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[The Dove]

Another thought just occured to me about the snow scene.. It could take place in Austria after Bond kills White (according to the spoiler..) Bond and M could have their confrontation outside a hotel or someplace in the city.

It couldn't happen in Austria. First, because in that specific scene, we see Russian letters (cyrillic) in the background. And we also know Bond's confrontation with Yusef occurs in Moscow.

This is all crap, guys. I wouldn't make too much of it.

Well if it turns out that I was wrong about this, I'll gladly admit it.. but I'm not quite ready to say so just yet..Too many things about this guys post just make sense with what we see in the trailer and it does fit with the story..at least to me. By the way, I must have missed the post somewhere that confirms that Bond's encouter with Yousef occurs in Moscow.. do you have a link to it or can you point me in the right direction Harmsway? Thanks..

[Mister E]

Too many things about this guys post just make sense with what we see in the trailer and it does fit with the story..at least to me.

Taking the information that's already out there and the trailer, you can draw the conclusions that sound plausiable.

[Harmsway]

Well if it turns out that I was wrong about this, I'll gladly admit it.. but I'm not quite ready to say so just yet..Too many things about this guys post just make sense with what we see in the trailer and it does fit with the story..at least to me.

But the errors he makes elsewhere condemn him. This doesn't match up with what we do know about the film in any respect, especially in regards to Fields' death. I even believe Forster stated we wouldn't see flashbacks of Vesper in the film itself, though she would be mentioned, something boldly contradicted here.

Nevermind that there's no way the final shot of the movie is that trailer moment with Bond raising his gun. First off, do you really think Forster's going to mimic CASINO ROYALE's finale? Nah. And second, we know the Moscow scenes come *after* the desert material.

There's nothing about this that's particularly convincing. I could have made a hell of a lot more convincing plot synopsis and slapped it up on IMDB, no problem.

By the way, I must have missed the post somewhere that confirms that Bond's encouter with Yousef occurs in Moscow.. do you have a link to it or can you point me in the right direction Harmsway? Thanks..

It's from Vauxhall. And Vauxhall has his source in order, believe me.

[The Dove]

Ahh thanks.. Sorry I didn't want to come across as doubting anybody here.. I guess I was just a little too over-excited! LOL Well still though it was exciting sounding..

[Marketto007]

I believe in this Spoilers. Too bad I've read them.

xxx

[DamnCoffee]

I even believe Forster stated we wouldn't see flashbacks of Vesper in the film itself, though she would be mentioned, something boldly contradicted here.

Ah, but films change over the course of the editing process. Who says Vesper will not appear in flashback form? Forster has a creative vision, I could imagine him doing something like this. Just like Hunt did with the W.H.A.T.T.I.T.W montage in On Her Majesty

[Harmsway]

Ah, but films change over the course of the editing process. Who says Vesper will not appear in flashback form? Forster has a creative vision, I could imagine him doing something like this. Just like Hunt did with the W.H.A.T.T.I.T.W montage in On Her Majesty�s Secret Service.

The other errors are still enough to damn these "spoilers." And from IMDB, no less.

[DamnCoffee]

Spoiler

- M sends a Swat team after Bond which he has 30 seconds to escape. Bond jumps from one building to another from the roof (The building’s arent that far apart)

Wasn't this shot in the trailer?

[Harmsway]

Wasn't this shot in the trailer?

It was. Which is where the guy got the idea from.

[The Dove]

Oh so you are saying the guy on IMDB made up his story based on the trailer and stuff we already know? ahh..

[DamnCoffee]

Exactly! I just dont know why people cant belive it

I would understand if the spoilers weren't believable and were OTT, but come on?

[Shrublands]

This is someone with an above average knowledge of the movie, has followed the making of. But they have no real inside information and have certainly not seen an assembly edit or rough-cut.
They know a few things from avidly watching the internet and are attempting to join the dots, that’s it.
There are at least 2 things in there that I know to be false.

[DamnCoffee]

There are at least 2 things in there that I know to be false.

Spill!

[Harmsway]

Oh so you are saying the guy on IMDB made up his story based on the trailer and stuff we already know? ahh..

Yeah, it happens all the time. Especially on IMDB.

Exactly! I just dont know why people cant belive it

Because it has false information that clearly clashes with what we know to be true.

End of story. I don't know what else you need, but this chap is clearly making crap up.

[Invincible1958]

This is someone with an above average knowledge of the movie, has followed the making of. But they have no real inside information and have certainly not seen an assembly edit or rough-cut.
They know a few things from avidly watching the internet and are attempting to join the dots, that’s it.

Okay. Then how can he know about a scene like this, when he just has the same information from the internet that we have?

Spoiler

- Bond orders a Martini, Stirred not Shaken... he realises he doesn't like it and orders one Shaken Not Stirred, Bond and Fields have a laugh about it and he takes her back to his hotel room. (One of the more humourus parts of the movie)

[DamnCoffee]

That looks like a VERY good scene.

[Invincible1958]

Hey, Just came across this on IMDb, It's from a guy who has claimed to see a rough cut of the film and works for Eon...

Spoiler

- Bond comprimises his position at the Tosca as he impales Mr White (This is where the whole… “I thought I could trust you” thing comes from in the trailer)

What does 'to impale' mean?

I was an extra in the Tosca-scenes in austria:

Spoiler

Bond throws some kind of security guard from the roof of the Festspielhaus, but I don't think that he does anything to Mr. White. Mr. White is just sitting in the audience and speaks to some other Quantum member while Bond is passing by: "Well, Tosca isn't for everyone."

[JackWade]

Sounds to me like this guy is just making stuff up based on what he saw in the trailer.

This was the red flag for me, and correct me if I misunderstood this scene (potentially huge spoiler here):

Spoiler

The guy claims that Greene's fate is ambiguous or something. Didn't an article written a few months ago say that Greene died via an axe wound?

[DamnCoffee]

What does 'to impale' mean?

Impalement is a term that refers to situations in which objects are driven through the body, causing deep stabbing wounds. It can refer either to accidental events or to deliberate wounding used as a method of torture or execution. A further use of the term is found in stage magic, where illusions such as Impaled simulate accidental or deliberate impalement.

Sounds to me like this guy is just making stuff up based on what he saw in the trailer.

This was the red flag for me, and correct me if I misunderstood this scene (potentially huge spoiler here):

Spoiler

The guy claims that Greene's fate is ambiguous or something. Didn't an article written a few months ago say that Greene died via an axe wound?

Hmmm. I dont remember reading that.

[Harmsway]

Okay. Then how can he know about a scene like this, when he just has the same information from the internet that we have?

Spoiler

- Bond orders a Martini, Stirred not Shaken... he realises he doesn't like it and orders one Shaken Not Stirred, Bond and Fields have a laugh about it and he takes her back to his hotel room. (One of the more humourus parts of the movie)

He made it up.

I was an extra in the Tosca-scenes in austria:

Spoiler

Bond throws some kind of security guard from the roof of the Festspielhaus, but I don't think that he does anything to Mr. White. Mr. White is just sitting in the audience and speaks to some other Quantum member while Bond is passing by: "Well, Tosca isn't for everyone."

Yet another hole with the information provided this supposed "insider." I can't believe we're still discussing whether it's legitimate or not. It's clearly NOT.

[DamnCoffee]

They could have shot different versions of the scene, it's plausable... We dont know much anyway so you cant rule it out. It is a possibility.

[Mister E]

They could have shot different versions of the scene, it's plausable... We dont know much anyway so you cant rule it out. It is a possibility.

I got some genuine info this guy missed:

Spoiler

White gives a hint to Bond of who is behind it all in private. White says "I would look at the people that tell me who I can trust".

Edited by Mister E, 03 July 2008 - 10:42 PM.

[Royal Dalton]

Sounds to me like this guy is just making stuff up based on what he saw in the trailer.

This was the red flag for me, and correct me if I misunderstood this scene (potentially huge spoiler here):

Spoiler

The guy claims that Greene's fate is ambiguous or something. Didn't an article written a few months ago say that Greene died via an axe wound?

Hmmm. I dont remember reading that.

http://debrief.comma...p...=46159&st=0

[Harmsway]

They could have shot different versions of the scene, it's plausable... We dont know much anyway so you cant rule it out. It is a possibility.

I don't get why you're making excuses for what is clearly nonsense. It doesn't match up with what we do know about the film (making some huge errors), it reads like fan-made crap, and comes from IMDB. All three very big strikes against it.

[Invincible1958]

Last week Forster did an interview with MSN. And he said this:

"We have four weeks to cut the film, then we have a preview."

http://commanderbond.net/article/5276

This means, that the first internal preview of the film only will take place in 3 weeks. So no way this imdb-guy could have seen a rough cut of the movie.

[Harmsway]

This means, that the first internal preview of the film only will take place in 3 weeks. So no way this imdb-guy could have seen a rough cut of the movie.

Good point.

Game over, folks. It's fake.

[Mister E]

This thread needs a lockin'.

[Captain Tightpants]

There is no evidence to suggest that this is true. But at the same time... there is no evidence to suggest that it is false. So dont get carried away because it might be fake.

As was pointed out on the IMdB boards - yes, I looked it up - there's a few small errors in it:

Spoiler

Such as Medrano being th one responsible for the deaths of Camille's family, not Greene.

Now that may only be a small detail, but it strikes me a a pretty big plot point.

Spoiler

We've also seen Medrano hanging out at the residencia in the B-roll footage from Chile ... unless there's several scenes at the observatory (and not all of them featuring Bond), Medrano can't die during the boat chase. It strikes me that the boat chase takes place relatively early in the film, somewhere around Haiti, but Medrano is a key player in Quantum's plans. If he dies early on, they can't fulfil their objectives because they'd have no-one to put in power in Bolivia.

Minor details, perhaps, but it's the small things that unravel larger ones. I have no idea how long it takes to edit a film, but with filming wrapping up a week or three ago, it seems very early to have a rough cut already ...

[Vauxhall]

End of story. I don't know what else you need, but this chap is clearly making crap up.

Exactly! Cheers, Harmsway. I'm surprised that this topic is still going strong.

Thanks to Captain Tightpants for providing some details of some of the problems with this so-called "review" also.

[Captain Tightpants]

We aim to please.