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[DamnCoffee]

Bond kills Mr. White?

"I thought I could trust you" - M giving Bond orders to team up with White at the Tosca performance to get Greene?

"You said you werent Motivated by Revenge!" - White is closest that Bond's got about finding out about Vesper's betrayal?

"I'm Motivated by my duty!" - Bond believes It's his duty to get revenge for Vespers death?

"You're So full of Inconsolable Rage, that you dont care who you hurt!" - Bond kills White over his rage towards him about Vesper?

"You can't tell your friends for your enemies... It's time to go!" - White switching sides and becoming a Double Agent?

Or...

Bond kills Mathis?

"I thought I could trust you" - M giving Bond orders to team up with Mathis? Bond is still very angry?

"You said you werent Motivated by Revenge!" - Bond is really angry with Mathis as he belives it was him who told Le-Chiffre?

"I'm Motivated by my duty!" - Bond believes It's his duty to get revenge for Vespers death?

"You're So full of Inconsolable Rage, that you dont care who you hurt!" - Bond does something that endangers Mathis' life? And it Kills him?


"You can't tell your friends for your enemies... It's time to go!" - Mathis was on the right side all along?

[Harmsway]

I think neither, actually.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

The 'When You don't know your friends' bit does strike me that MI6 either knows for sure Mathis is in the clear or that MI6 merely thinks Mathis is innocent and that Bond is wrong.

I'm open to see what it all means in November!

[The Dove]

Oh boy looks like BrozzaBond is back using a different name.. Someone please get rid of this idiot!!

[ImTheMoneypenny]

Oh boy looks like BrozzaBond is back using a different name.. Someone please get rid of this idiot!!

I reported a post already. Remember what JIM said 'don't feed the troll'.

[Agent 76]

Oh boy looks like BrozzaBond is back using a different name.. Someone please get rid of this idiot!!

I reported a post already. Remember what JIM said 'don't feed the troll'.

who we're gonna call ? The TrollBusters

[Bondian]

Looks like he's been genitalized.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

Oh boy looks like BrozzaBond is back using a different name.. Someone please get rid of this idiot!!

I reported a post already. Remember what JIM said 'don't feed the troll'.

who we're gonna call ? The TrollBusters

And they do quick work!

[The Dove]

LOL! Great work mods!!

[Agent 76]

MooMoo was taken out of the equasion.

[Bondian]

MooMoo was taken out of the equasion.

"He was cut hoof...permanently"

[DamnCoffee]

Ugh... was the SOB back again!?


Good that he's been sorted out. Good job Mods.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

Ugh... was the SOB back again!?


Good that he's been sorted out.

Yep, and was sorted very quickly too!

[Bondian]

Ugh... was the SOB back again!?


Good that he's been sorted out.

I reckon.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Wait... who?

[Vauxhall]

In reference to the original question, I am wondering whether Slate is an MI6 agent sent to track down Bond in Haiti who is actually a member of Quantum. Bond kills him, but M miscontrues this as killing one of his colleagues needlessly. Something like that anyway.

[Skudor]

This line:
"You can't tell your friends from your enemies... It's time to go!"

is probably something to do with Mathis. Bond still doesn't trust him, but M does.

A lot of the M lines may actually be a smokescreen - as has been speculated already, M might be sending Bond off under the radar, outside of MI6 due to a mole.

[tdalton]

This line:
"You can't tell your friends from your enemies... It's time to go!"

is probably something to do with Mathis. Bond still doesn't trust him, but M does.

A lot of the M lines may actually be a smokescreen - as has been speculated already, M might be sending Bond off under the radar, outside of MI6 due to a mole.

Hopefully all of this is a smokescreen. As much as I like Bond to be serious and as much as I'd like to see a good revenge film (which this will no doubt be), the addition of the rogue element here will really make this film feel like a semi-remake of LTK.

Actually, the probable box office success of QUANTUM should prove to be interesting in light of the similarities between it and LTK, which underperformed. Both took place in fairly close together geographic regions (I'm assuming that since Mexico City as used for Isthmus City that they were meaning for it to be in either Mexico or somewhere in the northern part of South America), both feature Bond going rogue for revenge, and both feature a very serious and harder-edged Bond in their second outing in the role. Perhaps this shows just how far ahead of his time Timothy Dalton and his films were.

[tdalton]

"Perhaps this shows just how far ahead of his time Timothy Dalton and his films were." I couldn't agree more; both Dalton movies have aged in a way that a Brosnan movie simply can't. However, I do not think QOS will deal as much with the revenge theme as LTK did. I am sure it will come up from time to time, but this time, Bond really probably cannot trust MI6 due to its infiltrtaion by Quantum and the political patronage of Dominic Greene.

Agreed. I don't think that this is going to be a film that is solely about revenge, which LTK was, but in thinking about the vast number of similarities between the two films (locations, revenge theme, serious Bond), it's interesting just how many there are. Also, the theme of trust plays prevalently in both as well. LTK features a trustworthy person in Felix's life turning against him (Killifer) as well as Bond destroying Sanchez's plans by gaining his trust and turning him against his own people, whereas QUANTUM appears to be a film that has the theme of trust woven into a great deal of its storyline as well.

Edited by tdalton, 02 July 2008 - 10:29 AM.

[tdalton]

yep, I also think that trust will be central for QOS; and I love the idea of replacing the 1980's drug tycoon with the Blairite type of evil business-man of the new century. I imagine Greene as a well-connected, charming and impressive personality involved in manifold charity activities and at the same time on the wrong side. The only thing I hope to be improved over LTK is the use of locations. This is the only thing I never totally liked about it (and Dalton's haircut in the Casino scene...). On a sidenote, it is amazing how much love can be found for this amazing movie, I hadn't expected that.

You're definitely right on the fact that the locations in LTK were misused. It would have been great if they had just used real settings for the parts of the film that were set in Isthmus City, as that would have added to the realistic feel of everything. It looks as though QUANTUM OF SOLACE has corrected that mistake. I'm just kind of surprised that, in light of the fact that LTK underperformed at the box office, that EON is willing to take Craig's second film down a very similar path to the one that they took Dalton down in LTK, right down to the similarities in locations, theme, etc. Surely QUANTUM will be far more successful than LTK was, but I still find it interesting, as though they're trying to prove that they got it right the first time around with LTK, but that they were just a little ahead of the times when they made the film.

[Captain Tightpants]

"Perhaps this shows just how far ahead of his time Timothy Dalton and his films were." I couldn't agree more; both Dalton movies have aged in a way that a Brosnan movie simply can't. However, I do not think QOS will deal as much with the revenge theme as LTK did. I am sure it will come up from time to time, but this time, Bond really probably cannot trust MI6 due to its infiltrtaion by Quantum and the political patronage of Dominic Greene.

Agreed. I don't think that this is going to be a film that is solely about revenge, which LTK was, but in thinking about the vast number of similarities between the two films (locations, revenge theme, serious Bond), it's interesting just how many there are. Also, the theme of trust plays prevalently in both as well. LTK features a trustworthy person in Felix's life turning against him (Killifer) as well as Bond destroying Sanchez's plans by gaining his trust and turning him against his own people, whereas QUANTUM appears to be a film that has the theme of trust woven into a great deal of its storyline as well.

I think that while revenge is a major theme of the film, it's only half-way there. Going by the exchange between Bond and M in the trailer, it's less about revenge and more about the relationship between personal feelings and duty. Bond wants revenge, but he's also claiming to be "motiveated by duty". While they may run parallel to each other to begin with, where Bond's actions fulfil both his duty and his desire for vengeance, you can bet there's going to be a point where they come into conflict with one another and Bond will have to choose which one he will follow.