place is packed. Even more ludicrous, after killing Dimitrios, Bond follows Carlos back to the airport to prevent him from sabotaging the big launch of the new airliner. What time is the launch supposed to take place, 11pm at night. Am I the only one that thinks this is confusing? By the way this occurred to me the first time I saw CR in the cinema.

[dinovelvet]

Even allowing a quick cab ride to the Bodyworks Exhibition, it still must be after 10:30pm but the place is packed. Even more ludicrous, after killing Dimitrios, Bond follows Carlos back to the airport to prevent him from sabotaging the big launch of the new airliner. What time is the launch supposed to take place, 11pm at night. Am I the only one that thinks this is confusing? By the way this occurred to me the first time I saw CR in the cinema.

From the shots of Bond's and Carlos' cellphones, it gives the time as around 2am when they're at the airport (can't remember EXACTLY what the time is, I'm sure someone will be sad enough to look though ). It would be a strange time to have the plane launch, wouldn't it! But I'm guessing the launch and big media event was scheduled for, say, 9am, and they were just getting everything ready. It would probably be more difficult for Carlos to do his thing during the actual launch, when there would be extra security and media everywhere, etc.

[Odd Job]

Even allowing a quick cab ride to the Bodyworks Exhibition, it still must be after 10:30pm but the place is packed. Even more ludicrous, after killing Dimitrios, Bond follows Carlos back to the airport to prevent him from sabotaging the big launch of the new airliner. What time is the launch supposed to take place, 11pm at night. Am I the only one that thinks this is confusing? By the way this occurred to me the first time I saw CR in the cinema.

From the shots of Bond's and Carlos' cellphones, it gives the time as around 2am when they're at the airport (can't remember EXACTLY what the time is, I'm sure someone will be sad enough to look though ). It would be a strange time to have the plane launch, wouldn't it! But I'm guessing the launch and big media event was scheduled for, say, 9am, and they were just getting everything ready. It would probably be more difficult for Carlos to do his thing during the actual launch, when there would be extra security and media everywhere, etc.

That's a possible explanation, although there seems to be a lot of people about the place considering that their just getting it ready. Also, I would think that they would leave the plane in the hangar until the launch, don't you?

I guess we'll never really know!!

[Publius]

That was actually Key West International Airport. Florida has more than one airport!

And only one good one: Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International Airport.

Seriously, I'd like to see Bond make a reference to flying there instead of MIA if he ever returns to Miami in the future. It would make sense for a professional traveler to know little tricks like that.

[Janus Assassin]

That was actually Key West International Airport. Florida has more than one airport!

And only one good one: Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International Airport.

Seriously, I'd like to see Bond make a reference to flying there instead of MIA if he ever returns to Miami in the future. It would make sense for a professional traveler to know little tricks like that.

I hate Lauderdale Airport, i always fly into PBI. but yeah this scene always bothered me because Miami Airport doesnt really look like that on the inside, from what i remember

[Blofeld's Cat]

It would be easier for Dimitrios to have just planted the keyring at Miami Airport and for Carlos to retreive it from there rather than a bodyworks exhibition?

Trust me, MIA is far too chaotic for that to be feasible.

It's sure changed since Licence to Kill.

That was actually Key West International Airport. Florida has more than one airport!

Of course. Thanks for the correction, Chris.

[DaveBond21]

Even allowing a quick cab ride to the Bodyworks Exhibition, it still must be after 10:30pm but the place is packed. Even more ludicrous, after killing Dimitrios, Bond follows Carlos back to the airport to prevent him from sabotaging the big launch of the new airliner. What time is the launch supposed to take place, 11pm at night. Am I the only one that thinks this is confusing? By the way this occurred to me the first time I saw CR in the cinema.

From the shots of Bond's and Carlos' cellphones, it gives the time as around 2am when they're at the airport (can't remember EXACTLY what the time is, I'm sure someone will be sad enough to look though ). It would be a strange time to have the plane launch, wouldn't it! But I'm guessing the launch and big media event was scheduled for, say, 9am, and they were just getting everything ready. It would probably be more difficult for Carlos to do his thing during the actual launch, when there would be extra security and media everywhere, etc.

That's a possible explanation, although there seems to be a lot of people about the place considering that their just getting it ready. Also, I would think that they would leave the plane in the hangar until the launch, don't you?

I guess we'll never really know!!

Yep. It's a Bond movie. It has to have some implausible elements.

[Binyamin]

However, as Bond movies go, Casino Royale is pretty damn tight when it comes to plot holes.

[Odd Job]

Even allowing a quick cab ride to the Bodyworks Exhibition, it still must be after 10:30pm but the place is packed. Even more ludicrous, after killing Dimitrios, Bond follows Carlos back to the airport to prevent him from sabotaging the big launch of the new airliner. What time is the launch supposed to take place, 11pm at night. Am I the only one that thinks this is confusing? By the way this occurred to me the first time I saw CR in the cinema.

From the shots of Bond's and Carlos' cellphones, it gives the time as around 2am when they're at the airport (can't remember EXACTLY what the time is, I'm sure someone will be sad enough to look though ). It would be a strange time to have the plane launch, wouldn't it! But I'm guessing the launch and big media event was scheduled for, say, 9am, and they were just getting everything ready. It would probably be more difficult for Carlos to do his thing during the actual launch, when there would be extra security and media everywhere, etc.

That's a possible explanation, although there seems to be a lot of people about the place considering that their just getting it ready. Also, I would think that they would leave the plane in the hangar until the launch, don't you?

I guess we'll never really know!!

Yep. It's a Bond movie. It has to have some implausible elements.

Hey a hollowed out volcano or a car-submarine I can accept, but a slightly unrealistic timeline - now thats going too far!!!!!