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[Blonde Bond]

After watching his Bond movies, and seeing how gracefully he aged from LALD, where he looked much much younger than he was, to Octopussy.

But then, only two years after Octopussy he hardly looked like himself. Thick 'old man like' eyebrows and old man's face. My question is; when did the old Roger get a facelift, or did he just age like that?

I'm no expert of aging men and I'm not an expert of facelifts, when the facelift isn't as obvious as it was with Joan Rivers, who has had more than a facelift... more than one facelift and then some other work on her face.

Does anyone know if Roger got a facelift, and if he did, then when did he get it?

[Santa]

Roger has NEVER had work done. He is naturally beautiful.

[DamnCoffee]

Roger definately had something done post Octopussy, he looked perfectly fine in that movie, then A View to a Kill came along and he looked quite bad. Plus, he has no mole!

[Safari Suit]

Some people say it was just because of weight lossa, others swear blind he had a lift. Someone once suggested they had heard Rog joke about it in an interview, but I've never heard anyone else mention this.

[marktmurphy]

Plus, he has no mole!

Yes; I always wonder if that disappeared because, post-facelift, it had travelled across his cheek!

I sort of hope there was no medical reason otherwise that might look a bit callous

[DamnCoffee]

Maybe, it became cancerous and it had to be removed. It is a possibility if he didn't have surgery.

[Mr. Blofeld]

It really does look like he had a facelift, probably very soon after Octopussy, as well; it's horribly obvious, as no man could go from sagging-jowled to mummified corpse in just under a year!

[Blonde Bond]

as no man could go from sagging-jowled to mummified corpse in just under a year!

Haha! I see your point. But is it sharp enough?

(I'm going to watch AVTAK in a matter of minutes and I'll watch carefully if his mole has disappeared or moved from one place to another)

[TheSaint]

Maybe, it became cancerous and it had to be removed. It is a possibility if he didn't have surgery.

Exactly. He went for an examination as the mole had gotten larger so, even though it wasn't cancerous, it was removed.

[DamnCoffee]

as no man could go from sagging-jowled to mummified corpse in just under a year!

Haha! I see your point. But is it sharp enough?

(I'm going to watch AVTAK in a matter of minutes and I'll watch carefully if his mole has disappeared or moved from one place to another)

Well actually, he wouldn't have had a mole at all if he disclosed the fact that Miss Frost and Moon were on the fencing team together.

[Royal Dalton]

He didn't have a facelift. It's just that everything else dropped.

[Blonde Bond]

Maybe, it became cancerous and it had to be removed. It is a possibility if he didn't have surgery.

Exactly. He went for an examination as the mole had gotten larger so, even though it wasn't cancerous, it was removed.

I wonder if the "mole" joke from Austin Powers 3 was a reference to Roger Moore's famous mole. I mean partly made as reference to him...

[Mr_Wint]

As I understand it, Moore just removed the mole... and then the rumours about a facelift started.

[DamnCoffee]

Maybe, it became cancerous and it had to be removed. It is a possibility if he didn't have surgery.

Exactly. He went for an examination as the mole had gotten larger so, even though it wasn't cancerous, it was removed.

I wonder if the "mole" joke from Austin Powers 3 was a reference to Roger Moore's famous mole. I mean partly made as reference to him...

Probably. Almost anything from Austin Powers is a reference to Bond, plus the mole did have the mole where the mole of Roger Moore was. Try saying that when you're drunk.

[Royal Dalton]

Yeah, I think he just looks different because he'd lost some weight and his hair was a lighter colour than it was in Octopussy.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Yeah, I think he just looks different because he'd lost some weight and his hair was a lighter colour than it was in Octopussy.

No, it's not that; his face is definitely tighter in certain places in AVTAK. Before, in certain lights, Roger looked either older or younger than his age; for instance, one can see his liver spots as he snogs by the fireplace in TSWLM, when most generally feel he looked young, and in some shots of the rickshaw in Octopussy, he looks much younger, when most say in this film he looks far too old; in AVTAK, however, his face is unnaturally tight and shiny all over, and his sagging jowls and cheekbones are suspiciously missing, replaced by pulled-back, taut skin.

[Mr_Wint]

Yeah, I think he just looks different because he'd lost some weight and his hair was a lighter colour than it was in Octopussy.

No, it's not that; his face is definitely tighter in certain places in AVTAK. Before, in certain lights, Roger looked either older or younger than his age; for instance, one can see his liver spots as he snogs by the fireplace in TSWLM, when most generally feel he looked young, and in some shots of the rickshaw in Octopussy, he looks much younger, when most say in this film he looks far too old; in AVTAK, however, his face is unnaturally tight and shiny all over, and his sagging jowls and cheekbones are suspiciously missing, replaced by pulled-back, taut skin.

I disagree with you, and I have studied him in both OP and AVTAK in detail. He looks a little bit different in some scenes but it is far from "obvious" that he had a facelift.

[marktmurphy]

Maybe, it became cancerous and it had to be removed. It is a possibility if he didn't have surgery.

Exactly. He went for an examination as the mole had gotten larger so, even though it wasn't cancerous, it was removed.

Although he would say that, wouldn't he...

[Blonde Bond]

So after just watching 'AVTAK' again, I have to say that some parts of his face did look a bit 'tight'. Seems like most of his loose skin is located in the neck, just under his chin. But what do I know. Maybe it was just the "weight loss" that caused his makeover.

[MarkA]

I disagree with you, and I have studied him in both OP and AVTAK in detail. He looks a little bit different in some scenes but it is far from "obvious" that he had a facelift.

I just think you are in denial, it is that startled look he has throughout AVTAK. Classic face-lift look.

[manfromjapan]

Harkin, I thought that mole joke was hilarious. it's just made my day.

[Blonde Bond]

I disagree with you, and I have studied him in both OP and AVTAK in detail. He looks a little bit different in some scenes but it is far from "obvious" that he had a facelift.

I just think you are in denial, it is that startled look he has throughout AVTAK. Classic face-lift look.

Agree. It looked like he was stuck with that look. No much raising your eyebrow ála Moore, when you can barely move your face

[Mr. Blofeld]

I disagree with you, and I have studied him in both OP and AVTAK in detail. He looks a little bit different in some scenes but it is far from "obvious" that he had a facelift.

I just think you are in denial, it is that startled look he has throughout AVTAK. Classic face-lift look.

Agree. It looked like he was stuck with that look. No much raising your eyebrow ála Moore, when you can barely move your face

Yes; also, if he had lost even more weight than he had in Octopussy, his appearance would have been rather reminicent of Fat Bastard's at the end of Goldmember...

[dee-bee-five]

There is a world of difference between a full face-lift and cosmetic enhancement. I use L'Oreal's men's range every day - which is in a way cosmetic work - and make no apologies for so doing because it makes my skin look/feel better.

It would be absurd to suggest that Roger Moore's look didn't change between Octopussy and A View To A Kill. Part of it was undeniably weight loss and part of it was because he was wearing contacts to correct his sight. Whether it was down to anything else, I don't know and wouldn't like to speculate. But I do recall his joking in an interview about cosmetic surgery at the time, saying if he had had anything done, he'd've sued the plastic surgeon for leaving the bags under his eyes. And having met Roger Moore professionally on a handful of occasions in his post-Bond career, most recently about five years ago, I've seen no evidence in the flesh of anything other than his being blessed with fabulous skin and the ability to mature gracefully unaided.

[David_M]

The thing about plastic surgery is that it can't really be undone. It just makes you look weird and from there you either keep looking weird or you get more work done and look even weirder. You can't get a facelift done for one film and then "turn it off."

While I'll grant you Roger's appearance was "off" in AVTAK, he looked much more himself (and better) in the later "Happy Anniversary 007" special, in interviews at the time AVTAK was released and as a commentator for the wedding of Prince Andrew and Fergie. Today he looks his age, but naturally so, with none of the weird artificiality you see in old people who've had work done (like the frozen Robert Redford or the terrifying Mary Tyler Moore). People who get a face lift are only hurting themselves in the long run, as they look neither young nor naturally aged. They just look like freaks.

What we know is that Roger had the mole removed for health reasons, and that he lost weight suddenly due to illness, which can make you look gaunt and possibly "baggy". My hypothesis is that the make-up folks on AVTAK may have tried to compensate by taping back Roger's face, which I know can be done though I'm not sure how.

Anyway, I don't buy that he had a facelift and if he did he should get his money back as it only lasted a few months. I'm just sorry they couldn't delay filming on AVTAK until he was fully recovered. In some scenes, he looks great.

[Safari Suit]

I have to say, to the extent I feel he looked a little "off" in AVTAK (which, personally, wasn't far), he also looked a little off in Bed and Breakfast and Bullseye!.

[Daddy Bond]

Can anyone think of an example of a movie star who had a REALLY successful facelife? I can't. I wish people would just let themselves age naturally. To me, especially among women, those who have had NO plastic surgery on their face look best. Take Lynda Carter (of Wonder Woman fame). She looks great at 50+ and has definitely not had any plastic surgery.

When a man or woman's face looks tight and their nose looks like wax it really creeps me out.

[Safari Suit]

Charles Bronson's facelift didn't ruin him, not for me anyway.

[dee-bee-five]

Charles Bronson's facelift didn't ruin him, not for me anyway.

But then, to be fair, he wasn't exactly a beauty before it, was he?

[Mr. Blofeld]

The thing about plastic surgery is that it can't really be undone. It just makes you look weird and from there you either keep looking weird or you get more work done and look even weirder. You can't get a facelift done for one film and then "turn it off."

While I'll grant you Roger's appearance was "off" in AVTAK, he looked much more himself (and better) in the later "Happy Anniversary 007" special, in interviews at the time AVTAK was released and as a commentator for the wedding of Prince Andrew and Fergie. Today he looks his age, but naturally so, with none of the weird artificiality you see in old people who've had work done (like the frozen Robert Redford or the terrifying Mary Tyler Moore). People who get a face lift are only hurting themselves in the long run, as they look neither young nor naturally aged. They just look like freaks.

What we know is that Roger had the mole removed for health reasons, and that he lost weight suddenly due to illness, which can make you look gaunt and possibly "baggy". My hypothesis is that the make-up folks on AVTAK may have tried to compensate by taping back Roger's face, which I know can be done though I'm not sure how.

Anyway, I don't buy that he had a facelift and if he did he should get his money back as it only lasted a few months. I'm just sorry they couldn't delay filming on AVTAK until he was fully recovered. In some scenes, he looks great.

Well, have you seen Octopussy lately? It's only been now that Roger looks the age he does in that film; his face is only as baggy as it was in '83, but even now (if you look especially carefully, as when he gave that video intro for his new book), you can see tightness around the eyes and cheeks, and his eyebrows seem to be stuck in the "vaguely amused" position. I'm guessing he's aged into his facelift... which is especially worrying if one considers what he might look like today without it.