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[JimmyBond]

Comingsoon.net has an interesting article that might possibly shed light on the teaser sequence. At first I thought it was just the standard "Jesper Christensen returns for Bond 22" news story that is making the rounds. And while it is, it does have an added bit that I had'nt read before:

The actor said that his character would endure 007's interrogation methods at the beginning of the film. So, as Paul Haggis said, the movie literally picks up 2 minutes later.

Interesting

[deth]

hmmm could be interesting if true... I don't recall Bond ever torturing anybody really, save for Moore twisting an arm...

[Harmsway]

I thought this was already posted. Ah, well. If you missed it, Jimmy, then many others missed it as well, so maybe it should get its own thread.

[JimmyBond]

Yeah, I missed it (ironically read it in another thread after posting this). It's up to the mods what they want to do with it, but like you said, if I missed it, others might have as well.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Very cool. I didn't want to FF two years.

[Mike00spy]

I'm a bit wary.

The ending of CR was perfect. It needs to stand on its own.


The begining of Bond 22 can spoil it, though. I seriously hope it doesn't turn into an action scene where Mr White gets away. I don't even want the scene to even take place at the villa.

[sharpshooter]

The scene is good, but the potential of this scenario can not be overlooked. It finishes in a way that you want to see what happens next. If they jump a month or two in the future and only had dialogue of what took place, I would feel robbed.

[Mr_Wint]

I'm a bit wary.

The ending of CR was perfect. It needs to stand on its own.


The begining of Bond 22 can spoil it, though. I seriously hope it doesn't turn into an action scene where Mr White gets away. I don't even want the scene to even take place at the villa.

Couldn't agree more. Leave the ending in CR as it is and start Bond 22 as a fresh new Bondfilm.

[DamnCoffee]

Very cool. I didn't want to FF two years.

FF?

[00Twelve]

Fast Forward.

[MkB]

hmmm could be interesting if true... I don't recall Bond ever torturing anybody really, save for Moore twisting an arm...

Yes. Usually Bond is tortured, he is not a torturer. That would be a strange (and disturbing) twist of the character.

[Judo chop]

Not unexpected, but when it comes to Bond even expected things are fun!

[Publius]

I agree that starting off exactly where we left off is a bad idea. I think the awesomeness of CR's finale should forever stay intact. I do like that the PTS could be set right after it, but not in the same place at the same time. Maybe have Bond following a lead of Mr. White's somewhere in the world while thinking back to something he said, thereby letting us see Bond grill the guy while still giving us some action, suspense, and a good seque into the titles.

[Pussfeller]

For some reason I immediately imagine the beginning of DAF, with the quick cuts to Sean-Bond beating up various people in his search for Blofeld. I imagine Craig-Bond subjecting White to a vague, impersonal torture scene in which White confesses various names, the scene being interspersed with quick shots of Bond beating up these individuals, or searching for them. In my imagination, it isn't obvious who is beating White up. He's just being beaten up and a deep voice is asking him questions.

Not that it'll be anything like that. My point is just that even if the torture scene starts the film, it might be some sort of preemptive flashback, existing outside the plot. It won't be a "Last week on James Bond..." situation.

I suspect we'll discover that the maiming of Mr. White was not what it seemed to be. A detail will be revealed that will entirely change the way we perceive that scene.

Also, I don't think the producers would ever create a film that can't stand alone as a complete story unto itself. If the first scene feels like a continuation - if anything feels like a continuation - of something started in CR, the film will be defective, and I suspect the producers know this. So while CR may be transformed by the events of B22, I doubt if B22 will be in any way illuminated by the events of CR. If that makes sense.

It's just as likely that Jesper Christensen is mistaken, or exaggerating, or boasting emptily.

[shady ginzo]

I like this. infact, I have long since fantacised of it. This almost perfectly sums up my "fan dream" of Bond 22's introduction (although on reflection it was hardly beyond the realms of immagination)

I see why people are criticising the fact it risks "ruining" the cliff-hanger and the wonder at the end of Casino Royale, but lets not forget that both those elements exist in film to get people back for the sequel, to not answer them would be, as someone has already said, robbing the viewer. I have no problem with them finishing off what they started, so long as it is done to the same standard as the first film (or is that 21st film...? you never can tell nowadays...)

I am still looking forward to Bond 22's opening wide shot of Bond standing over Mister White, with his rifle poised in his elbow.

Lets just hope "bond's interrogation methods" don't just cut and paste a Jack Bauer interrogation from 24, that would not be classy. I'm not saying they should make it tame, infact I wouldn't mind if they made it even more brutal than one of Bauer's tortures, I just hope it introduces a new take on "interrogation" which would reflect what bond has been through.

[Harmsway]

I see why people are criticising the fact it risks "ruining" the cliff-hanger and the wonder at the end of Casino Royale, but lets not forget that both those elements exist in film to get people back for the sequel, to not answer them would be, as someone has already said, robbing the viewer.

Not true. The scenes don't really exist as a shameless sequel set-up. The exist as the fulfillment of a character arc for James Bond. If BOND 22 ultimately took places years after CASINO ROYALE and never wrapped up any of those story threads, CASINO ROYALE would stand just fine.

I am still looking forward to Bond 22's opening wide shot of Bond standing over Mister White, with his rifle poised in his elbow.

It might not open right there. If we're going to take Haggis' comments literally, he said that BOND 22 picks up "two minutes" after CASINO ROYALE. Which indicates that we're not going to recap what we saw at the end of CASINO ROYALE, just pick it up right afterwards.

[dinovelvet]

It might not open right there. If we're going to take Haggis' comments literally, he said that BOND 22 picks up "two minutes" after CASINO ROYALE. Which indicates that we're not going to recap what we saw at the end of CASINO ROYALE, just pick it up right afterwards.

Yes I hope it is not a literal two minutes. A gun battle at Mr.White's house sounds ridiculous and something out of a fanboy script, and ultimately it would undermine the cool of CR's ending. You'd never be able to watch that fantastic ending again without knowing that, say, there are some hidden gunmen watching Bond, and an action scene is about to start.
My idea would be to have it start at MI6 with Bond bringing in White.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Personally, I hope they reuse the last few minutes at the villa for the PTS in Bond 22; it'd be a nice little tie-in to the prior film, as well as kick start the new film. Just my opinion, though.

[stamper]

I think the PTS will probably show Bond killing various people, and that the torture of Mr White to confess will be intercut with those in quick shots, just like the opening teaser of CR. Oh, and in black and white too. They should follow up with the black and white idea, it was great.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

Don't really agree with you, Stamper.

The B&W was great in Casino Royale, but I would like to return to normality in Bond 22

[sharpshooter]

I disagree with him on that as well. The black and white was symbolic for Casino Royale only. It has no place in any Bond film from now.

[Righty007]

I disagree with him on that as well. The black and white was symbolic for Casino Royale only. It has no place in any Bond film from now.

Right. The B&W symbolized James Bond as a non-00 agent.

[Royal Dalton]

Maybe they'll shoot the pre-title sequence in colour, and the rest of the film in black and white?

[Vauxhall]

Maybe they'll shoot the pre-title sequence in colour, and the rest of the film in black and white?

Now that would certainly annoy/perplex a fair few people!

[HawkEye007]

Right on! I was hoping the teaser would be something like this. Now I don't necessarily think the Bond should be using Jack Bauer-esque techiniques, just rough him up a little bit . Craig is a tougher, grittier Bond. Putting some intense pressure on Mr. White shouldn't be a problem for him.

[deth]

"Do you expect me to talk?"

"NO Mr. White I expect you to die!!"

[Mr. Blofeld]

"I thought you died in Venice."

"Yes; this is my second life."

"You only live twice, Mr. White."

[mcdonbb]

Personally, I hope they reuse the last few minutes at the villa for the PTS in Bond 22; it'd be a nice little tie-in to the prior film, as well as kick start the new film. Just my opinion, though.

I kind of like that idea although I know its not going to happen. It would give ownership to the new film and some weird way for me leave the mystique of the CR ending.

maybe refilm it though with different angles and a jag ZF drive up.

one more point wouldnt it be strange if Bond interrogated White using some of the torture techniques from CR minus a naked White.

kinda makes me smile just thinking about it (even though it was e that actually saved Bond" I could just here some guy behind me in the theater saying "ah dude..."

[mcdonbb]

Personally, I hope they reuse the last few minutes at the villa for the PTS in Bond 22; it'd be a nice little tie-in to the prior film, as well as kick start the new film. Just my opinion, though.

I kind of like that idea although I know its not going to happen. It would give ownership to the new film and some weird way for me leave the mystique of the CR ending.

maybe refilm it though with different angles and a jag ZF drive up.

one more point wouldnt it be strange if Bond interrogated White using some of the torture techniques from CR minus a naked White.

kinda makes me smile just thinking about it (even though it was e that actually saved Bond" I could just here some guy behind me in the theater saying "ah dude..."

....for some reason I was censored...all I said was "even though it was Mr. White that actually saved Bond"

anyway...

[MR. BOND 93]

I'm excited.