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[puck]

Being a big fan does not mean one's information is accurate. Though one may genuinely believe it is.

Many a wrong item has been reportd by fanatics.

It might mean someone's talking to a lot of people and none of them real insiders. They also may have gotten misinformation from faulty reporting. Even legit press get's facts wrong.

But like I said being gay never stays hidden these days, like it did back in the 40s. There is a striking recent example of that. Though insiders knew it over 15 years ago, and not long after, "stories" emerged. They always do.

Edited by puck, 04 February 2008 - 06:20 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

Anyhow. Wasn't he dating Whoopie Goldberg at one point?

[R. Dittmar]

Actually guys, why don't we wind this down and let it drift off of the homepage? I'm feeling ever more the moron for having started this. From this point on, I will say no more here nor mention this subject in any other thread.

[Zorin Industries]

No. Timothy Dalton is not gay...ask the ladies who would also support that - some of which are not (allegedly) a million miles from the Bond stable.

[Harry Fawkes]

You know a thought occurred to me as I went through this thread which obviously made me respond. First thing that hit me was a question: what the heck has being gay or not got to do with anything remotely related to the world of Bond?

I came across another thread in this forum asking if Flemming was gay! I felt sick as I went through the posts there and what was being written by a so called 'conosciente'.

Christ almighty, I found myself thinking, so what if Fleming were gay or not! This is the year 2008. I think the human race has 'evolved' enough to keep these type of bull questions from crossing anyone's mind!

As for the two girls who went to see TLD and 'sensed' that Dalton was gay, please, someone get me a bag cause I'm gonna vomit! What a load of crap! Who are these two bullters? More 'conoscienti'

Tim Dalton was one of the best Bonds to ever grace the silver screen and that is a fact. His films were extremely popular and made good money. He singlehandedly put Bond back on track where credibility is concerned and LTK didn't make so much as any other previous Bond film because some marketing genius back then got too stingy and ed up the whole marketing campaign.

Gay or not, and frankly I couldn't give a rat's as to what he actually is (that is his business not ours) is purely and absolutely irrelevant. His performance as Ian Fleming's James Bond was the best so far, and that is a fact!

As for the two girl's perceiving his 'gayness', is all I can say is this: Pull the other one it's got bells attached!

Harry Fawkes MRQ

Edited by Harry Fawkes, 04 February 2008 - 06:52 PM.

[Royal Dalton]

Anyhow. Wasn't he dating Whoopie Goldberg at one point?

Yes, he was making Whoopi.

[Peckinpah1976]

Anyhow. Wasn't he dating Whoopie Goldberg at one point?

Yes, he was making Whoopi.

Don't care about Dalton's sexuality; either way he was a great Bond. Just to clear one thing up though; he was never involved with Whoopie Goldberg - he rather gallantly let this be believed when the actress was spied as having a tattoo of the initials 'T.D'. This actually stood for (the then married) Ted Danson who she was involved with, hence the secrecy.

Edited by Peckinpah1976, 04 February 2008 - 08:42 PM.

[Milovy]

Didn't he date Marisa Berenson once?

Ah yes, he seems to allude to that here in this quote:

"Kiss and tell has never been my style. But I will say that I like my woman to be intelligent. Both Vanessa [Redgrave] and Marisa [Berenson] gave me that. They also have a lot of style and class. But it's very hard for an actor to keep up a relationship. Your work demands that you kiss and make love to other woman. You also have to express your emotions. Sometimes, you can't tell where the movie ends and real life begins." (Timothy Dalton, "News Extra", August 1991)

Doesn't sound very gay to me, I'm afraid. In fact, you can find lots of other quotes of his about women here:

http://www.geocities...ellanea_Eng.htm

One can make up their own mind I suppose, but I'd rather take it from the horse's mouth than from some fangirl who thinks her gaydar's gone off.

As for Whoopi, he was friends with her and starred with her on stage in a production of LOVE LETTERS.

And then there were some who thought he was dating Barbara Broccoli for a while there. Actually I just think he was escorting her to Hollywood functions.

I probably was a little harsh to say this is a stupid thread. After all, people do get curious. It's just that if Dalton is anything other than straight, he's been extremely discreet about it... in addition to maintaining a rather hetero lifestyle well into his mature years. I've never heard whispers of him LINKED to any men; I've never even come across any suspicious "blind items" in the tabloids or whatever. Which is odd because someone is always willing to gossip something about someone... If there was a gay actor playing Bond you can bet the tabloids would have been doing blind items for years. There just haven't been.

However, as I said, the dynamics of closeted gay male stardom have profoundly changed since even the 1980's. Even Derek Jacobi, one of the most publicity-shy gay actors around, who was happy to be simply thought of as a "confirmed bachelor" for years and years, recently got married to his longtime boyfriend. I'd be astonished if there were any established older stars still in the closet, actually. And I just think if any former Bond actor was gay... we would have heard about it by now and it wouldn't be a very big deal.

Edited by Milovy, 04 February 2008 - 11:19 PM.

[Royal Dalton]

As for Whoopi, he was friends with her and starred with her on stage in a production of LOVE LETTERS.

Yeah, they were best buddies for a while. She even took him with her to the Oscars.

[puck]

nm. It's it's gotten too lame.

Edited by puck, 06 February 2008 - 06:03 AM.

[Skudor]

[quote name='R. Dittmar' post='833335' date='4 February 2008 - 17:08'][quote name='MkB' post='833301' date='4 February 2008 - 09:44']Maybe it's a bit redundant with my first post in this thread, but I'd like to stress one point: I have no idea and really don't care if your correspondent was mistaken or not as to Dalton's private life. BUT my point is that she was really mistaken if she thought that an actor's private life (be it Dalton or any other) can impediment his acting skills. Straight men/women can play the role of gay characters, and vice versa. It's not a matter of private life, it's a matter of acting.[/quote]

MkB,

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[Piz Gloria 1969]

De Niro is hush hush about his private life as well so it means he's gay , c'mon now *rolls eyes*

(de Niro got pissed at Shelley Winters when she told about their fling .....lol I can imagine de Niro cursing her out lmao

[Skudor]

De Niro is hush hush about his private life as well so it means he's gay , c'mon now *rolls eyes*

(de Niro got pissed at Shelley Winters when she told about their fling .....lol I can imagine de Niro cursing her out lmao

OMG! Of course, he must be gay!

[pat006]

tim is great !!!if he is gay that would not change my admiration for him one bit
but the truth is that he is not, not that there's something wrong if he was!
being a very private actor, is understandable that such questions might arise, someone would ask "what does he have to hide?"

this quote from tim made me laugh!
"There was a woman from a well known American newspaper who wanted to know how I spent every minute of the day. What time did I wake up? What did I do first thing? So I told her "Well , I probably take a ". (Timothy Dalton, "Premiere", June 1989)

anyway, 62 years old, 2 bond films in his resume,lots of gorgeous ladies in his past
and still SINGLE!! dalton rules!

[doublenoughtspy]

[quote name='R. Dittmar' post='833335' date='4 February 2008 - 12:08']00spy,

I don

[broadshoulder]

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Everyone has "gaydar" but just because you're a Bond fanatic doesn't mean your gaydar is any better or worse than anyone else's.

No staight people dont really have gaydar (straight women continuously make mistakes in this regard) but there are some straight men out there who are not the marrying kind. Its not that they are gay, they enjoy straight sex and can get the girls but enjoy their single life. They just dont have the motivation for lifelong committment.

Remind you of anyone?

[Lady Rose]

Remind you of anyone?

Thats why TD was so great as our hero. He is James Bond

[Harry Fawkes]

Thats why TD was so great as our hero. He is James Bond

Well said my dear.

[byline]

As far as your friend seeing him in a play and thinking he was gay, it was probably just the way he was playing the part. Timothy Dalton is probalby the only movie star out there that has never had any gay rumors circulating about him (until now).

It's been years since I've seen "The Lion In Winter," but I seem to recall that he played that part (King Philip of France) with what struck me as a homosexual slant. I assumed that was his interpretation of the character, not a reflection of his own sexual orientation.

Personally, I couldn't care less if an actor is gay or straight (I'm a woman, if that makes any difference to anyone). And maybe this gets into whether an actor is truly an actor or a star (or some combination of both). Some film stars bring a certain persona to nearly every role they play. Other actors dissolve into their roles (and for me, they are truly acting). So when an actor convincingly portrays a role, his or her sexual orientation should have nothing to do with it . . . unless they're more the type to bring that same persona to every role. I consider Dalton to be more of an actor's actor, and he's been completely convincing to me in every film of his I've seen. And, for what it's worth, I find him very attractive, still. In fact, I think I've come to appreciate him more as time goes by.

[byline]

You know a thought occurred to me as I went through this thread which obviously made me respond. First thing that hit me was a question: what the heck has being gay or not got to do with anything remotely related to the world of Bond?

Probably nothing. But in all fairness to the original poster, this is something I have heard some women say. Not specifically about Dalton, mind you. But I have heard, and read, the comment that if an actor is revealed to be homosexual (either by choice or being "outed"), she cannot find that actor believable in a romantic role with a woman. Hard to believe in this day and age, but it's true. (The most recent example I saw of this was on the "Grey's Anatomy" IMDb discussion group.)

I've always been hard-pressed to understand that attitude . . . especially when it comes to the acting profession. I mean, there's a reason why we call it "acting," eh? But I guess it has to do with what expectations someone invests in an actor s/he connects with. If that expectation is somehow bound up by one's personal perception of sexuality and/or sexual attraction, and finding out that an actor -- to whom you had previously felt attracted -- was of a different sexual orientation than your own, then the whole perception changes, and for some folks, it's a disappointment. After Rock Hudson, I thought those days were long gone, but apparently not.

Edited by byline, 13 February 2008 - 09:10 PM.

[Milovy]

It's been years since I've seen "The Lion In Winter," but I seem to recall that he played that part (King Philip of France) with what struck me as a homosexual slant.

Considering how the major revelatory plot point was that Dalton's and Anthony Hopkins' characters had had some sort of sexual tryst in the past, I think the gayness question for the character was sort of up-front.

Except Dalton's character then rejected Hopkins' and said he never loved him...

[Tarl_Cabot]

Silly thread but I guess all actors are under the 'gay gun' because it's not exactly a macho man's job to put on make up and costumes or earn Riviera villas because of your looks. Jaelle, a former CBNER and ridiculous Dalton fan,will tell you, the man enjoyed his women-and privacy. He was alot like Fleming in that he was a confirmed bachleor and maybe didn't feel the need to high five the press every time he got some action...personally, I thought his approach to celebrity made him a much more interesting ambassador to the series than the waaaaay too accessable Bronsnan who tells the press everything...a Bond star should be somewhat mysterious imho. Screw the press.we should all mind our own business anyway.

[Scaramanga'74]

Dalton

[Bondian]

I believe all the Bond actor's must be gay. They've all been shot at down a barrel.

Maybe it's time to put this thread to rest.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I believe all the Bond actor's must be gay.

Let's see: They'll all charming,well dressed and mannered,have good taste,knowledge of fine wine/food,suave & debonair...yep. They're all gay.

[Bondian]

I believe all the Bond actor's must be gay.

Let's see: They'll all charming,well dressed and mannered,have good taste,knowledge of fine wine/food,suave & debonair...yep. They're all gay.

LOL. Also. After a good nights 'rendering', "yoghurt, green figs and coffee very black" can work wonders.

[Frostyak]

I read a great quote from Matt Damon some time ago. He basically said if you were to write down a list of great actors, the list would probably be the same as his. And more likely than not, you would hardly know anything about there personal lives. They act to for the sake of acting, not for the sake of celebrity status and tabloid headlines.

[byline]

[quote name='Milovy' post='837868' date='13 February 2008 - 17:48'][quote]It's been years since I've seen "The Lion In Winter," but I seem to recall that he played that part (King Philip of France) with what struck me as a homosexual slant.[/quote]

Considering how the major revelatory plot point was that Dalton's and Anthony Hopkins' characters had had some sort of sexual tryst in the past, I think the gayness question for the character was sort of up-front.

Except Dalton's character then rejected Hopkins' and said he never loved him...
[/quote]
Thanks for the clarification. Like I said, it's been years since I saw the film, and my memory -- never all that great to begin with -- ain't what it used to be.

[quote name='Scaramanga'74' post='837904' date='13 February 2008 - 20:57']Dalton

[stamper]

I knew there was some hint as Craig suggested, that Bond would be having reports of a gay affair in his youth, but my thread was unjustly closed. I hope the site opens the closet when QOS comes out, and the gay mention will be fact. Trust me I know my sources.

As for Dalton, the guy even dated Diana Rigg, which makes him one of the best bonds along with Laz.

[byline]

I knew there was some hint as Craig suggested, that Bond would be having reports of a gay affair in his youth, but my thread was unjustly closed. I hope the site opens the closet when QOS comes out, and the gay mention will be fact. Trust me I know my sources.

I thought this rumor came from an Internet site (I'm thinking it was contactmusic.com) which wrongly conflated a quote Craig made about "Infamous" in an interview with another quote he made about Bond. The "not Bond" crowd jumped on the contactmusic story, and then it got picked up by the general media as "fact" when it was never true to begin with.