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[Eddie Burns]

I just had this thought, but if it has been already discussed ignore it...

Why don't we know Camille's last name? Could it be that she's Dominic Greene's wife? A man with his profile would be expected to have a wife. And that Bond uses her to get close to Greene? Let us say, for the sake of it, that Greene is indeed Vesper's Algerian boyfriend and Bond uses this information to turn Camille against her husband and as a result she ends up seeking revenge for the infidelity. Or simply she could have been aware of it from the very beginning. Her and Bond are in conflict about the other's approach to revenge, and thus she ends up helping him come to terms with Vesper's betrayal since they share this one common thing, revenge.

I've been thinking about the synopsis and how it says that Camille introduces Bond to Greene, how she is also out for her own revenge, and how she helps Bond come to terms with Vesper's betrayal. I really can't think of how she would be able to do any of this without having a serious connection to one of the main characters. For her to help Bond come to terms with what Vesper did to him would require her to understand Bond's motives and be able to relate to them. I think that makes sense but i'd like to hear the opinion of others. Also, it's sounds like its right up Haggis' and Forster's alley. Sort of like Domino in TB (who I think is the most complex of all Bond girls) except this time, the girl is genuinely in love with the villain and is absolutely shattered to find that he has been unfaithful, and therein lies her motive for revenge.

Just a thought....

p.s- I don't think we should be too worried about the gun training she's doing. I'm sure she only has one scene with weapons in it. I think the training is just to familiarize the actress with certain weapons so she looks capable on-screen. I'm sure I. Scorupco did some weapon training but she didn't have as much action as Wai-Lin/Onatopp for example.

[tdalton]

I think that it's possible that Camille could be Dominic Greene's wife. As you stated, it would explain a lot of her motives as well as tie into the plotline of Casino Royale.

[Ace Roberts]

Excellent speculation - Eddie Burns. I must admit I had NOT thought of that particular scenario. I guess I was falling in the trap of thinking Camille being Vesper's sister - which is Goldfingerish and iconic I know. But I like this thought process MUCH better.

[Vauxhall]

I originally suggested that the fact that Camille's surname was not revealed was due to her being Vesper's sister, but given the fact that she is a Bolivian character this cannot be true. I do think it's likely that she may be at least Greene's partner; I am certainly intrigued by what her motive for wanting revenge is.

[Harmsway]

Given that her character is seemingly Bolivian, I've often thought that Camille's vendetta is against General Medrano.

[MarcAngeDraco]

I do find it rather interesting that they didn't 'introduce' Camille with a surname. It certainly raises my suspicion that her last name must be significant to the plot.

Your scenario seems relatively reasonable. However, I am not yet convinced that Greene was Vesper's boyfriend.

[Vauxhall]

Your scenario seems relatively reasonable. However, I am not yet convinced that Greene was Vesper's boyfriend.

I'm pretty certain that Greene was not Vesper's boyfriend. The boyfriend was said to be French-Algerian, and Amalric has stated in an interview that the nationality of Greene is unknown to him, but he guesses that he might be Swiss or something.

[HildebrandRarity]

I thought the character played by Anatoly Taumbaum (sic?) was supposedly Vesper's lover?

[Shrublands]

I thought the character played by Anatoly Taumbaum (sic?) was supposedly Vesper's lover?

That has only been speculated about, he did say his character was French, but the Vesper boyfriend bit has not been confirmed.

[HildebrandRarity]

LOL!

So we have a French actor playing a possible Swiss...and a Swiss actor playing a possible French-Algerian.

Cute.

[Shrublands]

LOL!

So we have a French actor playing a possible Swiss...and a Swiss actor playing a possible French-Algerian.

Cute.

I expect them to announce that they will be filming in Bolivia and it will be standing in for Panama

[HildebrandRarity]

Nice one Shrublands.

Btw, Camille has not been confirmed as South American, not Bolivian. And General Medrano has not been confirmed as Bolivian either.

There is a possiblilty that Medrano is Peruvian or, more plausably, from the northern most Chilean region of Arica-Parinacosta which was newly created in 2006. The area is north of Antofagasta and Atacama (which is also the name of the desert in Peru and Chile.)

Given that Bolivia is a minor James Bond market (not unlike North Korea for DAD) in relation to Brazil, Argentina and even Chile, Eon have probably target it to be the 'named' area of the natural resource...unless they cop out and do a San Monique or an Isthmus.

But I believe the most likely plot scenario is that Medrano want's to govern a region/province as opposed to an entire country.


EDIT: I meant Camille HAS been confirmed (suriously enough) as "South American", not Bolivian. Sorry for confusion.

[Harmsway]

Btw, Camille has not been confirmed as South American, not Bolivian. And General Medrano has not been confirmed as Bolivian either.

Granted, but it's an easy assumption to make.

Given that Bolivia is a minor James Bond market (not unlike North Korea for DAD) in relation to Brazil, Argentina and even Chile, Eon have probably target it to be the 'named' area of the natural resource...unless they cop out and do a San Monique or an Isthmus.

We're 100% certain that Bolivia is the nation in discussion (the hotel where Bond filmed at was done up with Bolivian flags, and we know Fields works at the Bolivian embassy, etc. and so forth).

But I believe the most likely plot scenario is that Medrano want's to govern a region/province as opposed to an entire country.

Maybe, but that's not what the plot summary would lead us to believe.

[Shrublands]

Given that Bolivia is a minor James Bond market (not unlike North Korea for DAD) in relation to Brazil, Argentina and even Chile, Eon have probably target it to be the 'named' area of the natural resource...unless they cop out and do a San Monique or an Isthmus.

I think if General Medrano is painted as a sufficient nutcase/renegade his ambitions won

[HildebrandRarity]

Yes, they're astute enough and have enough of a history in being non-offensive (inoffensive?) to craft something similar to Octopussy rather than Die Another Day...though I didn't mind them targeting an actual country in DAD...at least they had the guts to do it...eventhough they tried to sit on the fence with it in terms of execution.

[Shrublands]

Yes, it is a policy that goes right back to From Russia with Love (and was probably most recently seen in its most outright form in Tomorrow Never Dies).

The villains are shown to be playing both ends against the middle, as it were. They might have a solitary loon in some position of power, but that’s it.

DAD went against this and showed the villains seducing the government of North Korea with a display of aggressive power. It was bound to offend them.

Edited by Shrublands, 12 February 2008 - 05:16 PM.

[HildebrandRarity]

Given that Bolivia is a minor James Bond market (not unlike North Korea for DAD) in relation to Brazil, Argentina and even Chile, Eon have probably target it to be the 'named' area of the natural resource...unless they cop out and do a San Monique or an Isthmus.

We're 100% certain that Bolivia is the nation in discussion (the hotel where Bond filmed at was done up with Bolivian flags, and we know Fields works at the Bolivian embassy, etc. and so forth).

We have two different issues I believe.

1) Yes. Bond goes to Bolivia and visits the British embassy/Agent Fields in Bolivia and stays at a hotel in Bolivia.

But...

2) We're not 100 percent sure, or even 25 percent sure, that Bolivia is where the natural resource lies or that Medrano wants to overthrow the Bolivian government.

These are two entirely different states of play. I disagree that it's 100 percent certain that Bolivia is where the supposed coup or coup attempt takes place.

It's too simplistic a view. Why, for example, is Bond traveling to Peru and northern Chile...especially the Atacam desert which boarders Peru and Chile? Just for kicks and a photo op at Machu Picchu?

I think there's more to it than meets the eye. In Octopussy, Bond travels to East Germany. It's in West Germany, however, where the villany is to transpire.

The plot synopsis has left things vague (probably for the better) and nowhere has it been stated that Camille and/or the general are Bolivian. In fact, Kurylenko stated her character is "South American".