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[Blabbermouth]

Having recently bought Moonraker UE I was watching the "Ken Adam's Production Film" of Moonraker. At some point there is a small clip from aboard a boat where Roger Moore is standing in a pair of shorts. I was shocked to see the physical condition of his torso!

Now I know that Moore has been the least fit of all the actors playing Bond, but this still came as a shock. It actually looked like someone had plasted a belly and manboobs on him - remiscent of Tim Allen in the Santa Claus films. I'm beginning to understand why The Man with the Golden Gun was the last time we saw Moore with his shirt on.

Has anyone else seen this?

[Head of S]

Now I know that Moore has been the least fit of all the actors playing Bond, but this still came as a shock. It actually looked like someone had plasted a belly and manboobs on him - remiscent of Tim Allen in the Santa Claus films. I'm beginning to understand why The Man with the Golden Gun was the last time we saw Moore with his shirt on.

Has anyone else seen this?

Yes, I have also seen The Man With The Golden Gun.

[DamnCoffee]

I'm beginning to understand why The Man with the Golden Gun was the last time we saw Moore with his shirt on.

I think your'e forgetting AVTAK, in the hot tub and in May Days bed - his physique seemed ok then, even though he was 57

[Blabbermouth]

I'm beginning to understand why The Man with the Golden Gun was the last time we saw Moore with his shirt on.

I think your'e forgetting AVTAK, in the hot tub and in May Days bed - his physique seemed ok then, even though he was 57

Yeah his physique looks better in AVTAK than in Moonraker and FYEO, but still he is covered in AVTAK, making LALD and TMWTGG the only movies where you see a full torso frontal.

[autquisest]

Well, Moore

[dodge]

What a difference a year makes? Just finished watching Moore in a fun little WWII flick called Sea Wolves, released in 1980...one year after MR. I was about to post this elsewhere but it seems relevant here. The film's an ensemble piece, featuring Gregory Peck (with a British accent), Moore, David Niven, Trevor Howard. A sort of not-so-dirty dozen based on actual events. Moore's in about half the film--and he is terrific.

Check the film out if you want to see Moore successfully doing a far grittier take on his Bond role. First off, he appears to be in excellent shape. He isn't hardbodied like Craig, nor does he have hubba-hubba biceps. But he's trim enough and toned. Manboobs? Naw, a softer-looking chest than that of a guy who pumps iron.

Here's a two-fisted, neck-snapping 'Bond', charming as the devil--yet able to get down to business in the blink of an eye, including coldbloodedly killing a treacherous femme fatale.

[LadySylvia]

Having recently bought Moonraker UE I was watching the "Ken Adam's Production Film" of Moonraker. At some point there is a small clip from aboard a boat where Roger Moore is standing in a pair of shorts. I was shocked to see the physical condition of his torso!

Now I know that Moore has been the least fit of all the actors playing Bond, but this still came as a shock. It actually looked like someone had plasted a belly and manboobs on him - remiscent of Tim Allen in the Santa Claus films. I'm beginning to understand why The Man with the Golden Gun was the last time we saw Moore with his shirt on.

Has anyone else seen this?

Roger Moore was 50 or 51 years old when MOONRAKER was in production (1978). Why would you expect him to look like a bodybuilder. When Connery had filmed both YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE in 1966 and DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER in 1970, he didn't look any better.


Is James Bond supposed to look like Mr. Olympus in order to be a spy? Has the sight of Daniel Craig's bulging muscles driven us to expect Bond to look like a bodybuilder?

Edited by LadySylvia, 05 July 2007 - 07:28 PM.

[Shaun Forever]

I might have to check that out, sounds like a great cast as well. I've got Wild Geese somewhere, was free with the paper about a year ago, still have not got round to watching it.



While on the subject, did Dalton ever take his top off?

[LadySylvia]

I might have to check that out, sounds like a great cast as well. I've got Wild Geese somewhere, was free with the paper about a year ago, still have not got round to watching it.



While on the subject, did Dalton ever take his top off?

Yes. In LICENSE TO KILL.

[David_M]

Sir Roger's struggled with his weight since childhood, so yes he looks fitter in some films (and TV shows) than others. But put me down as one fan who doesn't judge a Bond by his pecs.

Personally, I never was a fan of "beefcake" heroes or the films that celebrated them. Too often they come off as preening narcissists. I'm about halfway through the first season of "Wild Wild West" and it's turning into a drinking game waiting for Bob Conrad to lose his shirt.

The preoccupation with a "buff" Bond has nothing to do with Fleming and everything to do with hiring an ex-Mr Universe contestant for "Dr No". After Connery, every Bond has been judged to some degree on his physique and personally I think that's unfortunate. It's a testament to Moore's charm and charisma that he was so popular for so long (including the sex-crazed 70s) when, let's face it, even at his fittest (in LALD) he wasn't exactly "Playgirl" material.

Dalton wasn't impressive shirtless, either; if Roger was too doughy, Tim was too skinny and bird-chested. But in terms of build and weight, I'm betting Dalton was closest to Fleming's description of Bond...which if you'll read carefully was NOT "two hundred pounds of finely cut, rock-hard muscle."

[dodge]

Sir Roger's struggled with his weight since childhood, so yes he looks fitter in some films (and TV shows) than others. But put me down as one fan who doesn't judge a Bond by his pecs.

Personally, I never was a fan of "beefcake" heroes or the films that celebrated them. Too often they come off as preening narcissists. I'm about halfway through the first season of "Wild Wild West" and it's turning into a drinking game waiting for Bob Conrad to lose his shirt.

The preoccupation with a "buff" Bond has nothing to do with Fleming and everything to do with hiring an ex-Mr Universe contestant for "Dr No". After Connery, every Bond has been judged to some degree on his physique and personally I think that's unfortunate. It's a testament to Moore's charm and charisma that he was so popular for so long (including the sex-crazed 70s) when, let's face it, even at his fittest (in LALD) he wasn't exactly "Playgirl" material.

Dalton wasn't impressive shirtless, either; if Roger was too doughy, Tim was too skinny and bird-chested. But in terms of build and weight, I'm betting Dalton was closest to Fleming's description of Bond...which if you'll read carefully was NOT "two hundred pounds of finely cut, rock-hard muscle."

You've raised an interesting point here. I'm thrilled by Craig's achievement. But at the same time I have some concerns. Part of a spy's effectiveness is his ability to blend in. A cruel-looking motherbleeper with a ripped monster physique is far more limited in the number of guises he can assume. From the start, I've advocated that Dan de-bulkin 22 or 23. The same way Stallone did for Rocky 3, when Rock had been at the game a good while.

Verdict: Con's Bondbod is the hulkiest.
Craig's Bondbod is the hunkiest.
Laz's and Dalton's are the most realistic: solid and lithe-looking. Naturally athletic.
Laz, in particular, quietly ripples beneath a shirt shirt.
Moore's Bondbod: better dressed than undressed, but either way in shape enough to play a seasoned, older spy.

[darkpath]

The height and weight Fleming gave for Bond are more consistent with a long distance runner than anything else I can think of. At least in Roger's early outings, he somewhat looked the part.

[Thunderfinger]

The height and weight Fleming gave for Bond are

the same as mine. But Craig is probably a better Bond than me, anyway.
Moore was hired for his screen charisma, not his physique.

[Spurrier]

Having recently bought Moonraker UE I was watching the "Ken Adam's Production Film" of Moonraker. At some point there is a small clip from aboard a boat where Roger Moore is standing in a pair of shorts. I was shocked to see the physical condition of his torso!

Now I know that Moore has been the least fit of all the actors playing Bond, but this still came as a shock. It actually looked like someone had plasted a belly and manboobs on him - remiscent of Tim Allen in the Santa Claus films. I'm beginning to understand why The Man with the Golden Gun was the last time we saw Moore with his shirt on.

Has anyone else seen this?

Roger Moore was 50 or 51 years old when MOONRAKER was in production (1978). Why would you expect him to look like a bodybuilder. When Connery had filmed both YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE in 1966 and DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER in 1970, he didn't look any better.


Is James Bond supposed to look like Mr. Olympus in order to be a spy? Has the sight of Daniel Craig's bulging muscles driven us to expect Bond to look like a bodybuilder?

I was thinking the same thing. And Connery was at leat 10 years younger making those movies than RM in Moonraker. Pierce was about Roger's age when making DAD. I don't believe his physique was any better than Rog's was. Like someone else said, Roger Moore was hired for his charisma, not his physique. And based on the box office results.....great move by Cubby and Harry.

[00Twelve]

'Roger Moore was 50 or 51 years old when MOONRAKER was in production (1978). Why would you expect him to look like a bodybuilder. When Connery had filmed both YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE in 1966 and DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER in 1970, he didn't look any better.

Is James Bond supposed to look like Mr. Olympus in order to be a spy? Has the sight of Daniel Craig's bulging muscles driven us to expect Bond to look like a bodybuilder?

I was thinking the same thing. And Connery was at leat 10 years younger making those movies than RM in Moonraker. Pierce was about Roger's age when making DAD. I don't believe his physique was any better than Rog's was. Like someone else said, Roger Moore was hired for his charisma, not his physique. And based on the box office results.....great move by Cubby and Harry.

I'm not wanting to split hairs, and I'm not baiting anybody, but two points:

a) Connery indeed didn't look right for the part in his last film (or two, depending upon whom you ask), and Rog didn't fit the physicality for about 80% of the time, either. The producers could have pushed them to get into better shape (not bodybuilder shape, but at least trim shape. Their body types are different than Laz' or Tim's or Broz', so I can't say just "get as trim as they were," but at least something a little closer to "trim." Those guys weren't "bodybuilders" in any way, but they fit the description. Of course, by that point in Sean & Rog's tenures, they didn't really take Bond to be a serious character, anyway.

really not wanting to split hairs here, but yes, Broz was in better shape at his age in DAD. Check the scene when he's across the glass from M with no shirt. there's very little flab going on there.

[Blabbermouth]

Having recently bought Moonraker UE I was watching the "Ken Adam's Production Film" of Moonraker. At some point there is a small clip from aboard a boat where Roger Moore is standing in a pair of shorts. I was shocked to see the physical condition of his torso!

Now I know that Moore has been the least fit of all the actors playing Bond, but this still came as a shock. It actually looked like someone had plasted a belly and manboobs on him - remiscent of Tim Allen in the Santa Claus films. I'm beginning to understand why The Man with the Golden Gun was the last time we saw Moore with his shirt on.

Has anyone else seen this?

Roger Moore was 50 or 51 years old when MOONRAKER was in production (1978). Why would you expect him to look like a bodybuilder. When Connery had filmed both YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE in 1966 and DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER in 1970, he didn't look any better.


Is James Bond supposed to look like Mr. Olympus in order to be a spy? Has the sight of Daniel Craig's bulging muscles driven us to expect Bond to look like a bodybuilder?

I was thinking the same thing. And Connery was at leat 10 years younger making those movies than RM in Moonraker. Pierce was about Roger's age when making DAD. I don't believe his physique was any better than Rog's was. Like someone else said, Roger Moore was hired for his charisma, not his physique. And based on the box office results.....great move by Cubby and Harry.

Now hold on a minute, I never said anything about James Bond having to look like Mr. Olympus. What I do mean is that he should be somewhat trim.

I know that Fleming did not describe Bond as athletic but slim/slender build. This would make Dalton and Lazenby the ones who fit Fleming's view of Bond - a civil servant who while handsome blends into a crowd. Brosnan could also fit into this category, but I remember at the time of Goldeneye's release that some of the critics moaned about him looking to weak in comparison to the punches he threw around.

Now Connery in the first 3 films and Craig in CR looks very very fit, which better fits with the cinematic James Bond, who is a sort of blend between a spy and a SAS soldier.

Moore looked fit enough in Live and Let Die, but had already put on weight for The Man With The Golden Gun - IMO he still looked OK. But in Moonraker he has a waistline way to big IMO. I do know that Moore was 51 when filming Moonraker and I for one would be happy to look like that when I'm 50, but as have been stated before the producers could have insisted on a slimdown. In A View To A Kill Moore looks much more fit and this despite being 57 at the time. I'm one of Moore's greatest fans, so I'm very happy with his portrayal of Bond, just a pitty his waistline was not up to it in some of the movies.

[David Schofield]

Isn't the whole point of this that the Bond producers probably shouldn't be hiring actors to play the part after the age of, say, 42? And that, frankly, the producers have been far too soft - excuse the pun - with what they have allowed their stars get away with.

Fleming's Bond was lucky as he stayed permanently 38.

But even he had put weight on from that disclosed in the SMERSH dossier in FRWL to that which Bond mentions himself in YOLT.

[Keir]

And he spent a lot of time in the film in those tight black clothes with the unbuttoned shirt.

[HildebrandRarity]

It actually looked like someone had plasted a belly and manboobs on him ... I'm beginning to understand why The Man with the Golden Gun was the last time we saw Moore with his shirt on.

Has anyone else seen this?

Yes, I have also seen The Man With The Golden Gun.

Ya...facinating tit bit.

Luckily for Roger, God gave him two things which can't be improved upon by hitting the gym: Height and classicaly good looks.

I'd rather have had his face and height and worry about pumping iron later than the other way around.

Roger is a gentleman. Leave him alone!

[Judo chop]

There

[Thunderfinger]

Roger. Sorry… but he fails the test. I can beat him up. I know this.

Congratulations.Judochopping 80 year old ex-Bonds is a good way to impress the ladies.
I`ll beat up Brosnan when he turns 80 myself.

[mrsbonds_ppk]

Moore looked fit enough in Live and Let Die, but had already put on weight for The Man With The Golden Gun - IMO he still looked OK. But in Moonraker he has a waistline way to big IMO. I do know that Moore was 51 when filming Moonraker and I for one would be happy to look like that when I'm 50, but as have been stated before the producers could have insisted on a slimdown. In A View To A Kill Moore looks much more fit and this despite being 57 at the time. I'm one of Moore's greatest fans, so I'm very happy with his portrayal of Bond, just a pitty his waistline was not up to it in some of the movies.

Big deal...and unless my eyes are deceiving me it looked like he lost weight in TMWTGG.

BTW.. Judo, the man is not a fighter and I really don't think he has to be one. You think you can beat him up...you may be surprised with people like that. Don't take his gentleness and modesty for weakness.

[Judo chop]

BTW.. Judo, the man is not a fighter and I really don't think he has to be one. You think you can beat him up...you may be surprised with people like that. Don't take his gentleness and modesty for weakness.

I figure as long as I

[Santa]

This thread is becoming a bit weird.

Roger is hot, no question about it.

[Thunderfinger]

Yes, heat flashes is common in that age.

[Santa]

Yes, heat flashes is common in that age.

You should know, Thunderfinger...

[Thunderfinger]

I need a shower...

[Judo chop]

The Man With the Golden Shower, folks!!!

<loud applause>

[Santa]

I think I just threw up a little.

[Thunderfinger]

Need a shower?