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[1q2w3e4r]

I don't know if they will or won't be, but i'd like to put forward an arguement for their inclusion.

I was just checking out various ratings and this is the rating for OO7's new "rival" XXX

MPAA Rating: PG-13 for violence, non-stop action sequences, sensuality, drug content and language..

Drug content, language and sensuality?

Drugs and language will not we all know feature in DAD.

However, I think that the scenes with frost and jinx should be included. This being a Bond film, we can be assured they would have been filmed tastefully and with a touch of class and style to them.

The thing that worries me, is that with the recent articles about this issue in the UK press the producers may in fact ease off pushing these scenes through into the final cut. I think that this would be a huge mistake.

Yes, Bond films are seen by young audiences. As is evident by the 007 spy files magazines. That's great that they want to bring in younger viewers. However, Bond films have never and should never be films for kids, that's what "Spy Kids" is for.. They should be films kids can see, whether with their parents, or other friends.

I don't know an 10 or 11 year old who goes to see films by themselves, so most of these will be accompanied by a parent or adult. 12-13 year olds, well lets be honest, two simply "sex" scenes in a film aren't going to really open their eyes and scare them, compared with the violence that passes in these ratings these scences should definantly be included.

Im a little concerned also that the producers will as I said ease off these scenes and we may hope to get them as extra deleted scenes on the DVD. This I feel would also be wrong, I WANT these scenes included, and at the very least i would expect a "directors cut" DVD version with all of these scenes uncut and fully incorporated into the film.

Bond changed audience perceptions for ever in 1962. A good quote springs to mind "British cinema will never be the same." How right this person was. And if Terrance Young could get past the sensors a young Sean Connery shooting Professor Dent dead, in the back and in cold blood, then for my money these scenes better be included.

Bond is supposed to be a womaniser, let audiences see him in action. Lee's right, I want to see this, if only for pure advancement of the series. It's a shocking change that would get long standing fans sitting up and taking notice. Imagine the talk around the water cooler about that. MGM and the producers should note, this would help promotion of the film in the best possible way. Between people interacting with each other. Everyone knows how much stink a three second scene in Swordfish turned up. Imagine the talk about this.

Shock your audience. Shock them, doesn't mean alienate them. Dr No shocked people, shocked critics. People were outraged with the violence in this film when it was released. Filming a herse full of people going over a cliff and exploding into a fireball, and the above mentioned scene... speaks volumes really.

Finally, please if there's a drama with the sensor, make the tough decision and put it on screen. Yes, it may hurt box office take, but the publicity and word of mouth surrounding it will certinally not. Give us fan's something memorable (as I'm sure the whole film will be).

I don't know what fans think about this, if everyone or a most is with it, maybe we should get ol' Zencat to get it sent to his "friends" at MGM like what happened before. Why be quiet, I'm sure they won't take offence. Were showing interest in the film.

Well its up to you....

[Mister Asterix]

Well said. And remember PG13 doesn't keep pre-teens from seeing the film, it just makes them drag along their parents. That's another ticket sale right there.

[HUNTER C.]

I will really look foward to this one even more if they take that extra step by showing the sex scenes. I'm glad that Lee Tamahori is so enthusiastic about pushing this film to be fresh and different than the "average Bond film". If he's successful then I would hope and pray they have him back for Bond 21, 22 and on.

[Colonel Moon]

more sex please

[zencat]

Mixed feelings here. While I'd like to see the Bond films push the sexual envelope, I don't think a steamy "traditional" sex scene is really the best--or most Bondian--way to do it. I like it when they add a dash of fetish or kink to create a character or situation that could only exist in a Bond film (or book). Like the stream bath "fight" in GoldenEye, or the torture chair scene in TWINE. The entire idea of having an assassin, like Xenia, who gets sexual pleasure from killing I thought was very daring and sexy. Give me another belly dancer scene like we had in FRWL...or have the Bond girl in a bikini for the last 30 mins of the movie for no good reason (YOLT, DAF, TSWLM, TMWTGG). I prefer playful teasing and seduction within the context of Bondian action than a scene of Pierce boinking some bimbo in a bed. Ironically, a

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

Nay on anymore girls in bikinis for the last 30 minutes for no good reason, especially since 3 of the 4 are some of my my least favorite films. And XXX wasn't in a bikini she was in, as someone pointed out on the AJB forums, a forerunner to Carrie Fisher's Jabba The Hut dance slave outfit.

And for some strange reason I find a scene like Bond and the Danish professor rolling around in the sheets playfully far more titallating than 2 fighting gypsy girls, a belly dancer or bikini clad bimbos hitting switches or hiding tapes with/in their bikini clad bottoms. But then that could just be b/c of my lack of a Y chromosome.

Yes the sauna scene and the torture scene were erotic in a torture fight/scene context but PG-13 pushing (not R rated) sex scene, that expand a bit on what we got with Bond/Danish Prof, Bond/Electra, Bond/Paris would be most welcome by me. Xenia/Admiral went much farther than any Bond sex scene, and who really wanted to see the Admiral in the throws of ectasy? Anyone? Sure he dies but it's just not fair that the Admiral gets more action on screen than Bond.

Of course as you say "normal" sex/love scenes seem to bother the censors more than sex or nudity that's displayed in a more cheesy, joking, or even violent manner. And that's just bizarre.

[zencat]

Originally posted by Mourning Becomes Electra
And for some strange reason I find a scene like Bond and the Danish professor rolling around in the sheets playfully far more titallating than 2 fighting gypsy girls, a belly dancer or bikini clad bimbos hitting switches or hiding tapes with/in their bikini clad bottoms.   But then that could just be b/c of my lack of a Y chromosome.

Touch

[14 20 02]

I would like the scenes to be kept in the film. My reasons are this it is the 40th anniversary and they should do something cool and change it a bit. Everyone knows that Bond is a womansier so you should expect these scenes to be in a Bond film. Look at GoldenEye with Xenia and the admiral they kept that in why not Bond's sex scenes. Tamohori has just spoken about Brosnan and Halle Berry bonking away so that must mean the scene with them two is the most rauchiest!

[IrishCrown]

If he does any boinking, does this mean the Swiss Army will get his long wished for request to have Bond use condoms?

[Double-Oh-Zero]

I have mixed feelings about these scenes being left in the film. On one hand, it's something new and exciting. On the other hand, it may harm Bond's reputation.

Picture this: a nine or ten year old has just gotten into Bond, and seen a few of the less raunchier films. So when he asks his parents to take him to see the brand new Bond film, his parents are unaware that the topless chick from Swordfish and Monster's Ball is actually being shagged (again) in this one. The parents get the wrong idea from this film and forbid their son/daughter to ever see Bond films till they're 17 years old. See what I mean?

Another thing that comes to mind is how the audience will react to these scenes. I think when one of the early Connery film were released, the filmmakers said that there would be less gratuitous sex and violence in the next one. I can understand the violence, but the sex scenes are nothing compared to today's Bond films. And some of the people that saw them are still watching the films today, so they can decide the fate of the Bond series. All in all, I think the censors and editors should be careful with this one. Although I'm surprised they let Bond say "Screw" in that scene. Maybe they were prepping us for DAD. Still, the scenes would be okay on the DVD if they never make it to the final cut.

[Carver]

I read in a newspaper that the sex scenes in the ice palace could be cut, because the Queen is attending the premiere in London, I hope this isn't true.

[RayBros007]

Originally posted by HUNTER C.
I will really look foward to this one even more if they take that extra step by showing the sex scenes. I'm glad that Lee Tamahori is so enthusiastic about pushing this film to be fresh and different than the "average Bond film". If he's successful then I would hope and pray they have him back for Bond 21, 22 and on.

Right On Hunter! My sister and I are really looking foward to the Sex scene with Brosnan and Berry the most!!!

[IrishCrown]

Bond is going to shag sooner rather than later, I think.

[Roebuck]

Wasn't it Quentin Crisp who said that ''other peoples sex is boring''?
I tend to agree with him. It's not much of a spectator sport.
The Bond films get the balance just about right IMHO.

[Mister Asterix]

To quote one of the actors who has played James Bond:

I see nothing wrong with sex between two consenting adults. As long as I'm the one who's between them.

-Woody Allen

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

Mister * was it necessary to quote Woody Allen talking about sex? Now that's something that should be censored. THE HORROR, THE HORROR. I'm going to have nightmares!

[JimmyBond]

I really dont see what the big deal is, theres been more graphic sex scene on tv than what TAmahori is talking about. Particularly on Buffy the Vampire Slayer this season (yes yes, I watch that show, no jokes please).

If they can get away with it on TV, than I'm sure they can get away with it in a PG-13 rated movie.

[Mister Asterix]

Originally posted by JimmyBond (edited)
...Particularly on Buffy the Vampire Slayer this season...

Yeah, when Buffy and Spike were going at it hard and heavy when Buffy was invisible. Now, that was one the strangest thing I've ever seen on television.

[Roebuck]

Originally posted by JimmyBond
I really dont see what the big deal is, theres been more graphic sex scene on tv than what TAmahori is talking about. Particularly on Buffy the Vampire Slayer this season (yes yes, I watch that show, no jokes please).

Remember Tara and Willow in the back of Zander's ice cream van? Now that was sexy.

Anyway,the sex in Buffy is usually integral to move forward the plot. If Tamahori were planning to incorporate something of the sexual sadism from Fleming's books, I could see the necessity of being more graphic. Doubt either EON or MGM would go for that though.

[Doubleshot]

I think the Brosnan films have taken steps to be sexier as the film's progress. Xenia Onnatop, the hotel room scene with Paris, and Christmas in the submarine (you know what I'm talking about ) are all proof of that. I'm not sure I want to see Bond boinking away, but I also wouldn't protest against it. The most classic Bond films are the ones that had something new that hadn't been done before - the early films, The Spy Who Loved Me, dare I say Moonraker (James Bond in outer space - though the film isn't very well-liked - especially by me - it was something new for Bond), and License to Kill. From the looks of it so far, it doesn't look like the film really needs it, but who are we to say that when we know so little about it?

[00Kevin]

hmm, good points

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

Tara and Willow... never sexy... too much irritating baby talk. Buffy and Spike... just nasty with the zipper and squeaking leather. (I won't even go into the sight of Spike's bony pale body afterwards...shudder) I'm sure Tamahori and Bond could do something far more appealing than that. I'd like to see something erotic, fun and sensual, they can keep raunchy and tacky on the WB.

As for it being part of the characterization and plot, Bond is a hedonist, and a sensualist, let's do more than just hint at it for once. It can be done without going into R rated territory.

Regarding the earlier concerns of scaring off 9 year olds, Bond is rated PG-13 and 12, it's not meant for 9 year olds. Yes some 9 year olds may still enjoy it but they are not the predominant target audience. The rating is there as guidance for parents, they should know what their child can take or what they want to expose their child to.

MBE (I think I just Buffy de-lurked.... oh my gawd)

[Roebuck]

Mock Tara and Willow if you must...
...but if you wake up tomorrow and find you've tuned into a toad or something, don't blame me!!

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

Tara and Willow ... ooh lets get a kitten and call her Miss KittyIttyLumpykins... the most sickeningly cutesy lesbians witches on the planet.... (luckily for me one's dead and the other should be on her way to prison or the loony bin, or should be )

MBE (now seriously off topic, my apologies)

[Roebuck]

I remember this one time, at Bond camp...

[JimmyBond]

Bringing up Buffy was not meant to say thats how I wanted Bond to be. I was merely pointing out that this kind of stuff is regurlarly shown on network television, and to cut it out of a PG-13 rated film would be a ludicrous.

On the subject of Tara and Willow, I'm sure its hard to write a convincing lesbian relationship As for Buffy and Spike, the whole point of the affair was to show that Buffy had sunk to a new low, so you were supposed to be grossed out by it.

[Mourning Becomes Electra]

Jimmy, oh I understood I was just responding to Roebuck's posting that the sex scene with Spike/Buffy was integral but any in Bond would most likely not be. I didn't find it integral and worse I didn't find it entertaining. If their intention was to gross me out it worked, unfortunately looking at some Buffy boards the consensus seems to be it's a great relationship with hot sex scenes. But yes they get away with alot on TV, and this is a show that aired at the 8pm hour aimed mainly at the teen set. Compare and contrast to Bond films aired at 8 where they colored in bra straps on Plenty O'Toole. Bizarre double standards.

But yes it shows that Bond should be able to go farther than they have an still retain a PG-13 rating, unless the double standards rear their heads again with the MPAA which they are prone to do. Titanic has nudity and got rated PG-13, LOTR had sometimes gruesome violence and was PG-13. Somehow I don't think Bond would be granted the same leeway to the same extent.

And Roebuck... shhh....you promised not to bring that up.