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[bleary_25]

I noticed specific references to most of Fleming's books - character mentions or references to other missions, but I didn't see anything specifically for Doctor No, Diamonds are Forever, Thunderball, Spy Who Loved Me or the short story collections. Did I miss them? Or am I forgetting something?

I know all these references were a bit much for some people - I liked a lot of them, but it's not something Fleming really did so it stands out a bit more. But I wouldn't be surprised if he did put in a nod to all of Fleming's books.

[Single-O-Seven]

There is a reference to the short story "Risico." During the briefing with M, Bond mentions Kristatos, the protaganist of that piece.

[bleary_25]

He does, too! Cheers.

[Andrew]

I'm on chapter thirteen and I've caught all of the references so far, as far as I know. Would anyone dare list them all?

Also, there was a homage to RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK that I found in one chapter. I'm not sure if it was intentional or not but there was a scene that seemed to be lifted directly out of that film. Has anyone else caught it?

[bleary_25]

Casino Royale - Le Chiffre is mentioned
Live and Let Die - shark attack on Felix is mentioned
Moonraker - Drax mentioned
Diamonds are Forever - ???
From Russia with Love - Tatiana and SMERSH dossier on Bond referenced
Dr No - ???
Goldfinger - Auric Goldfinger mentioned; plane depressurising rip-off
For Your Eyes Only - Kristatos (from Risico) mentioned
Thunderball - ???
Spy Who Loved Me - ???
OHMSS - Tracy mentioned
You Only Live Twice - Japan, the Garden of Death
Man with the Golden Gun - Scaramanga and the brainwashing referenced
Octopussy and the Living Daylights - ???

[neversaynever]

Isn't 'The Paradise Club' (chapter 8) also a reference to Young Bond, specifically to Double or Die? "For Bond, the name stirred the faint memory of an exciting juvenile visit to the gaming tables". (P. 104). That would be the gaming tables of the Paradice (sic) Club, chapters 10 and 11 of Double or Die.

If so, and if this means Faulks also references Higson, and Young Bond, then how self-referential this is all getting!!!

I'm yet to finish DMC, but I'll be on the lookout for any other Higson references.

[Simon]

Not sure how 'into' this thing one should go. Afterall, some of the listed 'references' in DAD were just plain laughable in this manic desire to have everything referenced.

However, there was a Dr Julius No, which is similar to the chap in DMC. (Still not read it, should this be discounted for any other obvious reasons)

[Scrambled Eggs]

The Ekranopants thingy being mistaken for a monster is a reference/lift from Dr No.

[David Schofield]

Isn't 'The Paradise Club' (chapter 8) also a reference to Young Bond, specifically to Double or Die? "For Bond, the name stirred the faint memory of an exciting juvenile visit to the gaming tables". (P. 104). That would be the gaming tables of the Paradice (sic) Club, chapters 10 and 11 of Double or Die.

If so, and if this means Faulks also references Higson, and Young Bond, then how self-referential this is all getting!!!

I'm yet to finish DMC, but I'll be on the lookout for any other Higson references.

That's how I'd read it.

At least means Faulks - or his proof-reader - has read a Higson book.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Isn't 'The Paradise Club' (chapter 8) also a reference to Young Bond, specifically to Double or Die? "For Bond, the name stirred the faint memory of an exciting juvenile visit to the gaming tables". (P. 104). That would be the gaming tables of the Paradice (sic) Club, chapters 10 and 11 of Double or Die.

If so, and if this means Faulks also references Higson, and Young Bond, then how self-referential this is all getting!!!

I'm yet to finish DMC, but I'll be on the lookout for any other Higson references.

That's how I'd read it.

At least means Faulks - or his proof-reader - has read a Higson book.

And/or has seen Casino Royale.

[K1Bond007]

Isn't 'The Paradise Club' (chapter 8) also a reference to Young Bond, specifically to Double or Die? "For Bond, the name stirred the faint memory of an exciting juvenile visit to the gaming tables". (P. 104). That would be the gaming tables of the Paradice (sic) Club, chapters 10 and 11 of Double or Die.

Not a sic. There's a casino near me called "Paradice".

I think it's all just coincidence.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Isn't 'The Paradise Club' (chapter 8) also a reference to Young Bond, specifically to Double or Die? "For Bond, the name stirred the faint memory of an exciting juvenile visit to the gaming tables". (P. 104). That would be the gaming tables of the Paradice (sic) Club, chapters 10 and 11 of Double or Die.

Not a sic. There's a casino near me called "Paradice".

I think it's all just coincidence.

That's as may be, but it's a happy one, nonetheless...

[neversaynever]

Isn't 'The Paradise Club' (chapter 8) also a reference to Young Bond, specifically to Double or Die? "For Bond, the name stirred the faint memory of an exciting juvenile visit to the gaming tables". (P. 104). That would be the gaming tables of the Paradice (sic) Club, chapters 10 and 11 of Double or Die.

If so, and if this means Faulks also references Higson, and Young Bond, then how self-referential this is all getting!!!

I'm yet to finish DMC, but I'll be on the lookout for any other Higson references.

That's how I'd read it.

At least means Faulks - or his proof-reader - has read a Higson book.

And/or has seen Casino Royale.

I don't know what you mean by this - what does Casino Royale the movie have to do with The Paradise/Paradice Club? I can't remember any such reference...? Besides which, I think the reference in DMC to "a juvenile visit to the gaming tables" is a pretty clear Young Bond reference.

Isn't 'The Paradise Club' (chapter 8) also a reference to Young Bond, specifically to Double or Die? "For Bond, the name stirred the faint memory of an exciting juvenile visit to the gaming tables". (P. 104). That would be the gaming tables of the Paradice (sic) Club, chapters 10 and 11 of Double or Die.

Not a sic. There's a casino near me called "Paradice".

I think it's all just coincidence.

Well it still is a "a sic", as you put it, because I was noting that the club in Double or Die is called "Paradice", not "Paradise" - by putting 'sic' I wasn't suggesting that it was a spelling mistake in Double or Die (I do understand the ParaDICE pun - hoho, haha), just that that is the way the text appeared in the original.

Edited by neversaynever, 31 May 2008 - 10:31 AM.

[zencat]

Isn't 'The Paradise Club' (chapter 8) also a reference to Young Bond, specifically to Double or Die? "For Bond, the name stirred the faint memory of an exciting juvenile visit to the gaming tables". (P. 104). That would be the gaming tables of the Paradice (sic) Club, chapters 10 and 11 of Double or Die.

Not a sic. There's a casino near me called "Paradice".

I think it's all just coincidence.

That's as may be, but it's a happy one, nonetheless...

Oh, I think this is way too big a coincidence to be a coincidence.

[sharpshooter]

Isn't 'The Paradise Club' (chapter 8) also a reference to Young Bond, specifically to Double or Die? "For Bond, the name stirred the faint memory of an exciting juvenile visit to the gaming tables". (P. 104). That would be the gaming tables of the Paradice (sic) Club, chapters 10 and 11 of Double or Die.

Not a sic. There's a casino near me called "Paradice".

I think it's all just coincidence.

That's as may be, but it's a happy one, nonetheless...

Oh, I think this is way too big a coincidence to be a coincidence.

I agree. A nice touch by Faulks.

[Trident]

Isn't 'The Paradise Club' (chapter 8) also a reference to Young Bond, specifically to Double or Die? "For Bond, the name stirred the faint memory of an exciting juvenile visit to the gaming tables". (P. 104). That would be the gaming tables of the Paradice (sic) Club, chapters 10 and 11 of Double or Die.

If so, and if this means Faulks also references Higson, and Young Bond, then how self-referential this is all getting!!!

I'm yet to finish DMC, but I'll be on the lookout for any other Higson references.

That's how I'd read it.

At least means Faulks - or his proof-reader - has read a Higson book.

And/or has seen Casino Royale.

I don't know what you mean by this - what does Casino Royale the movie have to do with The Paradise/Paradice Club? I can't remember any such reference...? Besides which, I think the reference in DMC to "a juvenile visit to the gaming tables" is a pretty clear Young Bond reference.

Isn't 'The Paradise Club' (chapter 8) also a reference to Young Bond, specifically to Double or Die? "For Bond, the name stirred the faint memory of an exciting juvenile visit to the gaming tables". (P. 104). That would be the gaming tables of the Paradice (sic) Club, chapters 10 and 11 of Double or Die.

Not a sic. There's a casino near me called "Paradice".

I think it's all just coincidence.

Well it still is a "a sic", as you put it, because I was noting that the club in Double or Die is called "Paradice", not "Paradise" - by putting 'sic' I wasn't suggesting that it was a spelling mistake in Double or Die (I do understand the ParaDICE pun - hoho, haha), just that that is the way the text appeared in the original.

Well, there is not just a 'Paradice Club' but also Gorner's remark to Bond about 'English "fair play"' and this being "not cricket". (Chapter 5; page 68)

In 'Double Or Die' Charnage's remark, when drowning Bond in gin, reads:

'What's the matter?' said Charnage. 'Does this offend your sense of fair play? Are you upset that it's not quite cricket?' (Chapter 17; page 236)

Really far too much of a coincidence IMO, and I'm quite sure it's meant as an in-joke.

[Mr. Blofeld]

The motorcycle chase is a blatant ripoff of Thunderball 's.

[BlackFire]

Casino Royale - Le Chiffre is mentioned
Live and Let Die - shark attack on Felix is mentioned
Moonraker - Drax mentioned
Diamonds are Forever - ???
From Russia with Love - Tatiana and SMERSH dossier on Bond referenced
Dr No - ???
Goldfinger - Auric Goldfinger mentioned; plane depressurising rip-off
For Your Eyes Only - Kristatos (from Risico) mentioned
Thunderball - ???
Spy Who Loved Me - ???
OHMSS - Tracy mentioned
You Only Live Twice - Japan, the Garden of Death
Man with the Golden Gun - Scaramanga and the brainwashing referenced
Octopussy and the Living Daylights - ???

Diamonds are Forever - When M tells Bond that drugs may not be the same as Guns and Diamonds (?)

[Leiter]

I just finished reading 'Diamonds are Forever' and early on in the novel, the way Tiffany dresses is in a "Devil-may-care" style. Sorry, I don't have the book on me at the moment so I can't give you a page number.

[Jeff007]

Felix talks about how he was called back into the CIA for Bond mission in Thunderball.

[zencat]

Isn't 'The Paradise Club' (chapter 8) also a reference to Young Bond, specifically to Double or Die? "For Bond, the name stirred the faint memory of an exciting juvenile visit to the gaming tables". (P. 104). That would be the gaming tables of the Paradice (sic) Club, chapters 10 and 11 of Double or Die.

If so, and if this means Faulks also references Higson, and Young Bond, then how self-referential this is all getting!!!

I'm yet to finish DMC, but I'll be on the lookout for any other Higson references.

That's how I'd read it.

At least means Faulks - or his proof-reader - has read a Higson book.

And/or has seen Casino Royale.

I don't know what you mean by this - what does Casino Royale the movie have to do with The Paradise/Paradice Club? I can't remember any such reference...? Besides which, I think the reference in DMC to "a juvenile visit to the gaming tables" is a pretty clear Young Bond reference.

Isn't 'The Paradise Club' (chapter 8) also a reference to Young Bond, specifically to Double or Die? "For Bond, the name stirred the faint memory of an exciting juvenile visit to the gaming tables". (P. 104). That would be the gaming tables of the Paradice (sic) Club, chapters 10 and 11 of Double or Die.

Not a sic. There's a casino near me called "Paradice".

I think it's all just coincidence.

Well it still is a "a sic", as you put it, because I was noting that the club in Double or Die is called "Paradice", not "Paradise" - by putting 'sic' I wasn't suggesting that it was a spelling mistake in Double or Die (I do understand the ParaDICE pun - hoho, haha), just that that is the way the text appeared in the original.

Well, there is not just a 'Paradice Club' but also Gorner's remark to Bond about 'English "fair play"' and this being "not cricket". (Chapter 5; page 68)

In 'Double Or Die' Charnage's remark, when drowning Bond in gin, reads:

'What's the matter?' said Charnage. 'Does this offend your sense of fair play? Are you upset that it's not quite cricket?' (Chapter 17; page 236)

Really far too much of a coincidence IMO, and I'm quite sure it's meant as an in-joke.

Thinking about this thread, I asked Charlie about this in our new interview:

JC. In the new adult James Bond novel, Devil May Care, Sebastian Faulks says Bond visited a casino in his youth called the Paradice...

CH. Yes, I know. I was very touched by that. I didn’t know he was going to do that. I was reading the book and I said, “Oh, that was nice of him.”

JC. So there’s no way that’s a coincidence? There’s no way that’s not a specific a reference to Double or Die?

CH. No, no. He put that in as a sort of nod to the Young Bond books, which was very nice of him, I thought.

[DAN LIGHTER]

Nice touch by Mr Faulks. I for one loved his book.

[zencat]

Having recently re-read the book, I think it's possible DMC does reference every Fleming book. It would be interesting if someone went through it and made a list to see.

[Grubozaboyschikov]

THUNDERBALL: In Chapter 1 Rene Mathis passes through Haussmann boulevard.