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[Star 2350]

Right, I've been thinking like most of us about this for while now. Just wondered what others thought/hoped about the major plot points that have been published and confirmed so far.....

1. "Bond and M interrogate Mr White, who reveals the organisation which blackmailed Vesper is far more complex and dangerous than anyone had imagined"

- Why does White talk, and why so quickly? Does he cut a deal even though he killed Le Chiffre for threatening to co-operate?

2. "Forensic intelligence links an MI6 traitor....."

- Villiers or Slate? Or even Vesper still? Fingerprints? Hair strand? Retinal scan?

3. "A case of mistaken identity introduces Bond to the beautiful but feisty Camille"

- I guess that she is in Haiti on Greene Planet business, and thinks Bond is someone else. How deep is she into Greene's terror activities though, does she know Bond is really Bond?

4. "Camille leads Bond straight to Dominic Greene"

- She 'has her own vendetta too'. That he cheated on her with Vesper? Or is he not 'the boyfriend'?

5. "Greene is forging a deal with the exiled General Medrano....manipulating his powerful contacts within the CIA and the British government....in exchange for a seemingly barren piece of land"

- Contacts include Foreigh Sec? Why does he need the Medrano deal, why not just seize the land and thus the resource if you're that powerful, complex and dangerous?

6. "As he (Bond) gets closer to finding the MAN responsible for the betrayal of Vesper"

- Red herring? Not Greene or White or even Elvis? Who? Allusion to Bond himself? As in 'finding himself', he forced Vesper's decision through his love for her? (Bit deep but you get the idea!)

[Vauxhall]

"Forensic intelligence links an MI6 traitor....."

- Villiers or Slate? Or even Vesper still? Fingerprints? Hair strand? Retinal scan?

None of them, as I understand it. I believe the traitor is an MI6 agent by the name of Marshall. This is who Bond pursues and fights in the art gallery in Siena anyway. But that does mean that I'm now not sure where Slate will fit into the plot.

[stamper]

This sound like Licence to Kill redux mixed with TND.

[Colossus]

This sound like Licence to Kill redux mixed with TND.

Well if they're going for that action-packed mix then they have a real corker.

[Gri007]

I always thought that Slate was the traitor. I had wondered if it was Slate who he kills in the art gallery, but then I thought it might have been Elvis.

Has anyone actually seen the script. I can remember seeing a synopsis of the first act of Casino Royale on AICN. Is there a similar source for QoS anywhere.

[Captain Tightpants]

Hey guys,

Some of you might know me from over at the MI6 forums, and so some of you might have seen this idea before. If so, I apologise, but this is my grand theory on a major plot point for the film. So without further ado, Captain Tightpants/shadowonthesun presents ...

How to: Stage a Coup d'Etat 101
So, as we know, Dominic Greene and the Organisation want control of one of he world's resources. It doesn't really matter what it is; te point is, they have to get it somehow. And if you know how they're going to get it, you know how you can stop them. The Organisation has forged a deal with General Medrano to overthrown the Bolivian government in exchange for the rights to the barren piece of land mentioned in the synopsis.

The thing is, it would be incredibly expensive to stage a coup, and with Medrano currently living in exile, you have to get the money to him somehow. No cash, no coup.

As Monsieur Mendel pointed out in Casino Royale, one hundred and twenty million dollars is a large sum of money. It would probably have to be laundered to MI6 can't simply follow the trail, but it doesn't end there. Dominic Greene simply can't be seen handing the money over the Medrano because it would raise suspicion the moment it went into the country. It would raise alarms in every intellgence department in the world: something is going down. Greene can't be seen in Bolivia too much anyway, hence the use of the Paranal Observatory as a hideout.

Now, while you could try and smuggle the money in yourself, you'd be taking a huge risk, especially if it your - or your henchman's - first time smuggling. Sure, you could shoot a noisy border guard, but sooner or later, someone will notice. So here's what you do you either buy off (or at the very least, intimidate) drug smugglers into doing your dirty work for you. Not only do they have the experience, but they have the infrastructure in place. They've probably already paid off those nosy border guards, so they can get in unnoticed. Even better is the notion that everyone is watching South America for drugs coming out. But no-one is really paying attention to what is going in. And if they are watching for stuff going in, they're probably not allocating nearly as many resources as they are to watching for stuff coming out.

Now if you're a smuggler and you want to do an illegal border crossing, there's not many places you could do it just in case something goes wrong. Roads and rivers would be watched, so what you need is a nice section of land that's difficult to guard and where the border is nothing more than an imaginary line on a map. You couldn't go into Bolivia from Brazil because the terrain is too rough. And Argentina is probably too US-friendly - or have their own crackdown on smuggling - to make it worth the risk. Peru is an option, but there's a better alternative: that stretch of Chilean border running through the Atacama Desert. It's difficult to access, but not impractical, and it's likely that it's unguarded compared to the rest of the country. Even better is that if you come in from the Pacific Ocean, you can cross Chile and be in Bolivia before anyone notices you're there if you're quick enough.

Once you get the money into Bolivia, it gets a bit easier. You start spreading discord and enmity towards the government about the population and buy off the military. When General Medrano comes in - with behind-the-scenes support from the likes of the CIA - he can take control of the country quickly and is hailed as the new national hero.

Of course, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely: General Medrano's head could start getting too big for his hat and he might come up with the idea that maybe he doesn't need Dominic Greene and the Organisation anymore, which is why Green Planet has been created. They can maintain a presence in Bolivia under a legitimate cover - an environmental organisation - while still keeping an eye on Medrano. Greene will be in Bolivia for three reasons:
1) If Medrano starts getting stupid ideas, he might lock Greene and the Organisation out of the country. This way, they're already in place to get what they want.
2) If Medrano proves to be a particularly poor leader, someone else might get it into their head to stage a counter-coup. And if they succeed, they may not be as tolerant of the Organisation than Medrano was.
3) If the coup goes badly and Medrano does not get into power, Green Planet is already in position and can start extracting the resources.

[Captain Tightpants]

Pardon the double-post, but doesn't anyone appreciate the ten minutes it took me to come up with that idea? I mean, when I shuffle off, it's not like the Grim Reaper is going to give me that time back ...

[Gri007]

Yes very good. But I think you are forgetting that this is the worlds largest James Bond forum. It would take about a day to read the topics and threads that are in this forum. When members feel like writing their thoughts they will. It just takes time. In the mean time members are probably reading and responding to other threads and topics. Which belive me their are thousands