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[DaveBond21]

So far I have noticed 2 differences between the theatrical version I saw in the cinema and the Australian DVD which I bought and watched last night.

Firstly - I was sure there was a Roeg-esque shot of the poisoned drink being brought over to Bond in the Casino. This seemed to be cut.

Secondly - I was certain in the cinema, there was a shot of Mr White retrieving the briefcase of money from the water in Venice. But it was gone last night on the DVD.

Can anyone help me with these? Those were the only changes I noticed - that, and the running time was less.

[freemo]

Don't know about those but I may have another one.

At the end of the scene where Mathis is carted off, I could have sworn that in the theatrical version (and I saw it in the theatre three times) Bond tips out the drink that Mathis gave him, which he doesn't do on the DVD version.

[DaveBond21]

Bond tips out the drink that Mathis gave him, which he doesn't do on the DVD version.

Interesting. You may have a point there. Hopefully someone else can help out with these...

[TheREAL008]

We never see Mr. White pick the briefcase out of the water in the final scenes. We're just lead to believe that he does somehow after the house sinks. Maybe one of the gunmen retrived it for Mr. White sicne we never see any of them get out of the water.

Same with Bond and the cup that Mathis hands him. He only holds it in his hands. As to wether he drinks it or throws it out is left to our speculation.

Edited by TheREAL008, 20 April 2007 - 12:52 AM.

[Harmsway]

There was never any shot of Mr. White retrieving the briefcase, neither in the film I saw, nor was such a moment in the December script. Furthermore, in some posts immediately after the movie had been released, people were asking how Mr. White got the money.

[DaveBond21]

OK, thanks. I must have imagined it.



What about the surreal moments surrounding the poisoned drink in the Casino? There was a thread where someone said how much they loved the shot from the tray's point of view. Or have I gone completely mad?

In any case, the running time on the Australian DVD seems about 2 or 3 mins less than the theatrical release.

[zencat]

There was never any shot of Mr. White retrieving the briefcase, neither in the film I saw, nor was such a moment in the December script. Furthermore, in some posts immediately after the movie had been released, people were asking how Mr. White got the money.

You know, hate to disagree with the mighty Harmsway, but I think I remember this shot.

Did you see the movie on film, or digital?

It's possible the shot existed on theatrical prints of the movie, but were taken out on the digital versions (or vice versa). I remember in my THX/Star Wars days there were MANY differences between the film prints and digital versions. George could screw with the digital versions right up to the end, but prints took weeks to make and had to be locked. (The Digital versions are what's on the DVDs now, btw.) There were even differences in film prints made a different times. For example, the first prints of The Phantom Meance did not have the shot of Darth Maul breaking in half as he falls into the shaft. That shot was just not there. No doubt, some people saw this "version."

[DaveBond21]

Now I don't know if I am going mad or not!

That is the first time I've read someone agree with me on that shot, but most people seem to think it's not there. It wasn't on the DVD when I watched it last night (I don't think).

[zencat]

Now I don't know if I am going mad or not!

That is the first time I've read someone agree with me on that shot, but most people seem to think it's not there. It wasn't on the DVD when I watched it last night (I don't think).

Athena007 needs to check in here. She saw it 7 times, including 3 times with me.

BTW, one viewing for me was digital, two were film. All were different theaters.

[Athena007]

Here I am...

POISONED MARTINI -- There is a close up shot of the martini glasses on the tray as it sits on the bar (end of dvd scene 18) as it's being poisoned. This is a fantastic shot but...
Theatrical: There was indeed a shot of the tray as it traveled across the room from the bar to the card table. I remember it quite clearly.
US DVD: It's not there!

MR WHITE RETRIEVING BRIEFCASE -- There is a shot white Bond has Vesper on the roof and as he's holding her the camera pans back and we see Mr White looking at them, he turns to walk away and the camera pans down to reveal he's holding the briefcase. (end of DVD scene 27). As for Mr White actually picking up the briefcase out of the water... I'm not sure that was there only because of the pan down to reveal the briefcase during that shot I just described. You wouldn't think they would make that shot a reveal if they'd already shown him take the case out of the water. There might have been a clip of him inside the falling building as the briefcase floated on the water though.

BOND TIPPING DRINK OUT THAT MATHIS GAVE HIM -- I don't remember him tipping it out. And in the long shot on the DVD at the end of that scene where Mathis is dragged off you can still tell that he's holding the glass.

[DaveBond21]

POISONED MARTINI -- There is a close up shot of the martini glasses on the tray as it sits on the bar (end of dvd scene 18) as it's being poisoned. This is a fantastic shot but...
Theatrical: There was indeed a shot of the tray as it traveled across the room from the bar to the card table. I remember it quite clearly.
US DVD: It's not there!

Yay, thanks, Athena, I really missed that shot on the DVD, it should have stayed in. Why would they cut it?

[DaveBond21]

I've just thought of another potential missing scene - was Bond and Vesper's underwater kiss cut from the DVD?

[Harmsway]

Did you see the movie on film, or digital?

Both.

It's possible the shot existed on theatrical prints of the movie, but were taken out on the digital versions (or vice versa).

Fair enough, but why would they cut something like that?

It describes it similar to the way you remember it in the December script - is it possible you're projecting what you pictured when you read the screenplay on what was actually displayed in the film?

I've just thought of another potential missing scene - was Bond and Vesper's underwater kiss cut from the DVD?

No. I'm very certain of that. Before the film, there was all sorts of talk about the kiss (because it was written in the script that way, as a TOMORROW NEVER DIES-like moment), so that's something that it would have been very easy to picture and imagine as reality.

But I distinctly remember that scene as it plays on the DVD, with her kissing his hands, and nothing else. And how would they have kissed between those narrow bars of the elevator cage, anyhow?

[DaveBond21]

Yes, the hand kiss, duh!!!!!

It's not on my region 4 one, and her death is shorter. Slaps forehead.


Hey, while you're here, what did you think of Diana Rigg's cameo in Extras? It's a 2-minute clip.

If she is one of your favourite Bond girls and you're worried that watching her in a comedy clip might ruin OHMSS for you I will understand.

[Harmsway]

Yes, the hand kiss, duh!!!!!

It's not on my region 4 one, and her death is shorter. Slaps forehead.

The hand kiss isn't on your Region 4 DVD? It's on my Region 1 DVD...

Hey, while you're here, what did you think of Diana Rigg's cameo in Extras? It's a 2-minute clip.

If she is one of your favourite Bond girls and you're worried that watching her in a comedy clip might ruin OHMSS for you I will understand.

Haven't gotten around to watching it...

[DaveBond21]

Haven't gotten around to watching it...

Oh, you little tease. Are you saving it up for a rainy day or are you scared?

[stamper]

Bond indeed spilled out the drink. I vividly remember it.

[DaveBond21]

Bond indeed spilled out the drink. I vividly remember it.

Shhhh...!!!

Don't tell Harmsway, he'll get cross again.

[Harmsway]

Bond indeed spilled out the drink. I vividly remember it.

Actually, that's one I'm not so sure is incorrect. I "remember" Bond tossing it out, but at the same time, I'm very distrustful of my memory as to such specific details. They're very easy to get mixed up, and there's plenty of a time where I could have sworn a detail in a movie was a certain way, but it wasn't that way when I rewatched it.

[DaveBond21]

I think he likes you.

[Harmsway]

I think whenever we're discussing this, we have to be clear about our nation of origin, though. I'm just debating the US Theatrical Cut.

It's possible that other nations may have had slightly different edits.

[DaveBond21]

The Chinese version has apparently edited all kissing from the theatrical and DVD releases!

[Judo chop]

Something foul is afoot. I think there are at least 007 different versions of the film out there. There is something I

[DamnCoffee]

I have the script, he dosen't say "Dont ever do that again" it's just a plain "Ow!"

[Judo chop]

Everybody listen up! I have strong evidence to believe that mharkin is ONE OF THEM!

BEWARE!!!




ugh. this is too much. i feel sick.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

I was certain in the cinema, there was a shot of Mr White retrieving the briefcase of money from the water in Venice. But it was gone last night on the DVD.

Are you sure?

[morlandspecial]

What is different between the US and UK DVD's? In the UK DVD I know that the brief shot of Le Chiffre dropping the rope on Bond and saying "such a waste!" has been removed.

I have also seen this:



Where people are saying it's different to the US DVD version? How? This seems exactly how it is in the UK version. Any help appreciated .

I may buy the US DVD at some point because I am sick and tired of having my films messed about with for the ridiculous and annoying UK censors.

[MicroGlobeOne]

At the end of the scene where Mathis is carted off, I could have sworn that in the theatrical version (and I saw it in the theatre three times) Bond tips out the drink that Mathis gave him, which he doesn't do on the DVD version.

Indeed, this never occurred. There was never a shot in which Bond empties the drink handed to him by Mathis. I recall being rather preoccupied with this scene during those times that I watched Casino Royale in the theaters. This is a pivotal sequence because the revelation of Mathis's betrayal, like Vesper's betrayal, has a distinct effect on Bond's development--whether that revelation is true or false. What's fascinating is that the filmmakers never tip their hand in this regard; we are never offered any insight to indicate whether or not Mathis is a double-agent. If the film were to show Bond tossing out the drink, or if the film were to depict Bond consuming the beverage, then our understanding of the situation would be skewed. As it stand now, we've absolutely no way of being certain.

[Ouroboros]

When the bug gets planted in Bond's arm, all he ever said in the version I saw (here in the US), was "Ow."

HOWEVER, I distinctly recall several people on here discussing how Bond's "Ow" clearly meant "Don't ever do that again, or I will kill you."

I'm starting to wonder if perhaps the obssessive forum analysis we Bondians have been involved in is starting to build in our minds some sort of simulacrum Casino Royale, complete with arty shots, underwater kisses, dumped drinks, and threatening lines.

[Head of S]

THE BUG - Bond only ever said, "ow."

THE MARTINI - There is a close-up of Valenka's hands as she puts the poison into Bond's martini glass - the one with the lemon peel. We then see the waitress (wearing red) take the tray from the bar over to the poker table where she gives Bond his glass. This scene was in the theatrical prints and is on the Region 2 DVD.

MATHIS' MEDICINE - Bond does not pour it out. The long-shot at the end of this scene shows that Bond is still holding the plastic cup.

THE BRIEFCASE - There is no shot of Mr White taking the case out of the water. There is an earlier shot of the case floating in the water just after Gettler loses it. When we see Mr White there is, as Athena007 states, the reveal of Mr White walking away with the case.