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[DamnCoffee]

I absoloutly love the Character of Mathis... but do you think that the character will get killed off in Quantum of Solace, I dont have any solid proof of this. I just have a feeling that he's gonna be the Sacrifical Lamb in this one. I would love it to be true... it would be great to see. Bond and Mathis having a heart to heart and continuing their friendship, only for Mathis to be assasinated... leaving Bond devestated. I'm not saying this is gonna happen, I just have a feeling that it will.

[Byron]

I absoloutly love the Character of Mathis... but do you think that the character will get killed off in Quantum of Solace, I dont have any solid proof of this. I just have a feeling that he's gonna be the Sacrifical Lamb in this one. I would love it to be true... it would be great to see. Bond and Mathis having a heart to heart and continuing their friendship, only for Mathis to be assasinated... leaving Bond devestated. I'm not saying this is gonna happen, I just have a feeling that it will.

Too predictable, won't happen.

[00Twelve]

I seriously hope not. Mathis is one of the only Fleming characters that is only now getting a well-deserved adaptation, and it would smack of really unoriginal plotting, IMO, to have him killed off just as he and Bond got everything straight. It's happened too many times already with other characters, and hasn't felt remotely original or tragic since Saunders in TLD.

[Judo chop]

Whether he dies or not does not concern me. I do hope though that Mathis' intentions remain dubious to Bond throughout most, if not all, of QOS. It'd be great for Bond's character if he felt he needed to keep Mathis an arms length away.

Tension, baby. All about keepin' the tension.

[Dell Deaton]

While they certainly "could" kill him off as a lamb, I personally wouldn't find it convincing. Remember, as far as the last movie was concerned, he wasn't all that good a guy in the end, and Bond didn't show a lot of affection for him. So you'd have to turn that whole thing around in order to make the connect.

The general direction of the series now seems to be to build a new farm team, ditching the old Moneypenny and Q in favor of ... what? So he could be a part of that.

As for myself, I'd like to see the relationship evolve and get close and continue into future films. As in the books. Same w/ Leiter.

[dodge]

I repeat my conviction that he will be killed off Bondlearns that Mathis was one of the good guys...thus paving the road for future trust in allies. At the end of CR, per M herself, Bond was to trust no one. We need a bridge here, or we'll have an unpardonable gap between CraigBond and OtherBonds.

[Vauxhall]

I think it's pretty certain that Fields dies, so she would certainly be a sacrificial lamb. I doubt there would be another.

[bondrules]

Fields does have VERY little screen time

[DamnCoffee]

Have you got a source for that?

[bondrules]

No really, she only meets Bond in Bolivia, they go to the hotel, have sex, then she takes him to the fundraiser, and one more scene maybe...that

Edited by bondrules, 11 April 2008 - 07:07 PM.

[Bueno]

They can't kill off Mathis. Was just watching CR again and I enjoyed the character of Mathis and what Giancarlo Giannini did with the character. I want to see his interaction with Bond in more films so I hope he survives. I did hear some rumours that he might be offed in QoS or gets badly injured on another forum though.

[quote name='bondrules' post='859719' date='11 April 2008 - 19:54']No really, she only meets Bond in Bolivia, they go to the hotel, have sex, then she takes him to the fundraiser, and one more scene maybe...that

[bondrules]

Fields does have a minor role. Chances she is whacked are pretty high.

Camille is the full Bond girl, yet she doesn't bed him. She has tons of screentime...I like that.

Edited by bondrules, 11 April 2008 - 10:26 PM.

[Captain Tightpants]

I think Mathis did actually betray Bond in Casino Royale; by the end of the film, his motives and alleigances are the biggest question left unanswered. But I also think he was in a situation like Vesper: he was under duress when he betrayed Bond. It's likely that for all his failures at Miami, Quantum still felt there was a place in their organisation for Le Chiffre, and they were willing to take him back in. Mathis was blackmailed to get Le Chiffre to win; that way, the banker would return to Quantum with a case of no harm, no foul.

While it's possible that Vesper was acting alone, I seriously doubt she did anything until the end of the torture sequece. Her whereabouts are accounted for at every moment of the film, but there are entire sequences where Mathis is absent; namely the stairwell fight (after he says "Well, I think I shall go and report on the evening's ... frivolities", he is not seen again until the next morning).

As for how he fits into Qunatum of Solace, I think he's in interrogation in the Siena safehouse (he was taken by MI6 in Italy). The other traitor Micthell/Marshall kills Mr. White shortly after Bond brings him in, so all MI6 have is Mathis' contact with Quantum somewhere in Austria, and possibly the bank account in Haiti (though it's likely MI6 get that from the forensic evidence mentioned in the synopsis). While Bond is dispatched to Austria to find Mathis' contact (Mr. Slate, whom he kills and then assumes the identity of), Mathis goes to Haiti to look into the bank account as he's the only person who could realistically do it without arousing suspicion. Bond is made aware of Mathis' assignment, and so meets him in Haiti with Camille, or later in Bolivia with Fields (or Camille).

Favouring blackmail makes Quatum very dangerous because firstly, the number of people who control the group is kept to an absolute minimum. Secondly, blackmail ensures that the operatives you use won't stray; if they get a better offer, they could well turn on you, but their loyalty is assured when the lives of loved ones or their own reputation is at stake, and will consequently be lost as the price of failure or betrayal. And thirdly, blackmail was frequently used during the Cold War: operatives of the likes of the KGB, MI6 and the CIA would blackmail agents on the other side of the Iron Curtain into turning traitor (though I seriously doubt they held families and friends hostage because it would be too difficult to cross between East and West), as it was the easiest an most effective way of getting an inside man (or woman) to give you state secrets. After all, look what happened in Thunderball when SPECTRE number nine was caught embezzeling funds. If Blofeld had kept his family or his reputation hostage, number nine would not have defrauded the organisation.

[sharpshooter]

I have suspicions that Mathis may die. Remember those pictures with Bond holding a bloodied Mathis in his arms? Maybe he won't die, but instead he gets a beating, or possibily a torture ala NDOD.

[DamnCoffee]

Remember those pictures with Bond holding a bloodied Mathis in his arms?

Weren't them pics of someone entirely different, I thought it wasn't Mathis.

[sharpshooter]

I certainly looked like Mathis to me. I don't know where those pictures are, but if you look at them it is pretty self explanatory as to who it is.

[Vauxhall]

This one? I was always of the opinion that it's Mathis in the photo with Bond, but I know there was much disagreement about it. The clothes are similar to Mathis' outfit during the filming in Panama though.

[DamnCoffee]

Ah... I see what you mean now. Yes... it does rather look like Mathis.

[bondrules]

yeah that is mathis


Also makes me wonder how long each stayed where...

Craig, Kurylenko = 6 weeks in Panama (went to chile for 2 weeks)
Amalric = 5 weeks in Panama (last five weeks) (went to chile)
Giannini = 4 weeks in Panama (four middle weeks)(did not go to Chile)
Arterton = 2 weeks in Panama (first two weeks)(did not go to Chile)

Is this an indication of what happened to the characters?

***On a related note, Judi Dench will be seen in Bolivia....she was in Panama for a week, I don't know if many people know...she goes to the Grand Andean after Bond is wrecking havoc

Edited by bondrules, 13 April 2008 - 12:06 AM.

[Major Tallon]

If this is true, and bondrules seems to know what he's talking about, I can only say RIP Mathis, you were one of the series' best allies.

[DamnCoffee]

Bondrules.... how do you know all of this!

[bondrules]

Bondrules.... how do you know all of this!

Let's just say I do (and I am right)

Although I am not claiming Mathis will die...I am just throwing in some facts...you can make your own assessment

Also, why do you think that there aren't any officially released pics of Mathis? Makes me wonder....

Edited by bondrules, 13 April 2008 - 12:09 AM.

[Leon]

Fields will come to "a sticky end" as we already know. Mathis may die but he could also just get hospitalised.

Also, why do you think that there aren't any officially released pics of Mathis? Makes me wonder....

That's evidence of nothing. There are no official pics of Leiter, nor is he filming anything in Chile I presume. Does that mean he'll die too? If so this will be a film jam-packed full of deaths won't it.

[Vauxhall]

Yes, the fact there are no official pictures isn't precise reasoning. There have been plenty of official photos of Fields, Elvis and Greene, and we probably know how they all end up...

[Righty007]

I don't really care if Mathis dies, we've still got "dear old Uncle Felix."

[sharpshooter]

I don't really care if Mathis dies, we've still got "dear old Uncle Felix."

I care if he dies, he is an ally of old that would have been under used. I hope he just gets a terrible beating. If he does indeed die, have Bond seethe venom.

[Quantumofsolace007]

mathis getting a death in QOS hmm i wouldn't like that a savge beating like in Never Dream of Dieing well that would be cool.

Though wouldn't that make Quantum really an updated version of Union

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 14 April 2008 - 02:34 AM.

[bondrules]

Also, why do you think that there aren't any officially released pics of Mathis? Makes me wonder....

The main difference being that Mathis getting whacked would be more of shocker...Greene, Elvis, is expected.

[Leon]

I don't really care if Mathis dies, we've still got "dear old Uncle Felix."

I care if he dies, he is an ally of old that would have been under used. I hope he just gets a terrible beating. If he does indeed die, have Bond seethe venom.

But Bond has only just made aquantance with Leiter in the last film, so the old trusty friendship doesn't exist yet - basically Bond wouldn't be that bothered if he died. Leiter can't die, that would be a stupid and pointless bit of writing.

[BoogieBond]

I too would like Mathis to live on. He's was an interesting character in CR, and I would prefer him to be in a later Bond rather than killed off. I hope that he is merely "softened up" in Qos. I would like Felix to get more screen time in Qos though.