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[kneelbeforezod]

Honestly, relax and see the film first before declaring it a disaster.. What do you expect.. a Bond film with absolutely no action?

Is anyone really saying that? I don't think they are. It's just that there's a very fine line between a far-fetched but exciting action sequence and a just-plain-daft one.

When I hear about Bond in an extended car chase involving the Aston Martin, showing off his driving skills... well frankly I get AROUSED lol. But freefalling Bond girls and jet planes? Alarm bells start ringing. But I'm certainly not writing it off, as you say it could all be handled in a not-too-over-the-top way.

[Qwerty]

Oh, no; what is EON going back to formula for?

Don't think that statement can be substantiated at this point in the production. While "lots of action" seems to be being tossed around a lot by the cast and crew, I don't think we've seen/heard anything yet that seems to be really over the top. All sounds rather exciting to me.

Just keep those ice glaciers away.

[Mr_Wint]

Its a dam good formula so I can live with it for another 20 films.

[DamnCoffee]

Just keep those ice glaciers away.

I couldn't agree more .

[mcdonbb]

Just keep those ice glaciers away.

I couldn't agree more .

Well, even though I am nervous and what I am hearing is not what I expected, I still got to remember the caliber of the folks working on this namely Marc Foster, Paul Haggis, and of course Daniel Craig. Craig liked the script and all the word of mouth is good about Foster. its just really really not what I expected to be hearing.

I hate to say it but I think Craig's better Bond might be 23 when they do that bounce back thing back closer to CR. I dont think anyone had a clear plan or vision of where to take the story arc to make 22 be what it should have been. And yes that's even without seeing any rough draft and later the final film.

or course I may be wrong.

[Harmsway]

Well, even though I am nervous and what I am hearing is not what I expected, I still got to remember the caliber of the folks working on this namely Marc Foster, Paul Haggis, and of course Daniel Craig. Craig liked the script and all the word of mouth is good about Foster. its just really really not what I expected to be hearing.

Well, I do remember hearing comments about evoking the 1960s Bonds as well. It may very well be that in some sense Forster is trying to get back to the extravagant awesomeness of 1960s Bondian glory (best captured in THUNDERBALL), but bringing that humanized and gritty edge to it from CASINO ROYALE.

[tdalton]

I imagine that QUANTUM OF SOLACE will be like the BOURNE ULTIMATUM to CASINO ROYALE's BOURNE IDENTITY:

That would be very disappointing to me, since (IMHO) I vastly prefer Identity to Ultimatum.

That would be very disappointing to me as well. THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM was just one long action sequence, and if we can expect the same thing from QUANTUM OF SOLACE, then that would be very disappointing.

[mcdonbb]

Well, even though I am nervous and what I am hearing is not what I expected, I still got to remember the caliber of the folks working on this namely Marc Foster, Paul Haggis, and of course Daniel Craig. Craig liked the script and all the word of mouth is good about Foster. its just really really not what I expected to be hearing.

Well, I do remember hearing comments about evoking the 1960s Bonds as well. It may very well be that in some sense Forster is trying to get back to the extravagant awesomeness of 1960s Bondian glory (best captured in THUNDERBALL), but bringing that humanized and gritty edge to it from CASINO ROYALE.

Is that possible? ...and to whomever memtioned The Kite Runner kite sequences you're right..very well done indeed...very tense and well executed. Thanks I forgot about that...

Okay maybe he can...just like the title debate I dont think anyone of us can figure what they are truly doing. Time for me to breath again and chill.

hopefully we'll have a teaser trailer later this spring or early summer.

[Harmsway]

Well, I do remember hearing comments about evoking the 1960s Bonds as well. It may very well be that in some sense Forster is trying to get back to the extravagant awesomeness of 1960s Bondian glory (best captured in THUNDERBALL), but bringing that humanized and gritty edge to it from CASINO ROYALE.

Is that possible?

Maybe.

At any rate, I'm sure QUANTUM OF SOLACE will do stuff with the realistic edge. This plane sequence (and presumably, the subsequent freefall sequence) could be breathtaking if done the right way. It can be done with a harder edge.

Okay maybe he can...just like the title debate I dont think anyone of us can figure what they are truly doing. Time for me to breath again and chill.

hopefully we'll have a teaser trailer later this spring or early summer.

Yup. We're in the dark, and until we really start seeing some more footage, we have no idea how QUANTUM OF SOLACE will shape up.

[stamper]

Put me in Concerned case too, this sounds like a bad TND rip off (which was bad enough already) I mean, you had the jets fighting with co pilot ejecting + free falling in TND and that was a decade ago.

The more I heard of the movie, the more i'm worried and that includes the title.

My money's on this being a 200% DAD derivation with some bits of ultra fast "peeling the layers of da man" trown in.

[Righty007]

Put me in Concerned case too, this sounds like a bad TND rip off (which was bad enough already) I mean, you had the jets fighting with co pilot ejecting + free falling in TND and that was a decade ago.

The more I heard of the movie, the more i'm worried and that includes the title.

My money's on this being a 200% DAD derivation with some bits of ultra fast "peeling the layers of da man" trown in.

Are you serious? You don't like the title and you think it's going to suck like Die Another Day? Did you see Casino Royale?

[tdalton]

Put me in Concerned case too, this sounds like a bad TND rip off (which was bad enough already) I mean, you had the jets fighting with co pilot ejecting + free falling in TND and that was a decade ago.

The more I heard of the movie, the more i'm worried and that includes the title.

My money's on this being a 200% DAD derivation with some bits of ultra fast "peeling the layers of da man" trown in.

I do share your concern as to the amount and type of action that we're hearing about in regards to QUANTUM OF SOLACE. The main concern for me, however, is that it seems like we're hearing about a new sequence every few days or so. The movie is only supposed to be 2 hours long, and it seems as though, just judging from all of the reports that are coming in, that it's going to be virtually non-stop action from beginning to end. I do think, however, that no matter how much action is in the film, that it has to be done better than it was in TWINE and DAD, so there is some relief in knowing that. But, it does seem as though, just judging from all of these reports, that the approach of story over action that was seen during the second half of CASINO ROYALE is not the approach that is being taken this time around.

I do think, however, that with the inclusion of a quality filmmaker like Marc Forster, that the action would have to be amongst the best that we've had in the series. I just hope that there isn't as much of it as we're being led to believe that there will be.

[dinovelvet]

Put me in Concerned case too, this sounds like a bad TND rip off (which was bad enough already) I mean, you had the jets fighting with co pilot ejecting + free falling in TND and that was a decade ago.

And if that isn't enough, there's a character called "James Bond" in it too. This is quite obviously a ripoff of the "James Bond" character who was in DN, FRWL, GF, TB, YOLT, OHMSS, DAF, LALD, TMWTGG, TSWLM, MR, FYEO, OP, AVTAK, TLD, LTK, GE, TND, TWINE, DAD, and CR.

Have EON run out of ideas?

[stamper]

Let's put it this way, if the "homosexual Bond" thing was approached in this flick as Craig as hinted, I would be much more relieved, because it would be more daring and new than jet fighters fights with freefalling. So far, what did we heard about Bond arc in this story ? Nothing.

In CR, he had an arc, he was a different guy at the end. Here ? Zilch. All we hear is car chases, planes chases, foot chases, nothing about any other scene that could be exceptional like the chair torture in CR.

As for the past 20 Bond flicks, there was a reason CR was so good, it stopped rehashing old stuff and made it all seems fresh again.

[Harmsway]

So far, what did we heard about Bond arc in this story ? Nothing.

We've heard about Bond's story arc. Heck, the very title has to do with it.

All we hear is car chases, planes chases, foot chases, nothing about any other scene that could be exceptional like the chair torture in CR.

Dialogue scenes don't tend to get written up in magazines. They're not as easily observable, and not as compelling to read about.

[Vauxhall]

I think what is easily forgotten is that we probably would have only really known about the action and casino sequences for CASINO ROYALE if it hadn't been for the fact that some of us had a copy of the script thus encouraging us that there was some solid dialogue. As Harmsway says, showing Bond and M engaged in deep meaty conversation won't get the audiences excited; showing Bond swinging from ropes and shooting at enemies will.

[Skudor]

This jet stuff sounds like something out of Tomorrow Never Dies... or For Your Eyes Only. That doesn't mean it is. Overall it certainly seems that Quantum of Solace will have far more action than Casino Royale, which is not necessarily a bad thing. It doesn't have to be as bland and glossy as some of the action in, say, The World is not Enough.

[sharpshooter]

It sounds like something from TND yes, but that is because you can't know what isn't yet known, or in this instance, seen. I am sure that QoS's use of jets will be much better and in a different context.

[craigbegins]

Anyone see Die Hard 4? There's a little sequence with McClane and a jet.. just throwing that out there.

[AngryPolarBear]

Call me naive, but I trust these filmmakers to much. We won't be seing James battling fighter jets with a semi trailer.

[Qwerty]

Anyone see Die Hard 4? There's a little sequence with McClane and a jet.. just throwing that out there.

I'd say it's still way too early to star worrying about whether or not this bit or that bit will be over the top. We know relatively little about this action sequence so far, anyways.

[AngryPolarBear]

Call me naive, but I trust these filmmakers to much. We won't be seing James battling fighter jets with a semi trailer.

[Harmsway]

I just remembered that Bond flies a jet in Gardner's WIN, LOSE, OR DIE.

[Shrublands]

I just remembered that Bond flies a jet in Gardner's WIN, LOSE, OR DIE.

The thing is, this aircraft, (as named and photographed) IS NOT A JET!!!

[Skudor]

Anyone see Die Hard 4? There's a little sequence with McClane and a jet.. just throwing that out there.

Thank you for reminding me that things could be so much worse. Not that we really have anything to worry about. All we know is that there will be planes of some sort, some freefall, skydiving and Bond will somehow be involved in it. That doesn't (yet) mean that Bond will be involved in a Top Gun style dogfight.

[sharpshooter]

I am confident it will work out ok, but I am still wondering how they will go about it. Some footage will put it to rest I think.

[JimmyBond]

So I imagine I'm the only one that's excited to hear that this film will (possibly) give TND a run for it's money in the action department? Car chases, plane sequences, freefalls, fighting on ropes, foot chases. You know what I say to that? I say bring it on!

Sure when we think of overabundance of action we immediately think of TND (a film I love, btw), but the difference between the action we're hearing about in this film, and the action from TND, was that TND's action sequences were of the very generic run and gun 90's action movie mould. QoS sounds like it will have very innovative Bondian style thrills and chills we used to get back in the sixties. Not once (yet) have I heard about an action sequence in this movie that invovles Craig running from a hail of gunfire.

It's not about the quantity of action folks, it's about the quality

[tdalton]

So I imagine I'm the only one that's excited to hear that this film will (possibly) give TND a run for it's money in the action department? Car chases, plane sequences, freefalls, fighting on ropes, foot chases. You know what I say to that? I say bring it on!

Sure when we think of overabundance of action we immediately think of TND (a film I love, btw), but the difference between the action we're hearing about in this film, and the action from TND, was that TND's action sequences were of the very generic run and gun 90's action movie mould. QoS sounds like it will have very innovative Bondian style thrills and chills we used to get back in the sixties. Not once (yet) have I heard about an action sequence in this movie that invovles Craig running from a hail of gunfire.

It's not about the quantity of action folks, it's about the quality

I know that I am not looking forward to any future Bond film being in the style of TND. TND is one of my least favorite in the franchise, and that is primarily due to its overload of action, and anything that we may get in the future that is similar to it in terms of an overabundance of action is something that I won't be very excited at all to see. I think that we've been there and done that with the whole action-overload type of Bond film, and now that we've got a superior actor in Daniel Craig, that the more character driven type of film should be the focus of EON, not the action spectacle type of film that QUANTUM OF SOLACE appears to be wanting to be. There is plenty of time to return to that way of making films when Craig retires from the role and someone else comes in.

[JimmyBond]

I'll respectfully disagree then

I think we can have a great character study that relies on action sequences to flesh the characters out.

[mcdonbb]

well each day I am up or down...just have to see. Im expecting harder edge and the only recent freefall with Bond I can remember is EA's Everything or Nothing. I am actually looking forward to this sequence and really curious as to how Foster will film it.

...and oh yeah that Die Hard 4 jet sequence was really embarrasingly cartoonish wasnt it?