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[WC]

In Casino Royale, the reason given for Vesper's betrayal of Bond was that her Algerian boyfriend had been kidnapped and held for ransom. When exactly did this happen in the movie?

The reason I ask this is because, for most of the film, Vesper does not seem too troubled. When she first meets Bond on the train, she seems quite jovial, and indeed later on, during their time at the Casino, again she seems in good spirits. Even when she hints at a previous relationship through the Algerian Love Knot, while Bond names his drink a vesper, Miss Lynd only seems to talk about him with a tinge of regret, not a sense of anguish.

Now if the boyfriend had been kidnapped earlier in the film, wouldn't she have been quite distraught and on edge with Bond the whole time? How could she simply just enjoy the moment, putting all things aside and out of her mind? She even seemed to be having the time of her life in Venice when she and Bond enjoyed their whirlwind romance together.

So when was her boyfriend kidnapped? And if he was kidnapped earlier, was she just a very good actress to hide her feelings of uncertainty and alarm?

Furthermore, if she had bargained with Mr White for Bond's life during the torture scene, wouldn't she still have felt guilt-ridden when enjoying the romance with Bond, knowing the whole time she was deceiving him?

[Harmsway]

In Casino Royale, the reason given for Vesper's betrayal of Bond was that her Algerian boyfriend had been kidnapped and held for ransom. When exactly did this happen in the movie?

Before Vesper ever appears.

Now if the boyfriend had been kidnapped earlier in the film, wouldn't she have been quite distraught and on edge with Bond the whole time?

Some people are good at putting up a facade.

How could she simply just enjoy the moment, putting all things aside and out of her mind?

I don't think she ever did. Her Vesper often seems somewhat preoccupied, somewhat conflicted, and even in her most "jovial" moments, I think that shines through.

Furthermore, if she had bargained with Mr White for Bond's life during the torture scene, wouldn't she still have felt guilt-ridden when enjoying the romance with Bond, knowing the whole time she was deceiving him?

Of course she would. And she did.

[MarcAngeDraco]

Excellent questions, WC. But I don't think they are really answered in CR, so any reply would merely be speculation IMO. Perhaps some of these details will become more apparant during QoS. Personally I hope they don't try to wrap up the whole thing and feed it to us in a tidy little package... but I do hope we gain some insight...

[DaveBond21]

wouldn't she still have felt guilt-ridden when enjoying the romance with Bond, knowing the whole time she was deceiving him?

She feels terrible. Especially when Bond tells her that the password is Vesper. She realises what a good man Bond is, compared to all the other men she has known. And then when he tells her that he loves her on the beach, she feels even worse, yet for a moment believes maybe she could somehow get out of this alive and be with Bond. Yet when she sees Gettler in Venice, she realises there is no escape, and that it's almost over.

[WC]

In Casino Royale, the reason given for Vesper's betrayal of Bond was that her Algerian boyfriend had been kidnapped and held for ransom. When exactly did this happen in the movie?

Before Vesper ever appears.

Hmm... that's interesting. If that did happen before she ever appears in the movie though, then what exactly was Vesper's mission? To stop Bond from ever winning? Or to transfer the funds to Mr White once Bond had won? But what if LeChiffre had won (as he did at some point before Felix Leiter agreed to put up extra cash to fund Bond)? Then what? Vesper's role would be redundant. She never contributed to Bond losing to LeChiffre in the first place.

And I thought the deal between Vesper and Mr White/the organisation was made only when Bond was being tortured and in exchange for handing over the lost casino winnings.

Are you sure the boyfriend wasn't kidnapped between the time Bond won and Vesper was kidnapped herself? That might explain things a little more.

[tdalton]

In Casino Royale, the reason given for Vesper's betrayal of Bond was that her Algerian boyfriend had been kidnapped and held for ransom. When exactly did this happen in the movie?

Before Vesper ever appears.

Hmm... that's interesting. If that did happen before she ever appears in the movie though, then what exactly was Vesper's mission? To stop Bond from ever winning? Or to transfer the funds to Mr White once Bond had won? But what if LeChiffre had won (as he did at some point before Felix Leiter agreed to put up extra cash to fund Bond)? Then what? Vesper's role would be redundant. She never contributed to Bond losing to LeChiffre in the first place.

And I thought the deal between Vesper and Mr White/the organisation was made only when Bond was being tortured and in exchange for handing over the lost casino winnings.

Are you sure the boyfriend wasn't kidnapped between the time Bond won and Vesper was kidnapped herself? That might explain things a little more.

I think that her role (from the Organization's standpoint) was to be there in case things didn't go according to plan. I'm sure that the plan was for Le Chiffre to win the poker tournament, and there was no reason to assume that he wouldn't considering how he was considered a mathematical genius and we had already had a scene or two of him easily winning at poker. I think that Vesper's presence at the game was to, in case Bond actually posed a challenge to Le Chiffre, would be to make sure that Le Chiffre ended up with the money, whether it be by denying Bond additional funds should he need it, or to arrange a transfer of the money in the seemingly unlikely event that Bond actually won the game.