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[Skudor]

I always thought the Havelocks were killed to prevent them from retrieving the ATAC. The simple logic being that it was safer lost under water than in the Havelocks' hands, that once they had retrieved it there would be too much risk involved in getting the ATAC back.

[dee-bee-five]

Charming.

I'll take my leave of this thread.

But not immediately, obviously...

I was eight when For Your Eyes Only came out and claim no ownership of it by being there when it did.

I was at the premiere so it's mine, dammit! Do you hear?!? Mine!!!

[Jim]

I was eight when For Your Eyes Only came out and claim no ownership of it by being there when it did.

I was at the premiere so it's mine, dammit! Do you hear?!? Mine!!!

You're welcome to it, cupcake. Enjoy.

If that's possible.

[WC]

I always thought the Havelocks were killed to prevent them from retrieving the ATAC. The simple logic being that it was safer lost under water than in the Havelocks' hands, that once they had retrieved it there would be too much risk involved in getting the ATAC back.

I think that would make sense if Kristatos was more like the cult leader, Kazim in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. In that case, Kazim wanted the Holy Grail to remain lost and hidden forever rather than being recovered, in case it fell into the wrong hands. So had Kristatos been like this, then yes, it would be understandable why he would have the Havelocks killed before they had actually found the ATAC. However, Kristatos is more like... erm... Walter Donovan... lol. He actually wants the ATAC for himself. Killing the Havelocks is like killing Indiana Jones before he has passed all the deadly booby traps and gotten through to the inner room.

[HildebrandRarity]

Charming.

I'll take my leave of this thread.

But not immediately, obviously...

My dear Queen...I was 'tempted' back by WC who insisted that someone with intelligence provide him with an 'internal, logical, realistic' (as opposed to an 'external or dramatic/movie-making') explaination. Hence my return with post #25 in this thread.

[broadshoulder]

I always thought the Havelocks were killed by Kristatos/Locque/Gogol to stop them getting anywhere near the St Georges before the Russians did. They probably noticed it was highly suspicious that the Triana arrived in the area quite shortly after the St Georges went down.

Kristatos had to locate the wreck - but more importantly stop anyone else salvaging it before he could for the Soviets.

[Jim]

My dear Queen...I was 'tempted' back by WC who insisted that someone with intelligence provide him with an 'internal, logical, realistic' (as opposed to an 'external or dramatic/movie-making') explaination.

Right. So when's that person turning up, then?

Only joking, pickle.

[broadshoulder]

. . However, Kristatos is more like... erm... Walter Donovan... lol. He actually wants the ATAC for himself. Killing the Havelocks is like killing Indiana Jones before he has passed all the deadly booby traps and gotten through to the inner room.

WTF?

Kristatos is simply a Greek crook. No political loyalites or world dominating obcessions. Hes a trusted agent of the Russians. He doesnt want the ATAC to set off WWIII but simply to sell for profit. If the British paid more then maybe he would sell it to them.

Hes a traitor, a turncoat - but the ATAC is useless to him personally apart from upping his bank account. It was the tightest motivation for decades back in 1981.

[WC]

. . However, Kristatos is more like... erm... Walter Donovan... lol. He actually wants the ATAC for himself. Killing the Havelocks is like killing Indiana Jones before he has passed all the deadly booby traps and gotten through to the inner room.

WTF?

Kristatos is simply a Greek crook. No political loyalites or world dominating obcessions. Hes a trusted agent of the Russians. He doesnt want the ATAC to set off WWIII but simply to sell for profit. If the British paid more then maybe he would sell it to them.

Hes a traitor, a turncoat - but the ATAC is useless to him personally apart from upping his bank account. It was the tightest motivation for decades back in 1981.

Kristatos is like Walter Donovan in that they were played by the same actors, and in that he's not like Kazim (who wants the secret of the Grail to remain hidden forever) but rather that he wants to actually recover it, regardless of whether it's ultimately for himself or to give to Gogol later on. I'm not referring to any world dominating schemes or political loyalties. In other words, his agenda is not to surpress the McGuffin and prevent someone from getting at the truth, but to recover that McGuffin. If Kazim tried to kill Indiana Jones, it doesn't matter to him - the truth stays hidden and Indy is of no use to him. If Donovan tries to kill Indy and the truth stays hidden, he can't ultimately get to the Grail (of course that in itself doesn't fully answer why the Nazis tried to kill the Joneses earlier on in the movie despite having acquired Connery's diary).

[dee-bee-five]

Charming.

I'll take my leave of this thread.

But not immediately, obviously...

My dear Queen...I was 'tempted' back by WC who insisted that someone with intelligence provide him with an 'internal, logical, realistic' (as opposed to an 'external or dramatic/movie-making') explaination. Hence my return with post #25 in this thread.

Still, you ended up making more farewells than Sinatra, and (to my mind) to even less effect, my dear pedant.

I was eight when For Your Eyes Only came out and claim no ownership of it by being there when it did.

I was at the premiere so it's mine, dammit! Do you hear?!? Mine!!!

You're welcome to it, cupcake. Enjoy.

If that's possible.

Ah, dear old FYEO ain't bad. Mid-ranking, I'd say, although I enjoyed the two entries either side of it better. As I said earlier, FYEO felt like a breath of fresh air after Moonraker at the time. Although, oddly enough, Moonraker seems to have aged much better.

Edited by dee-bee-five, 03 April 2008 - 05:46 PM.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Although, oddly enough, Moonraker seems to have aged much better.

Is it, perhaps, due to the music?

[Piz Gloria 1969]

FYEO *OWNS* MR...nuff said !

I don't think Gogol was involved , he doesn't seem like that kind of guy , with the exceptions of traitors like Zorin.

Never thought about Loque working alone , I always imagined him a Kristatos errandboy....it DOES make sence he'd want to cover his tracks like you said.

Edited by Piz Gloria 1969, 07 April 2008 - 11:06 AM.

[Simon]

Or have I got it wrong? What was the reason for the Havelocks' murder? How do they even fit into the plot (other than to bring in Melina as the vengeful Bond girl)?

This question aside, (which seems to have been satisfactorily answered, if not the ownership of the film), if questions as to logic need be answered then try this one.

If Kristatos was on the Triana awaiting Bond and Melina's return with the typewriter, why did he bother sending down not one but two subs to get them when they were in the Georgia?

He could have saved the expense and suspense by just, awaiting their return.

[HildebrandRarity]

....if questions as to logic need be answered then try this one.

If Kristatos was on the Triana awaiting Bond and Melina's return with the typewriter, why did he bother sending down not one but two subs to get them ...

Logic in FYEO in relation to logic in Moonraker?

Moonraker crushes FYEO when it comes to logic.

If Kristatos was on the Triana awaiting Bond and Melina's return with the typewriter, why did he bother sending down not one but two subs to get them when they were in the Georgia?

He could have saved the expense and suspense by just, awaiting their return.

The taking parrot can enlighten us, perhaps?