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[Righty007]

[MkB]

Now this is mean, boys... but I laughed

[rogermoore007]

hehehe....still miss pierce, wish he had done another

[broadshoulder]

I have no problem with an ageing Bond. Men still have strong sex drives well into their sixties/seventies. There are plenty of girls out there who like a little greying around the temples. I'm sure there are people out there who like what they see in the picture of Pierce.

Casino Royale, the film, would not have worked with Pierce as it was meant to be Bond at the beginning. The guy who is learning and going through a metamorphosis into the agent we all love. Pierce has moderate acting chops and is probably Bond at the end of his career.

We are all allowed to get old you know. So Pierce hasnt got a sixpack in that picture. So what? I bet the girls still like him...

[MkB]

I just learned that this photo was part of a series of paparazzi shots of Pierce Brosnan and his wife in Hawai, published in .

Now this doesn't make me laugh anymore.

No offence, Righty: I don't mind your post and question, PB is a public person, it was quite funny associated with the iconic image of DC in CR.

But the tabloids comments I read on the MI6 news about PB's wife are really disgusting. Not only she is not a public person, but laughing at people with some weight issues is the silliest thing on earth. But it seems so widely acceptable in public culture that nobody cares! I have people in my family with uch issues, and I can tell you how painful it is when they simply don't dare to go to swim, because of the looks around them.
"Journalists" paid for writing such lines are miserable slugs.

[David Schofield]

While I was never a huge fan of Brozza's Bond, the post Craig bashing of Brozza here really has let CBN down. If it's not his choice/offers of movies post Bond, its his ageing appearance.

Personally, it makes me very inferior knowing that the majority of CBNers have great careers and Adonis physiques. As opposed to being pinch chested teenagers, or middle-aged doughboys, who don't get out enough!

And while I prefer Craig as Bond, I'd ask those CBNers that have read Fleming to ask who looks more like Fleming's Bond facially - Craig, or the 54 year old guy coming out of the sea in this picture?

[jaguar007]

It is a funny picture, I'm sure Righty did not mean to offend anyone or cause any harm. Much like Adam Sandler doing the CR spoof in his movie (knowing he does not have Craig's physique) or any Will Ferrell movie where he takes his clothes off. It is meant as humor and parody, Righty is not intending to offend anyone.

[OmarB]

He's still pretty even if he's not in tip top shape at the moment. I can't think of a woman who would throw him outta bed.

[darkpath]

For a gentleman in his mid-fifties who hasn't spent the previous 3 or more months exclusively working every day with a physical trainer in order to look his best on camera, I think Mister Brosnan looks quite respectable.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Casino Royale, the film, would not have worked with Pierce as it was meant to be Bond at the beginning. The guy who is learning and going through a metamorphosis into the agent we all love. Pierce has moderate acting chops and is probably Bond at the end of his career.

It probably would have been something like For Your Eyes Only, with leather-faced Roger Moore standing in for "some other feller".

[Righty007]

It is a funny picture, I'm sure Righty did not mean to offend anyone or cause any harm. Much like Adam Sandler doing the CR spoof in his movie (knowing he does not have Craig's physique) or any Will Ferrell movie where he takes his clothes off. It is meant as humor and parody, Righty is not intending to offend anyone.

Thank you.

Here's how Dan would look in On Her Majesty's Secret Service:

[David Schofield]

It is a funny picture, I'm sure Righty did not mean to offend anyone or cause any harm. Much like Adam Sandler doing the CR spoof in his movie (knowing he does not have Craig's physique) or any Will Ferrell movie where he takes his clothes off. It is meant as humor and parody, Righty is not intending to offend anyone.

Thank you.

Here's how Dan would look in On Her Majesty's Secret Service:

Fair enough.

But Craig doesn't look that bad coming out of the sea, does he?

I think the point I - and perhaps others - were making is that most CBNers squealed when craignotbond.com put out unfavourable shots of their hero to be.

And CBNers have consistently made great play of their superiority to thecraignotbond.com trolls as "true" Bond fans.

And here we are reduced to the same level by bashing Brozza's appearance...

Plus ca change.

[Righty007]

It is a funny picture, I'm sure Righty did not mean to offend anyone or cause any harm. Much like Adam Sandler doing the CR spoof in his movie (knowing he does not have Craig's physique) or any Will Ferrell movie where he takes his clothes off. It is meant as humor and parody, Righty is not intending to offend anyone.

Thank you.

Here's how Dan would look in On Her Majesty's Secret Service:

Fair enough.

But Craig doesn't look that bad coming out of the sea, does he?

I think the point I - and perhaps others - were making is that most CBNers squealed when craignotbond.com put out unfavourable shots of their hero to be.

And CBNers have consistently made great play of their superiority to thecraignotbond.com trolls as "true" Bond fans.

And here we are reduced to the same level by bashing Brozza's appearance...

Plus ca change.

I never once bashed Pierce Brosnan's appearance in this thread. I'd appreciate it if everyone didn't put words in my mouth. He's coming out of the water just like Daniel Craig did in Casino Royale. That's the whole point of this thread!

[Dell Deaton]

Very thoughtful Thread, across the points of view. Here's an additional one.

"It pre-empts all the bulls*** that will be written about my coming back to Bond. There's room for two Bonds. _____ plays it his way, I play it mine. I'll be ten years older and greyer than I was in Diamonds Are Forever. But Bond's an interesting character. There's a lot more I can do with him .... I'm fifty-two. There's nothing particularly daring about playing your age .... It's absurd to cling to what you were in your youth."

That was Sean Connery, quoted commenting on Never Say Never Again, in Sean Connery, by Michael Feeney Callan (New York: Stein and Day, 1983). The blank is for Roger Moore, of course, but it could as easily apply to any of the other 007 actors.

[Emma]

While I was never a huge fan of Brozza's Bond, the post Craig bashing of Brozza here really has let CBN down. If it's not his choice/offers of movies post Bond, its his ageing appearance.

Personally, it makes me very inferior knowing that the majority of CBNers have great careers and Adonis physiques. As opposed to being pinch chested teenagers, or middle-aged doughboys, who don't get out enough!

And while I prefer Craig as Bond, I'd ask those CBNers that have read Fleming to ask who looks more like Fleming's Bond facially - Craig, or the 54 year old guy coming out of the sea in this picture?

Well said!

By the way is that picture of Pierce on holiday in his down time? Someone posted pictures of Craig on vacation with his girlfriend some months back and Craig had a paunch too. Face it in order to look the way that Craig looked in CR you have to keep up with the excercise regime and eat a very clean (little sugar and starch). It takes a lot of dedication and hardwork. It's very unlkely that the'll keep it up all the time, especially when they aren't acting in a role.

Pierce would never have been suitable as Bond in CR. Not just because it's Bond in his early career. But it's also a different type of Bond. Pierce's Bond was suave and elegant- he was a gentleman. Craig's Bond was more rough around the edges, someone described him as 'brute trying to be a gentleman'--and I agree. The general public would never ever had accepted Brosnan behaving like Craig's Bond--even if it had been his first outing.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Had any other actor done many of the things that Craig did in Casino Royale I would have thought 'what an a/hole!' and hated the film.

[tdalton]

The more and more I think about it, had Casino Royale been made much as it was with Daniel Craig in the role, back in 1995 with Brosnan in the lead, it could have been a very interesting film. I think that if they had gone with a rougher around the edges Bond for Brosnan's first outing, that he could have exceled in such a role.

[broadshoulder]

The more and more I think about it, had Casino Royale been made much as it was with Daniel Craig in the role, back in 1995 with Brosnan in the lead, it could have been a very interesting film. I think that if they had gone with a rougher around the edges Bond for Brosnan's first outing, that he could have exceled in such a role.

I'm sorry but Brosnan never had the acting chops to bring this off..

The role in Casino Royale needed a man who is getting to grips with his life/profession. A blunt instrument who is to be honed and still developing his skills and making mistakes as he went along. At this point Bond is a green SAS man learning to build up his shell..

Dalton could do it. Early Connery could do it. But Brosnan was too smoothe and his acting is a little too wooden to pull it off.Certainly he isnt the powerhouse machine that is Craig..

Edited by broadshoulder, 19 January 2008 - 10:33 PM.

[tdalton]

The more and more I think about it, had Casino Royale been made much as it was with Daniel Craig in the role, back in 1995 with Brosnan in the lead, it could have been a very interesting film. I think that if they had gone with a rougher around the edges Bond for Brosnan's first outing, that he could have exceled in such a role.

I'm sorry but Brosnan never had the acting chops to bring this off..

The role in Casino Royale needed a man who is getting to grips with his life/profession. A blunt instrument who is to be honed and still developing his skills and making mistakes as he went along. At this point Bond is a green SAS man learning to build up his shell..

Dalton could do it. Early Connery could do it. But Brosnan was too smoothe and his acting is a little too wooden to pull it off.Certainly he isnt the powerhouse machine that is Craig..

I think that Brosnan could have done it, and could have done a very good job. The reason that his Bond wasn't particularly good was because he was let down time and time again by the scripts. He was very good in The Tailor of Panama, and if he had been allowed to play Bond more like that, he could have been very good. I always like to see actors play against the style that they're often associated with, so part of it is just me wanting to see Brosnan get the opportunity to play Bond a little closer to what Fleming wrote on the page rather than what he had to play him as in his four films.

[jaguar007]

It is a funny picture, I'm sure Righty did not mean to offend anyone or cause any harm. Much like Adam Sandler doing the CR spoof in his movie (knowing he does not have Craig's physique) or any Will Ferrell movie where he takes his clothes off. It is meant as humor and parody, Righty is not intending to offend anyone.

Thank you.

Here's how Dan would look in On Her Majesty's Secret Service:

Fair enough.

But Craig doesn't look that bad coming out of the sea, does he?

I think the point I - and perhaps others - were making is that most CBNers squealed when craignotbond.com put out unfavourable shots of their hero to be.

And CBNers have consistently made great play of their superiority to thecraignotbond.com trolls as "true" Bond fans.

And here we are reduced to the same level by bashing Brozza's appearance...

Plus ca change.

No one calls it Connery bashing when people discuss how out of shape he looked in DAF. What is the difference?

[Jim]

He looks in pretty decent shape given that he's on holiday.

The shorts, however, are a fright.

[David Schofield]

It is a funny picture, I'm sure Righty did not mean to offend anyone or cause any harm. Much like Adam Sandler doing the CR spoof in his movie (knowing he does not have Craig's physique) or any Will Ferrell movie where he takes his clothes off. It is meant as humor and parody, Righty is not intending to offend anyone.

Thank you.

Here's how Dan would look in On Her Majesty's Secret Service:

Fair enough.

But Craig doesn't look that bad coming out of the sea, does he?

I think the point I - and perhaps others - were making is that most CBNers squealed when craignotbond.com put out unfavourable shots of their hero to be.

And CBNers have consistently made great play of their superiority to thecraignotbond.com trolls as "true" Bond fans.

And here we are reduced to the same level by bashing Brozza's appearance...

Plus ca change.

No one calls it Connery bashing when people discuss how out of shape he looked in DAF. What is the difference?

But of course there is justification in bashing Connery in DAF - he was meant to be playing James Bond - and consequently should have been in condition!

This is different to criagnotbond.com carefully selecting shots of Craig at his worst - when he was not remotely intending to be James Bond - and taking the piss. And CBNers publishing shots of an overweight Brozza (again not pretending to be James Bond)for the sake of a snigger just to pat themselves on the back for having Craig in CR and not Pierce.

[Royal Dalton]

Brozza and his missus both look fine to me.

I still took the joke in the spirit it was intended, though.

[baerrtt]

The more and more I think about it, had Casino Royale been made much as it was with Daniel Craig in the role, back in 1995 with Brosnan in the lead, it could have been a very interesting film. I think that if they had gone with a rougher around the edges Bond for Brosnan's first outing, that he could have exceled in such a role.

I'm sorry but Brosnan never had the acting chops to bring this off..

The role in Casino Royale needed a man who is getting to grips with his life/profession. A blunt instrument who is to be honed and still developing his skills and making mistakes as he went along. At this point Bond is a green SAS man learning to build up his shell..

Dalton could do it. Early Connery could do it. But Brosnan was too smoothe and his acting is a little too wooden to pull it off.Certainly he isnt the powerhouse machine that is Craig..

I think that Brosnan could have done it, and could have done a very good job. The reason that his Bond wasn't particularly good was because he was let down time and time again by the scripts. He was very good in The Tailor of Panama, and if he had been allowed to play Bond more like that, he could have been very good. I always like to see actors play against the style that they're often associated with, so part of it is just me wanting to see Brosnan get the opportunity to play Bond a little closer to what Fleming wrote on the page rather than what he had to play him as in his four films.

The character in THE TAILOR OF PANAMA is completely unlikeable, a man who cares for absolutely no one but himself. However dark one plays Bond he ultimately is still a hero and the material and Craig's acting accordingly brought this to the fore in CR, that this man was on some level a decent human being (just as Fleming wrote him to be complex and not one note). Pierce succeeds in roles that are entirely against type. Does anyone seriously think that if Pierce played Bond like his character in that movie the audience (particularly in the 90s) would have taken to him? Connery and Craig can (and have) play/played characters that on paper are completely unlikeable and somehow make us like them. Brosnan is a good actor but an unlikeable character played by him (and I've seen THE MATADOR as well) remains completely unlikeable until the final reel.

[Single-O-Seven]

I believe I read an interview - probably on this website - with Purvis and Wade wherein they stated their first CR script was intended for PB. It featured an aged Bond at the end of his career who falls in love with Vesper and realises there's more to lfie than what he's been doing - only to have her betray him and get taken away from him at the end. Though I'm pleased with DC and his film, a part of me is still intrigued by the initial idea, and what PB could have done with it. It probably would have been an excellent final Bond film for him, and as it seemed to have offered the grey areas of Bond's character that PB desperately wanted to play - but rarely got the chance to - I think we would have seen him do something quite interesting with the role.

People can bash PB all they want now. I agree that DC is better in the part, as he's closer to the Bond I always liked, but when PB was Bond not many people complained about it. In fact, most seemed to enjoy him in the part. There were faults, but I'd say it was the lacking quality of the scripts, and not PB's acting. He had some strong moments as Bond - ie, the Kaufmann scene in TND. Had the scripts been stronger and presented more such moments and less explosive, over-the-top, time filler action scenes, more of us would have been left with a stronger impression of just what PB could bring to the role. PB brought Bond back to life and kept him alive into the 21st century, and paved the way for the Golden Era that DC is now delivering to us. Just remember how you felt when PB appeared as Bond for the first time in GE - the first Bond movie in six years - and write him a nice letter thanking him for that rush of excitement, and for keeping Bond alive.

[killkenny kid]

Indeed, what he said!

[broadshoulder]

I believe I read an interview - probably on this website - with Purvis and Wade wherein they stated their first CR script was intended for PB. It featured an aged Bond at the end of his career who falls in love with Vesper and realises there's more to lfie than what he's been doing - only to have her betray him and get taken away from him at the end. .

Can you provide a link to this?

Because to be honest it sounds like tosh. I thought the producers from the word go wanted to do CR as serious as it was in the novel. And as it was a restart just couldnt fit Brosnan in. I thought Barbara Broccoli had gone on record about it many times and it was the first thing she thought of was Bond at the beginning of his career.

I'm sorry but the novel source and the film are the metamorphosis of Bond. Him finding his feet. I dont see how an older actor such as Brosnan would have worked. But I'd love to see the article. If its true then Purvis and Wade really were away with the fairies when it comes to writing Bond screenplays..

[Harmsway]

I believe I read an interview - probably on this website - with Purvis and Wade wherein they stated their first CR script was intended for PB. It featured an aged Bond at the end of his career who falls in love with Vesper and realises there's more to lfie than what he's been doing - only to have her betray him and get taken away from him at the end.

I thought I'd followed all the P&W interviews very closely, and I don't recall anything like this, though I thought I'd read comments to the contrary. If you (or anyone else) can find a source, I'd be very grateful.

There were faults, but I'd say it was the lacking quality of the scripts, and not PB's acting. He had some strong moments as Bond - ie, the Kaufmann scene in TND. Had the scripts been stronger and presented more such moments and less explosive, over-the-top, time filler action scenes, more of us would have been left with a stronger impression of just what PB could bring to the role.

I personally think the "dramatic" Bond moments are Brosnan's weakest.

[Bondian]

Wish I was that slim. Had that shape about 10 years ago, and now I'm 47.

[00Twelve]

Cartoonish.

[JamesCraig]

We'll never know.

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