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[HH007]

There's something Quentin seems to be forgetting here, Barbara and Michael have final say on everything regarding Bond. Yes, they value a director's input and are open to his ideas, but ultimately, it's all up to them. The Bond series is like television, the producers are the ones in charge. That's why when Quentin says, "I would've made it a period piece and shot it in Black & White." Well, only if Babs and Mike agreed to that, Quentin, which they, in all likelihood, would not have. Also, "I would've made it with Pierce Brosnan." Well, again, the producers have final say in casting, and if they decide it's time to recast Bond, then that's the way it's going to be.

As for the way Quentin comes across in this interview, he comes across like he usually does... like a big-headed, egotistical hole. Nothing new there.

[Trident]

Oh, c'mmon. This surely mustn't be taken so seriously. QT's ranting about spilled milk in the interview is showbusiness, a publicity stunt like a thousand others.

The general audience hears 'Bond' and goes to see his new film, based on the vague assumption they might catch a glimpse of what Tarantino had in mind (not that they will).

The few people genuinely interested in Bond discuss the gist of his visions and concept on sites like CBn, weighting pros and cons, exchanging arguments and sometimes insults with growing intensity, all sides constantly clamouring TARANTINO.

And the, even fewer, number of people that know Tarantino in person, privately or professionally, are confirmed in their perception what an excentric person QT is; the birthmark of a real artist, perhaps even a genius.

Which is just what Tarantino wanted to achieve.

[Doctor Shatterhand]

Say what you will, but I still think Tarantino would make a brilliant CR with Brosnan. He wanted to do this film and I 'm sure he 'd be willing to comply with the parameters Barbara referred to (if he wasn't, ignore this post completely, a pure-Tarntino Bond would not work). I watched Kill Bill I and II two days ago for the 10th time, and I still think there were inspired moments in the films which capture Fleming's spirit more than any Bond film we 've seen since the 60s. I 'm talking about cool, about sadism, about sexism, about brutality. Whatismore, it would end Brosnan's tenure on a high, it's sad that a potentially good Bond left without a single good film.

And, for what it's worth, I still don't buy the reboot thing. I 've read the book recently and there is no indication that Bond was that much of a novice or naive. And Vesper is not his first love, just because CR was the first book. All this fuss about Vesper is completely unjustified, especially in QoS. There is practically no mention of her in the LALD novel. It all removes the cool from Bond, resulting in dialogs like all the ones with Judi Dench's M involved.

Bond reflects on Vesper in the novel OHMSS. Vesper "was" his first love, but not his first score. The woman got to him in such a way that Fleming wrote about her briefly again 10 years later just as Tracy is speeding by him on the road.

As for Bond not being cool in QOS I have only this to say - DID YOU SEE THE FILM?

Brosnan could never come close to the acting skills that Craig exudes. After 4 forgetable OO7 films the producers knew they were on a runaway train heading for a cliff. Replacing Brosnan may have seemed outrageous at first, but it will probably be considered Barbara Broccoli's most brilliant move in her career, and Tarantino would not have given Brosnan that single good Bond he deserves, the man was not that good in the role, period.

[HildebrandRarity]

How can you take this guy seriously???

Well, here are six good reasons:

RESERVOIR DOGS

PULP FICTION

JACKIE BROWN

KILL BILL VOL. 1

KILL BILL VOL. 2

INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS (yes, I know none of us has seen it, but advance word is that it's terrific)

Tarantino is a genius of cinema. That said, though, I'm glad we had Eon's and Martin Campbell's CASINO ROYALE instead of Tarantino's CASINO ROYALE. Even if it had been an amazing film (as I'm sure would have been the case), I value the Eon series too much to see it stopped in its tracks by any one director's Personal Vision™. I love me my Bond and I love me my Quentin, but not together.

It's all a matter of opinon as sorking and others will tell you.

I find his films to be a curiosity and then virtually unwatchable after initial viewing. Others (i.e. the majority of ticket buyers world-wide) are less generous as they don't even bother paying to watch his stuff.

In addition, my comment was in context to his Main Page quotes.

Anyway, horses for courses my friend. Your six reasons really ought to be five because Kill Bill was...o well, i've said enough on it.

Here's hoping for some fresh news on Bond 23 so I can finally shift my focus on to something more positive on here!

[sorking]

How can you take this guy seriously???

Well, here are six good reasons:

RESERVOIR DOGS

PULP FICTION

JACKIE BROWN

KILL BILL VOL. 1

KILL BILL VOL. 2

INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS (yes, I know none of us has seen it, but advance word is that it's terrific)

Tarantino is a genius of cinema. That said, though, I'm glad we had Eon's and Martin Campbell's CASINO ROYALE instead of Tarantino's CASINO ROYALE. Even if it had been an amazing film (as I'm sure would have been the case), I value the Eon series too much to see it stopped in its tracks by any one director's Personal Vision™. I love me my Bond and I love me my Quentin, but not together.

Seriously, 'genius' cannot be applied to the ham-fisted, indulgent mess of Kill Bill. That second part is the dullest collection of stuff - twistless, actionless, vapid - the man's ever committed to film. And that includes Four Rooms. Certainly it really doesn't count as a reason to take the man seriously - commercially or critically.

'Genius' is a big word to throw around. Kubrick was a genius. DW Griffith. Spielberg. Hitchcock. QT used to make really good, entertaining - if rather shallow - films. That ain't genius, that's 'highly capable'. Mamet's a better writer, and you could name 20 better directors in under a minute. Let's not get carried away - enjoying a creative's work doesn't make that creative a genius.

Not that Fleming was a genius, either...

[Publius]

How would he have done this with Brosnan? Would Bond be a world-weary veteran of the Service in the twilight of his career, rather than a newly-minted 00 on his first major mission? Mulling this over, I think Craig would have been better at something like that anyway.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

With all due respect, I don't agree with anything you are saying, pgram. Suggesting that the entire Brosnan era is useless and that CR is a bad movie makes you a very unique person here on a James Bond fan site's message boards. You are most certainly entitled to your opinions, and you are entitled to express them on this site, but you may want to list these things on a different thread. If you are going somewhere with all of this that relates to the original topic, aside from what you said in your first post, I'm interested to read it.

With all due respect to you, I agree with everything pgram is saying.
In fact, Dench's inordinate amount of screentime used to be a favorite whipping boy subject around these parts.
Many of the same flaws of the Brosnan-era have only been amplified under the Craig tenure.
If saying so makes Pgram or me "very unique on a James Bond fan site's message board", so be it.
I think it's pretty cheap on your part to resort to such intimidation tactics to crowd out dissenting opinions.

[Roger Moore's Bad Facelift]

Brosnan could never come close to the acting skills that Craig exudes. After 4 forgetable OO7 films the producers knew they were on a runaway train heading for a cliff.

I have stated many times that Brosnan was one of the weaker actors to inhabit the tux, but this "runaway train" business is pure hyperbole. Even the most knee-jerk Brosnan hater has to admit that each film was profitable,and the general masses accepted him as 007. Craig may have more Juliard scenery-chewing prowess, but he didn't save the series from anything close to self-destruction. In fact, according to P & W, the original CR script wasn't even going to be a re-set. Like FYEO, it would simply have re-grounded things.

[Dekard77]

Brosnan could never come close to the acting skills that Craig exudes. After 4 forgetable OO7 films the producers knew they were on a runaway train heading for a cliff.

I have stated many times that Brosnan was one of the weaker actors to inhabit the tux, but this "runaway train" business is pure hyperbole. Even the most knee-jerk Brosnan hater has to admit that each film was profitable,and the general masses accepted him as 007. Craig may have more Juliard scenery-chewing prowess, but he didn't save the series from anything close to self-destruction. In fact, according to P & W, the original CR script wasn't even going to be a re-set. Like FYEO, it would simply have re-grounded things.

[Trident]

Craig may have more Juliard scenery-chewing prowess, but he didn't save the series from anything close to self-destruction. In fact, according to P & W, the original CR script wasn't even going to be a re-set. Like FYEO, it would simply have re-grounded things.

But that's hardly what matters with CR, is it? Fact is, the final CR script filmed was a re-set, and with good reason. Although it was a daring move it must have been the more attractive option for EON, or they wouldn't have chanced it.

[Jim]

Does seem to be going a bit far to be referring to runaway trains etc. If they had stayed with Mr Brosnan after Die Another Day, the film would have been successful financially.

[Tybre]

Tarantino is a genius of cinema.

I have to disagree. I think the man is talented, but nothing too spectacular when it comes to filmmaking. And my opinion of him tanks even further a la his tendency to be nothing shy of a in just about every interview I've seen/read. Which shouldn't really factor into it, but unless your work is positively breathtaking, if you're running around behaving like an , I've no interest in endorsing you. Geniuses of cinema? Those are the likes of Fritz Lang and Alfred Hitchcock. Hell, even David Lean I would call a cinematic genius, and that man was an even bigger than Tarantino.

[Dekard77]

Tarantino is modern film maker. He is definitely one the best around. His films don't appeal to everyone but there is some talent behind it. He does pay tribute to old school stars and style that's a part of his charm. Mind you some of the culture and tone in modern films today are taken from his initial movies. Also he made watching independent films fun and not seem low bugdet. Pulp Fiction and El Mariachi/Desperado explosion in the mid nineties encouraged big stars to be in independent films with cult references. So in a way he is kind of a genius.

[HildebrandRarity]

If they had stayed with Mr Brosnan after Die Another Day, the film would have been successful financially.

Possibly...May be...Probably not definitively.

If we look back at Brosnan Bonds, each was getting costlier to produce (aided, partially, by his ever-elevating salary demands) so I don't think Bond 21 would have been nearly as successful with him as it turned out to be without him.

The buzz/publicity surrounding the change and the critical acclaim, not to mention the buffed-up torso, of the new lead surely aided in ramping up the ticket sales outside the US.

TWINE, for instance, was borderline break-even upon release. Another 'Drama Bond' with Brosnan could have been a financial nail, so to speak.

We'll never know. What we do know is CR was significantly more successful financially than TWINE and Die Another Day. GoldenEye, mind, was very successful financially followed by Tomorrow Never Dies...but a Drama Bond with an old Pierce could have been a nightmare for the studios, imo.

[DR76]

Pierce Brosnan has not portrayed Bond in seven years. He is gone. His time as 007 is over at the moment. Isn't it time to move on?

Also, Quentin Tarantino is an excellent filmaker and I'm looking forward to his new movie. But I'm also getting sick and tired of him beating this old horse about what direction he would have taken the Bond franchise. On that regard, he is getting on my last nerve.

"Quentin, shut the hell up and focus on your new movie!"